LSD can permanently mess up your eyesight
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lol. no it cannot permanently mess up your eyesight. stop buffeting dilbert's dumb argument.SuperJail Warden wrote:
LSD can permanently mess up your eyesight
all hallucinogens can leave a very tiny number of pre-disposed people with permanent psychoses. one of them is hallucinatory flashbacks and visual interruptions. they are not 'permanently messed up eyesight'. and again, the incidence is infinitesimal. it's like warning people with peanut or caffeine allergies against consuming coffee and snickers.
So LSD use, typically single controlled dose, in a hospital, under the supervision of a doctor is OK? Just the same as it is for morphine?uziq wrote:
derp derp. it's almost like what i said three pages ago: LSD can give you an unpleasant, transient experience, but has no lasting harm.Many reports exist about psychiatric complications following LSD ingestion outside the research setting. The most common unpleasant reaction is an episode of anxiety or panic (with severe, terrifying thoughts and feelings, fear of losing control, fear of insanity or death, and despair)—the “bad trip” [15]. Other complicated reactions may include temporary paranoid ideation and, as after-effects in the days following a LSD experience, temporary depressive mood swings and/or increase of psychic instability [17,61].
Crucially, there is a lack of evidence that other complications will routinely occur or persist in healthy persons taking LSD in a familiar surrounding. Cohen [8], Malleson [9], and Gasser [11] observed approximately 10,000 patients safely treated with LSD as a psycholytic agent. Indeed, past clinical studies with LSD were completed reporting very few if any complications (cf. Table 1).
An extensive number of individuals participated in LSD research, with Passie [2] estimating some 10,000 patients participating in research of the 1950s and 1960s. The incidence of psychotic reactions, suicide attempts, and suicides during treatment with LSD, as noted in Table 1, appears comparable to the rate of complications during conventional psychotherapy.
i've said enough anyway, if a shitload of lancet articles, john hopkins medical research and current scientific literature on the potential health benefits of LSD/mushrooms won't convince you, nothing will. enjoy needing to consume caffeine everyday, you irritable, infertile drug addict.
Does that make recreational use of morphine OK?
You're really stretching.
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you want me to cite authoritative journals on non-controlled tests now? so what, you can rebut me by saying the experiment wasn't controlled? lol gg.
the wisdom for anyone taking these drugs is to do it with friends, in a safe and known environment, with a sitter, etc. if you don't do that, you are at risk of having a bad trip, which is basically a panic attack triggered by unknowns. and it's not in a hospital administered by a doctor like morphine: they give someone a tab of acid in a chillout room with a counsellor or babysitter present. they basically simulate what people have been doing for decades in any case.
again: no physical or mental harm. it's unpleasant, yes, but that's EXACTLY what i said in my first post to finray. you can't count the discomfort and cdihfh of a bad trip as OMG HARM and then discount the studies about loss of bone calcium and fertility in people with moderate caffeine use as negligible. one is literally harm and the other is transient, imagined discomfort.
uncontrolled morphine experiments will kill you. the drug is extremely toxic and extremely addictive. it's almost like you're not reading what i'm saying because you can't concede you're wrong.
the wisdom for anyone taking these drugs is to do it with friends, in a safe and known environment, with a sitter, etc. if you don't do that, you are at risk of having a bad trip, which is basically a panic attack triggered by unknowns. and it's not in a hospital administered by a doctor like morphine: they give someone a tab of acid in a chillout room with a counsellor or babysitter present. they basically simulate what people have been doing for decades in any case.
again: no physical or mental harm. it's unpleasant, yes, but that's EXACTLY what i said in my first post to finray. you can't count the discomfort and cdihfh of a bad trip as OMG HARM and then discount the studies about loss of bone calcium and fertility in people with moderate caffeine use as negligible. one is literally harm and the other is transient, imagined discomfort.
uncontrolled morphine experiments will kill you. the drug is extremely toxic and extremely addictive. it's almost like you're not reading what i'm saying because you can't concede you're wrong.
