Presidential Election 2016

2017-01-20 14:18:36

#2651

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
The Russian military forced the police and soldiers to hand over their weapons and occupied all the government outpost. They then had a sham election under armed watch while the Tarter population abstained.

You are a dope if you think that counts as people exercising self determination. You are carrying water for a dictatorship. The biggest reason for doing so probably stems from your dislike of Obama instead of your respect for Wilson's ideas. He would have outright rejected armed expansion.

Look, we brought it upon ourselves. We meddled in Ukrainian elections and we attempted to bring them into the EU and NATO. Russia's primary warm water fleet base is in Sevastapol on the Crimean Peninsula, so we created a direct threat to their national security on multiple fronts. The Obama administration pushed the envelope too far and it backfired. Time to move on.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-01-20 14:25:32

#2652

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3984

Now you are parroting Russian conspiracies. The Ukrainian people protested against their Russian backed president who then ordered security forces to put it down. The CIA did not force the protesters to go out onto the streets. There wasn't some conspiracy. Ukraine wanted the same economic progress people in Poland were getting through EU cooperation. Russian couldn't let that happen because they want the rest of Europe to be as miserable as they are.

Next you are going to tell me Obama started the Arab Spring and started the Libyan and Syrian civil wars.

2017-01-20 14:29:55

#2653

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

Believe what you want

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-01-20 14:32:26

#2654

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7040|Moscow, Russia

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/ … exclusive/

Obama wrote:
"we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine"

Conspiracy, may ass.

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2017-01-20 15:19:55

#2655

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6418|what

He's still got it!

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2017-01-20 16:50:36

#2656

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3984

https://gfycat.com/PastelLonelyKoi

hahaha

2017-01-20 16:58:15

#2657

pirana6: Go Cougs!; +692|6555|Washington St.

I chuckled. That guy is having a good day, but he's gonna be on the internet forever now acting like an asshole, who knows how that will end up affecting his future.

2017-01-20 17:33:38

#2658

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3984

Alt Right Neo Nazi got punched by anti-fa on T.V.

2017-01-20 17:46:43

#2659

pirana6: Go Cougs!; +692|6555|Washington St.

I agree with punching him over the haircut only.

Otherwise arrest the puncher for assault and lets all go back to our daily lives.

2017-01-20 22:11:10

#2660

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6371|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
I'll concede that the second Iraq invasion had a flawed premise and we shouldn't have been there.

Thank you.
I'd say both were fairly dumb TBH.

Fuck Israel

2017-01-21 03:08:26

#2661

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

pirana6 wrote:
I agree with punching him over the haircut only.

Otherwise arrest the puncher for assault and lets all go back to our daily lives.

I don't care how foul you think someone's beliefs are, running up to them and punching them in the face (as a masked coward, no less) isn't how you improve the world. IIRC the Nazis didn't come to power in a vacuum, it was largely in response to ordinary people getting fed up with communists and anarchists rioting constantly. Hell, I want to be out there swinging a Billy club on them and I hate Spencer and his beliefs as much as they do.

Last edited by Jay (2017-01-21 03:08:42)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-01-21 06:37:42

#2662

uziq: Member; +498|3717

Jay wrote:
pirana6 wrote:
I agree with punching him over the haircut only.

Otherwise arrest the puncher for assault and lets all go back to our daily lives.
I don't care how foul you think someone's beliefs are, running up to them and punching them in the face (as a masked coward, no less) isn't how you improve the world. IIRC the Nazis didn't come to power in a vacuum, it was largely in response to ordinary people getting fed up with communists and anarchists rioting constantly. Hell, I want to be out there swinging a Billy club on them and I hate Spencer and his beliefs as much as they do.

your readings are getting more and more bizarre. people did NOT support the nazi party because anarchists and communists were ruining the show. i'm willing to bet you haven't read a single book in your fucking life on the weimar republic.

2017-01-21 07:13:43

#2663

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

uziq wrote:
Jay wrote:
pirana6 wrote:
I agree with punching him over the haircut only.

Otherwise arrest the puncher for assault and lets all go back to our daily lives.
I don't care how foul you think someone's beliefs are, running up to them and punching them in the face (as a masked coward, no less) isn't how you improve the world. IIRC the Nazis didn't come to power in a vacuum, it was largely in response to ordinary people getting fed up with communists and anarchists rioting constantly. Hell, I want to be out there swinging a Billy club on them and I hate Spencer and his beliefs as much as they do.
your readings are getting more and more bizarre. people did NOT support the nazi party because anarchists and communists were ruining the show. i'm willing to bet you haven't read a single book in your fucking life on the weimar republic.

He was empowered by Hindenburg because labor unions were running amuck and shutting down the country. There's a reason that the first thing he did was throw the communist and labor leaders in prison: it was popular.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-01-21 07:14:31

#2664

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

Here: http://isj.org.uk/divided-they-fell-the … of-hitler/

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-01-21 07:21:00

#2665

uziq: Member; +498|3717

Jay wrote:
uziq wrote:
Jay wrote:

I don't care how foul you think someone's beliefs are, running up to them and punching them in the face (as a masked coward, no less) isn't how you improve the world. IIRC the Nazis didn't come to power in a vacuum, it was largely in response to ordinary people getting fed up with communists and anarchists rioting constantly. Hell, I want to be out there swinging a Billy club on them and I hate Spencer and his beliefs as much as they do.
your readings are getting more and more bizarre. people did NOT support the nazi party because anarchists and communists were ruining the show. i'm willing to bet you haven't read a single book in your fucking life on the weimar republic.
He was empowered by Hindenburg because labor unions were running amuck and shutting down the country. There's a reason that the first thing he did was throw the communist and labor leaders in prison: it was popular.

the great depression: "labour leaders running amuck".

ok

2017-01-21 09:03:18

#2666

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3984

One of the guy's political positions is "peaceful" ethnic cleansing. Violently opposing someone advocating and working towards extreme violence doesn't seem unreasonable. Because we all know how Nazi's respect other people's rights.

