lol, makes claims you can't back up yet still wants to be seen as having a relevant, accurate point to make. You're just parroting whatever soundbyte you like most.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'll find something when I can be bothered. I have pointed out that $500/wk will give anyone a pretty comfortable life if they choose it, not a family obviously but your average 20-30 something feral can live very nicely.Jaekus wrote:
You're still talking from your shitty beliefs and haven't actually presented any fact *yawn*
seeing as we're playing 'the iron law of anecdotes' game, i will add that i don't know a single person in my age bracket (20–30) who sits in a state-paid house all day claiming benefits and being perfectly content. young people want jobs, they want careers, they want relationships, they may even want silly material things and expensive clothes and fast-cars and other follies. i don't know a single 24 year old who collects a cheque and sits at home all month being perfectly happy. are my anecdotes better because i'm closer to the age bracket? i'm not sure how this game works.
i think the stereotypical image of a benefits scrounger in this country is more like a 40+ individual who has dropped out of the workforce because of some minor, prior injury and has lost the motivation. problematic drug use creeps in to fill the existential ennui and purposelessness. i don't see young people taking it up as a lifestyle choice.
i think the stereotypical image of a benefits scrounger in this country is more like a 40+ individual who has dropped out of the workforce because of some minor, prior injury and has lost the motivation. problematic drug use creeps in to fill the existential ennui and purposelessness. i don't see young people taking it up as a lifestyle choice.
Its not a soundbite, its simple maths based on the figure you provided.Jaekus wrote:
lol, makes claims you can't back up yet still wants to be seen as having a relevant, accurate point to make. You're just parroting whatever soundbyte you like most.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'll find something when I can be bothered. I have pointed out that $500/wk will give anyone a pretty comfortable life if they choose it, not a family obviously but your average 20-30 something feral can live very nicely.Jaekus wrote:
You're still talking from your shitty beliefs and haven't actually presented any fact *yawn*
As Jay points out, work for $600 a week and be taxed on it, or do nothing and get $500/wk tax free and a free house.
Its not a hard calculation.
If we're talking anecdotes:
I know various employers, people who make hiring decisions etc who are very familiar with a particular underclass which has no appetite for work.
They get put into jobs through various govt schemes and typically last less than a week.
I talked to one guy who said it was a consistent pattern. The company would agree to take on an unemployed, usually at no cost to the company.
Monday - they'd turn up an hour late and groggy, be unable to learn anything let alone work.
Tuesday - they'd turn up two hours late, stagger around a bit and have to leave early
Wednesday - they'd phone in "this shit is doing my fucking head in, I'm not coming in fuck off"
My sister had one, who showed up an hour late on day one, said he was going out to get a coffee and was not seen again.
In our street we have a doss-house with a stream of tenants who don't work, sleep all day and occasionally go into town to busk or beg.
They do seem to have the energy to party from 2pm on a Saturday afternoon through to 6pm on the Sunday though.
People like this have figured out that breeding kids is a terrific source of extra income
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nation … e82f220cde
In the past these people would not get dole and would have to take a labouring job. The labouring jobs are gone, the community is awash with drugs, dole is over-generous, its not a great combination.
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As a university graduate I'll guess you don't socialise with people who failed to finish school.uziq wrote:
seeing as we're playing 'the iron law of anecdotes' game, i will add that i don't know a single person in my age bracket (20–30) who sits in a state-paid house all day claiming benefits and being perfectly content. young people want jobs, they want careers, they want relationships, they may even want silly material things and expensive clothes and fast-cars and other follies. i don't know a single 24 year old who collects a cheque and sits at home all month being perfectly happy. are my anecdotes better because i'm closer to the age bracket? i'm not sure how this game works..
And yes I knew a few Henriettas who decided getting pregnant at the first opportunity, ditching the bloke and never working was the lifestyle for them.
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0 to $18,200 NilJay wrote:
And get taxed at what rate?Cybargs wrote:
increments by age as well.Jay wrote:
What is your minimum wage?
most waitress/bartenders makes 23 an hour aussie.
$18,201 to $37,000 19c for each $1 over $18,200
Minimum wage is $17.70 per hour or $672.70 per 38 hour week (before tax). Which includes 4 weeks paid vacation.
Casual employees also get at least a 25 per cent casual loading. But no paid leave.
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So when you take into account housing costs it actually pays more to sit on your ass than to work for the minimum.DrunkFace wrote:
0 to $18,200 NilJay wrote:
And get taxed at what rate?Cybargs wrote:
increments by age as well.
most waitress/bartenders makes 23 an hour aussie.