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i've got nothing else to say now.
evidently the addictive stimulant that affects your cardiovascular system, hijacks your brain's reward and dependence pathways in the prefrontal cortex in a way homologous to cocaine abuse, dumps a bunch of shit in your liver, causes infertility and memory problems, etc. is perfectly harmless.
the psychedelic that causes a temporary disturbance of ordinary consciousness and then abates with no physiological tax is far worse. far worse because a small number of people with pre-existing mental health problems struggle with an episode of disturbed consciousness.
all the researchers turned towards acid and mushrooms as cures for depression and anxiety are clearly playing with a very very dangerous type of drug. caffeine is harmless and lsd is for mentalist aberrants.
evidently the addictive stimulant that affects your cardiovascular system, hijacks your brain's reward and dependence pathways in the prefrontal cortex in a way homologous to cocaine abuse, dumps a bunch of shit in your liver, causes infertility and memory problems, etc. is perfectly harmless.
the psychedelic that causes a temporary disturbance of ordinary consciousness and then abates with no physiological tax is far worse. far worse because a small number of people with pre-existing mental health problems struggle with an episode of disturbed consciousness.
all the researchers turned towards acid and mushrooms as cures for depression and anxiety are clearly playing with a very very dangerous type of drug. caffeine is harmless and lsd is for mentalist aberrants.
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If you're going to compare carefully controlled single use of LSD with uncontrolled casual use of caffeine then lol gg to you.uziq wrote:
you want me to cite authoritative journals on non-controlled tests now? so what, you can rebut me by saying the experiment wasn't controlled? lol gg.
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you clearly don't understand anything even anecdotally about how people take acid or mushrooms.
'carefully controlled single use'.
very few people even take these drugs more than once. they are not party drugs. they are not once-a-month drugs you play with. people take them, have a few trips in their lives, and put them back in the box.
and besides, what's the WORST CASE SCENARIO in uncontrolled use? these drugs are impossible to overdose on and are PHYSIOLOGICALLY HARMLESS, as all the above literature attests to. the worst case scenario is you have a bad trip and spend a few hours in fear. funny definition of harm you have.
so you'll invoke bad scenarios of people taking lsd/mushrooms in an 'uncontrolled' way. so that discredits the whole drug? does the example of that basketball player who drank 2-3 cans of red bull before a match and died of a massive heart attack on court discredit the entire consumption of caffeine? because caffeine is evidently potentially MORE HARMFUL when you consume it in an uncontrolled way; the consequences are far higher even when you drink 1-2 cups a day more than your regular, normalised amount.
and this is literally what i said to finray a few pages back: lsd/mushrooms give you extreme experiences, they can scare you shitless, but they are harmless as drugs. you are literally arriving back at this argument now: it's all you have left is to restate my original case.
lol. good debate dilbert.
'carefully controlled single use'.
very few people even take these drugs more than once. they are not party drugs. they are not once-a-month drugs you play with. people take them, have a few trips in their lives, and put them back in the box.
and besides, what's the WORST CASE SCENARIO in uncontrolled use? these drugs are impossible to overdose on and are PHYSIOLOGICALLY HARMLESS, as all the above literature attests to. the worst case scenario is you have a bad trip and spend a few hours in fear. funny definition of harm you have.
so you'll invoke bad scenarios of people taking lsd/mushrooms in an 'uncontrolled' way. so that discredits the whole drug? does the example of that basketball player who drank 2-3 cans of red bull before a match and died of a massive heart attack on court discredit the entire consumption of caffeine? because caffeine is evidently potentially MORE HARMFUL when you consume it in an uncontrolled way; the consequences are far higher even when you drink 1-2 cups a day more than your regular, normalised amount.
and this is literally what i said to finray a few pages back: lsd/mushrooms give you extreme experiences, they can scare you shitless, but they are harmless as drugs. you are literally arriving back at this argument now: it's all you have left is to restate my original case.
lol. good debate dilbert.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucino … n_disorderuziq wrote:
lol. no it cannot permanently mess up your eyesight. stop buffeting dilbert's dumb argument.SuperJail Warden wrote:
LSD can permanently mess up your eyesight
all hallucinogens can leave a very tiny number of pre-disposed people with permanent psychoses. one of them is hallucinatory flashbacks and visual interruptions. they are not 'permanently messed up eyesight'. and again, the incidence is infinitesimal. it's like warning people with peanut or caffeine allergies against consuming coffee and snickers.
thanks for linking me to the exact thing i was referring to. it's almost like i don't have wikipedia on my computer.
