Typical single issues Republican voter. ACA has as much probability of being overturned as Roe v Wade.Jay wrote:
Right, because I don't want another Sotomayor or Kagan on the bench. I'm not a fan of judicial restraint when it's used to expand the scope of the government and curtail civil liberties.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:
I'd vote for Trump just to see Obamacare go away
Single issue voter? I guess. Supreme court nominations are really the only permanent legacy a president has. It's a rather important issue.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Typical single issues Republican voter. ACA has as much probability of being overturned as Roe v Wade.Jay wrote:
Right, because I don't want another Sotomayor or Kagan on the bench. I'm not a fan of judicial restraint when it's used to expand the scope of the government and curtail civil liberties.SuperJail Warden wrote:
I doubt R v W would ever be overturned, given SCOTUS' broad reading of equal protection clauses.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Typical single issues Republican voter. ACA has as much probability of being overturned as Roe v Wade.Jay wrote:
Right, because I don't want another Sotomayor or Kagan on the bench. I'm not a fan of judicial restraint when it's used to expand the scope of the government and curtail civil liberties.SuperJail Warden wrote:
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That last part is a bit hard, medical privacy and all. There are a lot of issues involved especially when there are issues of domestic violence.War Man wrote:
Be nice if the Republicans would fight for men to have a voice in the matter instead of trying to fight to make abortion illegal.
Trying to remove bullshit such as a woman aborting the baby without the father even knowing of the pregnancy is an easier battle to win.
And what happens when sadistic assholes force the woman to carry it to term and then abandon it? It's easy for someone who hasn't seen how badly pregnancy messes up the woman's body to say that someone else should decide that she must carry to term. The reality is that it always has to be the woman's decision. If the father really wants the child he needs to put a ring on her finger and commit to the long haul.War Man wrote:
Be nice if the Republicans would fight for men to have a voice in the matter instead of trying to fight to make abortion illegal.
Trying to remove bullshit such as a woman aborting the baby without the father even knowing of the pregnancy is an easier battle to win.
Yes, exactly.Cybargs wrote:
If the woman wants to abort, there are serious issues within the relationship in the first place.
Obviously when both parties want to abort there's no issue. But if the male is insistent on keeping the child yet the woman doesn't, I would generally say there are 'issues'.uziq wrote:
is that really true? i think plenty of human beings have relationships without necessarily wanting the life-long commitment of a kid. the pregnancy comes along as a mistake and there are ways to deal with mistakes that don't have life-long consequences implying 21 years of commitment to the person you just done goofed with. if i was with a girl, unmarried, for anything up to the first 5 years of a stable relationship... i would want to abort more than i would want to keep it. that just seems sensible to me, not like the relationship is 'fundamentally flawed'.
do you guys always hook up with girls or take them as girlfriends intending to have 2.4 children and a patch of alfalfa?
I don't think there is an arbitrary cutoff time where a woman could/should write off the pregnancy. It's all relative based on age, stability etc. When you're 22? Yeah, sure. When you're 30? Not so much. Every situation is unique.uziq wrote:
is that really true? i think plenty of human beings have relationships without necessarily wanting the life-long commitment of a kid. the pregnancy comes along as a mistake and there are ways to deal with mistakes that don't have life-long consequences implying 21 years of commitment to the person you just done goofed with. if i was with a girl, unmarried, for anything up to the first 5 years of a stable relationship... i would want to abort more than i would want to keep it. that just seems sensible to me, not like the relationship is 'fundamentally flawed'.
do you guys always hook up with girls or take them as girlfriends intending to have 2.4 children and a patch of alfalfa?
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Nah. I think that would make society worse off and exacerbate the single parent crisis.DrunkFace wrote:
Men should have no (legal) say in what a women wants to do with their pregnancy. What they should have is an option to opt out of all rights and responsibilities.
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Refuses?? You honestly believe you have any right to marry a women they have any obligation to get married because of a pregnancy?2. If the woman wants to have the child but refuses to marry the father or at least have him involved, then the father has the right to opt out of out of all rights and responsibilities.
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american politics always boils down to guns, abortions, and minorities.Ty wrote:
Wasn't this thread about the Presidential election?
Not even that, if you do the act you have to accept the possible consequences.DrunkFace wrote:
Men should have no (legal) say in what a women wants to do with their pregnancy. What they should have is an option to opt out of all rights and responsibilities.
A lot of people will hear the story this woman is spinning is and believe it to be truthful. Can someone explain why? Are Trump voters just genuinely stupid?Donald Trump’s spokeswoman blamed the policies of President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for the death of Army Capt. Humayun Khan, despite the fact that Khan died in 2004.
“It was under Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton that changed the rules of engagement that probably cost his life,” spokeswoman Katrina Pierson said in an interview Tuesday with CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer.
Khan died during the presidency of George W. Bush, while Obama was a state senator in Illinois.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/t … z4GIFZ6BIL
Trump voters don't trust the "mainstream media" and won't see the other side of it. I'm frankly tired of the incessant "look how awful trump is today!" articles myself and I'm not even voting for the guy.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Back to the election.A lot of people will hear the story this woman is spinning is and believe it to be truthful. Can someone explain why? Are Trump voters just genuinely stupid?Donald Trump’s spokeswoman blamed the policies of President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for the death of Army Capt. Humayun Khan, despite the fact that Khan died in 2004.
“It was under Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton that changed the rules of engagement that probably cost his life,” spokeswoman Katrina Pierson said in an interview Tuesday with CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer.
Khan died during the presidency of George W. Bush, while Obama was a state senator in Illinois.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/t … z4GIFZ6BIL
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