$18,201 to $37,000 19c for each $1 over $18,200
Minimum wage is $17.70 per hour or $672.70 per 38 hour week (before tax). Which includes 4 weeks paid vacation.
Casual employees also get at least a 25 per cent casual loading. But no paid leave.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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Well no one works for minimum wage, but even if they did, its not even close.
Newstart Allowance was $528.70 per fortnight for single people, or $477.40 each for a couple, Recipients who rent privately are also eligible for Rent Assistance which could be up to $124.00 per fortnight for a single person and $116.60 for a couple.
Newstart Allowance was $528.70 per fortnight for single people, or $477.40 each for a couple, Recipients who rent privately are also eligible for Rent Assistance which could be up to $124.00 per fortnight for a single person and $116.60 for a couple.
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no it doesnt.Jay wrote:
So when you take into account housing costs it actually pays more to sit on your ass than to work for the minimum.DrunkFace wrote:
0 to $18,200 NilJay wrote:
And get taxed at what rate?
$18,201 to $37,000 19c for each $1 over $18,200
Minimum wage is $17.70 per hour or $672.70 per 38 hour week (before tax). Which includes 4 weeks paid vacation.
Casual employees also get at least a 25 per cent casual loading. But no paid leave.
talking out of your ass again.
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It is pretty sad that a jobless welfare case in Australia still has a better quality of life than most of the American working poor.
I am not criticize Australia's welfare system. Just talking about how bad our everything system is here.
I am not criticize Australia's welfare system. Just talking about how bad our everything system is here.
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Doesn't contemplation of the next century make this whole left vs. right vs. con vs. lib thing a bore? No matter who rolls the dice it's coming up snake-eyes.
I was going off the numbers dilbert was using. If they were correct, it would pay more to stay home.Cybargs wrote:
no it doesnt.Jay wrote:
So when you take into account housing costs it actually pays more to sit on your ass than to work for the minimum.DrunkFace wrote:
0 to $18,200 Nil
$18,201 to $37,000 19c for each $1 over $18,200
Minimum wage is $17.70 per hour or $672.70 per 38 hour week (before tax). Which includes 4 weeks paid vacation.
Casual employees also get at least a 25 per cent casual loading. But no paid leave.
talking out of your ass again.
We have a similar issue called the welfare cliff where it pays more to stay home than to make certain income levels:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/ … 0cliff.jpg
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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We could close the welfare trap just a little if we made healthcare universal. Losing your Medicaid or ACA subsidies is a big concern for the poor.
Free house? You're wrong there. First error. And this is my first read through this, lolDilbert_X wrote:
Its not a soundbite, its simple maths based on the figure you provided.Jaekus wrote:
lol, makes claims you can't back up yet still wants to be seen as having a relevant, accurate point to make. You're just parroting whatever soundbyte you like most.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'll find something when I can be bothered. I have pointed out that $500/wk will give anyone a pretty comfortable life if they choose it, not a family obviously but your average 20-30 something feral can live very nicely.
As Jay points out, work for $600 a week and be taxed on it, or do nothing and get $500/wk tax free and a free house.
And yet you got it wrong. Why I'm wasting my time on someone who can't research or do simple maths...Its not a hard calculation.
We weren't, but hey, whilst you're riding that train of stupidity...If we're talking anecdotes:
Considering up till now your arguments and 'facts' have both been flawed, it's a really long stretch to take any of your anecdotes seriously.I know various employers, people who make hiring decisions etc who are very familiar with a particular underclass which has no appetite for work.
They get put into jobs through various govt schemes and typically last less than a week.
I talked to one guy who said it was a consistent pattern. The company would agree to take on an unemployed, usually at no cost to the company.
Monday - they'd turn up an hour late and groggy, be unable to learn anything let alone work.
Tuesday - they'd turn up two hours late, stagger around a bit and have to leave early
Wednesday - they'd phone in "this shit is doing my fucking head in, I'm not coming in fuck off"
My sister had one, who showed up an hour late on day one, said he was going out to get a coffee and was not seen again.
In our street we have a doss-house with a stream of tenants who don't work, sleep all day and occasionally go into town to busk or beg.
They do seem to have the energy to party from 2pm on a Saturday afternoon through to 6pm on the Sunday though.
Seriously
And you finish with a link to Murdoch media.People like this have figured out that breeding kids is a terrific source of extra income
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nation … e82f220cde
In the past these people would not get dole and would have to take a labouring job. The labouring jobs are gone, the community is awash with drugs, dole is over-generous, its not a great combination.
You're a joke.