People jump out of a window or start seeing things and waving knives around?uziq wrote:
and besides, what's the WORST CASE SCENARIO in uncontrolled use?
You know, like you did.
And didn't you end up suicidal and hospitalised after some trip on your super-safe party candy?
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This website is funny. We have invested so much time here with all know each other's most embarrassing life facts. Uzique overdid it with drugs once. Dilbert hires escorts. Jay is a welfare mooch. etc.
i had my single worst drug experience on a stimulant. same class of drug as caffeine, same mental mechanism, same addiction potential. well done! can we assume you know you've lost the argument on how harmless LSD is as a drug now?
'people jump out of a window'. nice to know we've gone back to that cliché. 'someone thinks they can fly!' you do realise this urban myth was spread around during the era when acid was banned ... by a public information tape?
one person an hour dies in a drunk-driving accident. do you avoid alcohol?
'people jump out of a window'. nice to know we've gone back to that cliché. 'someone thinks they can fly!' you do realise this urban myth was spread around during the era when acid was banned ... by a public information tape?
one person an hour dies in a drunk-driving accident. do you avoid alcohol?
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lol dilbert mentions that stuff in a debate as if he's going to cause some sort of argument-tipping humiliation. i wouldn't have posted anything here about my drug use if it was some huge personal sore point for me. i had fun and have continued using drugs responsibly in the intervening years. apparently my reckless behaviour at age 19 invalidates the harms associated with LSD useSuperJail Warden wrote:
This website is funny. We have invested so much time here with all know each other's most embarrassing life facts. Uzique overdid it with drugs once. Dilbert hires escorts. Jay is a welfare mooch. etc.
lol dilbert's argument for the harmfulness of LSD literally has its own snopes page.
as if the leading medical journal, john hopkins university's research, and a bunch of medical papers weren't enough to convince him.
now we have to link to snopes, a site that debunks internet myths.
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/linkletter.asp
as if the leading medical journal, john hopkins university's research, and a bunch of medical papers weren't enough to convince him.
now we have to link to snopes, a site that debunks internet myths.
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/linkletter.asp
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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-Frederick Bastiat
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Dewon Sawa haha
I liked their drug dealer...Mark?
"This is a laserdisc!"
Remember the gossip about a guy you knew who knew another guy who took so much acid he thought he was a glass of orange juice and if he fell over he'd spill and DIE!?
I liked their drug dealer...Mark?
"This is a laserdisc!"
Remember the gossip about a guy you knew who knew another guy who took so much acid he thought he was a glass of orange juice and if he fell over he'd spill and DIE!?
But I'm sure that if you'd been prescribed it by a doctor and been supervised in a hospital you'd have had no trouble at all.uziq wrote:
i had my single worst drug experience on a stimulant. same class of drug as caffeine, same mental mechanism
No, because you still comparing apples and elephants.can we assume you know you've lost the argument on how harmless LSD is as a drug now?
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that one is also on snopes and no doubt dilbert also thinks it's a real reason to avoid it.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Dewon Sawa haha
I liked their drug dealer...Mark?
"This is a laserdisc!"
Remember the gossip about a guy you knew who knew another guy who took so much acid he thought he was a glass of orange juice and if he fell over he'd spill and DIE!?
no, because those drugs are harmful and have lots of terrible physiological effects. acid and mushrooms don't.Dilbert_X wrote:
But I'm sure that if you'd been prescribed it by a doctor and been supervised in a hospital you'd have had no trouble at all.
i think you're the one who is 'stretching' a bit now, don't you?
haven't you learned a lot over these last few pages, dilbert? you should pay me a tip out of courtesy.
everyone i've known that has dabbled in hallucinogens has some variation of that story. It's like it osmosed from the minds of hippies into the acid of future generations
i think it's the fact that it's such a funny story. people do some funny shit on acid. there's a really funny line of doug stanhope's in which he talks about his dog understanding him like no one else.
you could almost say it all sounds pretty ... harmless.
you could almost say it all sounds pretty ... harmless.
So if you're the big expert on neuro-chemistry how did you end up tripping out?uziq wrote:
no, because those drugs are harmful and have lots of terrible physiological effects. acid and mushrooms don't.
Twice?
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I think I could agree with this guy on a few things
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I stood on my buddies front lawn for about four hours staring at a tree and trying to count every vein on every leaf
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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