2017-01-21 09:41:10

#2667

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

Their only path to power is if people feel unsafe, whether it be from a poor economy, or racial tension, or a portion of society that is always agitating and rioting at the drop of a hat. They're called right wing reactionaries, right? They're reacting against some other persons action. The lawlessness of anarchists like we saw in DC yesterday is exactly how they get people to listen to them. You see a douche bag getting punched, but your average tv viewer sees a guy dressed like a thug with a mask on punching someone in the face. Not a good look. I'm terrified that the left's reaction to the election is going to push conservatives towards clamping down on free speech and protesting. No one wins then.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-01-21 09:51:41

#2668

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6974|England. Stoke

Jay wrote:
Here: http://isj.org.uk/divided-they-fell-the … of-hitler/

Good source

2017-01-21 10:30:51

#2669

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

coke wrote:
Jay wrote:
Here: http://isj.org.uk/divided-they-fell-the … of-hitler/
Good source

First hit

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-01-21 10:34:45

#2670

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +796|6949|United States of America

Jay wrote:
Their only path to power is if people feel unsafe, whether it be from a poor economy, or racial tension, or a portion of society that is always agitating and rioting at the drop of a hat. They're called right wing reactionaries, right? They're reacting against some other persons action. The lawlessness of anarchists like we saw in DC yesterday is exactly how they get people to listen to them. You see a douche bag getting punched, but your average tv viewer sees a guy dressed like a thug with a mask on punching someone in the face. Not a good look. I'm terrified that the left's reaction to the election is going to push conservatives towards clamping down on free speech and protesting. No one wins then.

So it would be the fault of "the left" for "push[ing] conservatives towards clamping down on free speech and protesting", rather than those conservatives who decide to abolish two things guaranteed in the Bill of Rights? Conservatives already have a mass media arm to rile up their voters with scaremongering of wars on police, Sharia law immigrants supplanting our justice system, unfounded claims of voter fraud, and so on. They don't even need the left to actually do anything to make white people uncomfortable.

2017-01-21 10:46:38

#2671

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5623|London, England

DesertFox- wrote:
Jay wrote:
Their only path to power is if people feel unsafe, whether it be from a poor economy, or racial tension, or a portion of society that is always agitating and rioting at the drop of a hat. They're called right wing reactionaries, right? They're reacting against some other persons action. The lawlessness of anarchists like we saw in DC yesterday is exactly how they get people to listen to them. You see a douche bag getting punched, but your average tv viewer sees a guy dressed like a thug with a mask on punching someone in the face. Not a good look. I'm terrified that the left's reaction to the election is going to push conservatives towards clamping down on free speech and protesting. No one wins then.
So it would be the fault of "the left" for "push[ing] conservatives towards clamping down on free speech and protesting", rather than those conservatives who decide to abolish two things guaranteed in the Bill of Rights? Conservatives already have a mass media arm to rile up their voters with scaremongering of wars on police, Sharia law immigrants supplanting our justice system, unfounded claims of voter fraud, and so on. They don't even need the left to actually do anything to make white people uncomfortable.

Most people are in the middle. They're not left or right, they generally want to feel safe and to be left alone as much as possible. If the right tried to clamp down on free speech without cause there would be tremendous push back (I hope anyway). So yes, I'm saying to accept the election results and pick your battles for resisting. No one wants to see 20-something ne'erdowells out protesting every time the wind blows. Constant BLM protesting and pipeline protesting and wall street protesting and... people are tired of it, they're not going to win hearts and minds by doubling down on it.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2017-01-21 11:49:56

#2672

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +796|6949|United States of America

I concur that people have only so much attention to give and would further agree with you if there were, say, a protest for _______, every weekend, but that is not the case. Nothing today struck me as not accepting the election results, but as a warning against the new administration trying to do some of its crazier ideas. It's more of a "we're here and we're watching" than anything else.

I am confused with you conflating those rioting with protestors though. The people smashing shop fronts in DC were out clearly there to do ill, wearing masks and such things. Todays marchers aren't hiding their faces and have had these events planned for weeks. I don't disagree that people will tire of protests if they spring up at every turn, but I would argue that many people (likely myself included) aren't exactly tuned in enough to be aware of the things we should rightly get angry about. Not paying attention to what's happening in our country and zoning out is probably not the sort of citizenship the Founders envisioned.

2017-01-23 09:00:39

#2673

uziq: Member; +498|3717

kellyanne conway looks skeevy as fuck. she looks like she should be trying to find small nuggets of leftover crack in the lint of a faded carpet, not in federal government.

2017-01-23 15:39:49

#2674

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3984

You know how in a lot of fiction there is the trope that if you are an evil person your physical appearance will degrade and you become as ugly outside as within? Kellyanne is sort of like that in real life.

2017-01-23 17:42:49

#2675

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +796|6949|United States of America

So apparently my parents are the most easily subdued people in the world. In a vaguely political discussion, my mom began to question what's the point of even protesting and everyone should just suck it up and get behind him because "we live in a democracy and the people voted" (which in the past 16 years, isn't the best argument to make). When I began to challenge her why we should make it easy for Trump to move towards aims we find objectionable, she began to yell that I was picking on her and my dad, no joke, yelled "this is really upsetting me!" Fuckin' baby boomer snowflakes.

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