LOL at them thinking people on welfare get a free house. So. Fucking. Dumb.Cybargs wrote:
no it doesnt.Jay wrote:
So when you take into account housing costs it actually pays more to sit on your ass than to work for the minimum.DrunkFace wrote:
0 to $18,200 Nil
$18,201 to $37,000 19c for each $1 over $18,200
Minimum wage is $17.70 per hour or $672.70 per 38 hour week (before tax). Which includes 4 weeks paid vacation.
Casual employees also get at least a 25 per cent casual loading. But no paid leave.
talking out of your ass again.
$17.70Dilbert_X wrote:
~$15/hrJay wrote:
What is your minimum wage?
And don't bother me with the "its too high and creates unemployment" argument.
If you're on the internet at least look it up ffs. How you hold down a job is amazing.
People on welfare aren't far off getting a free house.
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/housing/pu … er-charges
25% of assessable income max rent. Seems pretty close to free if you're on the dole.
The people who can't get free accommodation are usually the ones who've trashed what they've been given before.
Daily Mail is waaay better than Murdoch
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … uburb.html
And its really not that unusual. The house opposite us had to be demolished after housos had been in it for six months.
But hey they were hardworking people who just wanted a job.
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/housing/pu … er-charges
25% of assessable income max rent. Seems pretty close to free if you're on the dole.
The people who can't get free accommodation are usually the ones who've trashed what they've been given before.
What did I get wrong? The only thing I did wrong was use your figure of $26,000. $528x52/2 = $13728/yr, not $26,000.And yet you got it wrong. Why I'm wasting my time on someone who can't research or do simple maths...
It did really happen. Would you like some other media?And you finish with a link to Murdoch media.
Daily Mail is waaay better than Murdoch
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … uburb.html
And its really not that unusual. The house opposite us had to be demolished after housos had been in it for six months.
But hey they were hardworking people who just wanted a job.
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Minimum wage is $611 a week after tax. That's $110 more a week than the dole. And do you know how long the waiting list is for community housing? Really, you haven't a clue. It's more than five years, and that's for people on a DSP.
Rather than googling tabloid media you could've just googled the actual information. And one house is your argument? So flimsy.
Keep floundering, it's amusing.
Rather than googling tabloid media you could've just googled the actual information. And one house is your argument? So flimsy.
Keep floundering, it's amusing.
I mean, you make it sound like people just get the dole and immediately get social housing. I've worked firsthand with people with chronic, debilitating mental illness and even classed as priority they have waited over seven years for a place to live. And this isn't some anecdote from a boss's friend's sister, this is my actual experience working with people and their wider support network professionals in the same field.
ehhh not really in aus.Jay wrote:
I was going off the numbers dilbert was using. If they were correct, it would pay more to stay home.Cybargs wrote:
no it doesnt.Jay wrote:
So when you take into account housing costs it actually pays more to sit on your ass than to work for the minimum.
talking out of your ass again.
We have a similar issue called the welfare cliff where it pays more to stay home than to make certain income levels:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/ … 0cliff.jpg
There is an issue with welfare being cut drastically after you earn a certain income. Taxes won't be the thing that kills you but welfare cut will. It pays the best to qualify for welfare and being able to work certain hours.
Social housing is such a mess that 1) you don't want to live in those areas and 2) there's a huge waiting list.
You realise all welfare payments are part of the taxable income lol...
I can see my arguments are being buried by fake news, don't worry, Corey Bernardi will make Australia great again and put the bludgers to work
FWP: I'm thinking seriously about a Toyota Camry. I think that's the final nail in the coffin of my dismal life.
FWP: I'm thinking seriously about a Toyota Camry. I think that's the final nail in the coffin of my dismal life.
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First World problem: there are fat people everywhere.
I watched a fat couple give a presentation today. It was awful to look at.
It is really stupid to date a fat person. Fat people are untrustworthy. They will betray their bodies, they will betray you.
I watched a fat couple give a presentation today. It was awful to look at.
It is really stupid to date a fat person. Fat people are untrustworthy. They will betray their bodies, they will betray you.
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Take job in London or go to Hawaii to be with girl?
I touched a fat girls arm in a bar once, I can't go back there.
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I've been a skinny piece of crap all my life, but it is terrifying to me to see the old fat guys at work with stomachs that jut out and create a ledge above their belts. If nothing else, it spurs me to continue eating relatively healthy things and have some motivation to exercise.
Who's offered you a job here? Are they sorting your visa out?Superior Mind wrote:
Take job in London or go to Hawaii to be with girl?
Why can't I get someone in LA to do that for me? I'm being head hunted all the time by companies in London but trying to find a US company that would go through the months of hassle to sort my visa out sounds like it'd be impossible and i'm not even muslim
