He's blatantly doing it, on his visit to Iraq on xmas day he said something like "you need those 173 billion, you'll get it, and don't tell anyone, it's 'secret' you''ll get more".Dilbert_X wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Trump is manipulating the market and has some bond trader in his pocket who is making a killing on his behalf.
Never mind Alzheimers, Trump's mind is the product of never being forced to be disciplined or rigourous in any way.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Perhaps it's related to our governments cohesive and all-encompassing economic policy that totally isn't based on how some early-stage alzhiemers old fart feels when he wakes up that day.
"zomg! there's a propaganda war going on out there, who'd have thought?!!?!??!!1one!!eleven!!?!"uziq wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_6dibpDfo
coke wrote:
He's blatantly doing it, on his visit to Iraq on xmas day he said something like "you need those 173 billion, you'll get it, and don't tell anyone, it's 'secret' you''ll get more".Dilbert_X wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Trump is manipulating the market and has some bond trader in his pocket who is making a killing on his behalf.
Insider trading much.
crazy people, thanks to the internet and russia, really think hillary clinton is running a child sex ring from the basement of a pizza shop. we live in crazy times. i never claimed propaganda is surprising or a revelation. normally it’s a little more straight-laced and credible. like russia not shooting down civilian jetliners over ukraine. and not poisoning ex-agents on sovereign soil. amirite?Shahter wrote:
"zomg! there's a propaganda war going on out there, who'd have thought?!!?!??!!1one!!eleven!!?!"uziq wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_6dibpDfo
this is the best pot-kettle thing i've seen recently. awsm.
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because they can post whatever they want with no repercussions.uziq wrote:
why is bellingcat a cough-worthy source?
how do you know that?it's a non-profit organisation with volunteer contributors.
if sources are credible and accountable, and info is verifiable - no.does publishing anything in a media format disqualify all investigation?
the same stuff that should qualify for truth everywhere.i don't know what qualifies for 'truth' in russia
via official government agencies accountable for stuff they post and claims they make.via what method
as you wish. keep chewing on the line of crap you are being fed all you want.or which proof, and i don't think i want to know, either. the mystical-conspiratorial bullshit makes my head hurt.
quotes, please. of an official government agency of a western nation which has been... uhm... "wronged" by russia, communicating to russian counterparts (or international authorities russia recognizes) with accusations and proof. let's see it.also all of the above cases have been attested to by world governments and professional organisations.
you do know that a lot of that shit has been forged, right? oh, you don't? sorry, i forgot - you only chew on whatever gets pushed your way through western media. oh, well.i really hope in a few years when this putin thing is over that the next incumbent does what krushchev did for stalin and releases a bunch of state files or intelligence.
Media organisations across the world makes stuff up all the time don't they?Shahter wrote:
you are totally right. russia did not shoot down civilian airliners over ukraine, did not poison ex-spies on sovereign soil, did not meddle in any elections, did not send troops to support separatists in donbass - did not do anything of the kind, unless it's been proven. and proof requires something a wee bit more substantial than what crazy people are having hammered into them by propaganda in the "civilized" west (or in russia for that matter).
so, have you seen some kinda proof that's not been cooked up by nyt, cnn, theguardian, belling-<cough>-cat or the likes? no? then there's nothing to discuss. good night.
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watDilbert_X wrote:
Media organisations across the world makes stuff up all the time don't they?
https://www.space.com/42902-china-moon- … racks.html
Clearly swamp-gas reflected off a weather balloon distorted into an anti-china story by those maniacs at space.com
stalin a nice guy? no, not really. but he was clearly demonized by historians, yes (some of which were probably jewish, by i don't think that matters).Next you'll be telling us Stalin was a nice guy who has been demonised by jewish historians.
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the bigger bigger bigger issue is that only a tiniest minority of those 325,000,000 gets to put up any candidates at all.Dilbert_X wrote:
The bigger bigger issue is that a nation of 325,000,000 can't put up a single decent candidate.
not really. russia is not different from any other capitalist nation out there, where it's the ruling class that puts candidates up. the only difference between, say, clinton and putin is cultural: russian voters want a strong and authoritative leader, and brain dead liberal americans want a first woman president. the fact of the matter - none of those people, once elected, are really accountable for anything they do in office - as long, of course, as it advances the agenda of those who put them up as candidates.Dilbert_X wrote:
Putin puts up himself.
all fair ponts. but people who, supposedly, did have time to "develop a bourgeois-secular mindset organically" still elect trumps and bolsonaros today. wonder why?uziq wrote:
russian voters want a strong and authoritative leader because they are basically peasants who weren't given proper time to develop a bourgeois-secular mindset like the western countries did organically. putin is like stalin is like nicholas: tsars, gods-on-earth for the orthodox and credulous. funny that you blame capitalism for this problem with the agenda-driven ruling classes. desiring a strongman absolute leader is very fucking pre-capitalist.
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economic depressions always create the same political patterns. i’d rather have a politics that is responsive to the market and expressive of social feelings and unrest than an authoritarian regime that lines the pockets of their family and friends and runs the entire country into ruin.Shahter wrote:
all fair ponts. but people who, supposedly, did have time to "develop a bourgeois-secular mindset organically" still elect trumps and bolsonaros today. wonder why?uziq wrote:
russian voters want a strong and authoritative leader because they are basically peasants who weren't given proper time to develop a bourgeois-secular mindset like the western countries did organically. putin is like stalin is like nicholas: tsars, gods-on-earth for the orthodox and credulous. funny that you blame capitalism for this problem with the agenda-driven ruling classes. desiring a strongman absolute leader is very fucking pre-capitalist.
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