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2020-04-03 09:02:49
Jay
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I feel like you guys aren't making enough of a of deal about the fact that Jay is going out to food places and interacting with others while knowingly sick. He is now advocating getting everyone else sick too.
I already cleared the CDC guidelines. I'm perfectly fine.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-04-03 09:09:08
Jay
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uziq wrote:

something incidentally occurring over a long enough timespan is not the same as officially adopted public health policy. not 'going for'. every country is anticipating a vaccine that will help us to control and hopefully minimize coronavirus to flu-levels of containability. if herd immunity helps us along with that in a year or two's time, that's great. but there's no data as yet to suggest it will.

to do nothing except pursue herd immunity in the name of 'getting back to work' is a death-cult.
It's better to live in fear, keep everyone locked away in their homes, and forget about going on with their lives? Sorry, that's not acceptable to anyone but the most risk averse among us. Letting them call the shots would do irreparable harm to hundreds of millions of people. What about the kids missing school? What about all the missed social interaction? What about all the tens of millions that are now out of work and can't pay their bills or feed their families? The risk-averse won the initial argument and got the world to lock down for them. Now it's time for the rational to come up with a game plan to get us out of it and back to normal.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-04-03 09:11:04
Jay
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uziq wrote:

flattening the curve is achieved by making people stay inside. that's the protective measures. herd immunity is a part of it, yes, but it will not cause a massive flattening in the curve by itself, with young people going to work and milling about freely. or, at least, we have zero data to support this thesis.

the only countries where the exponential growth curves of new infections have flattened out into something more like control dynamics, with measures implemented having a measurable impact, are china, south korea, taiwan, etc. there is now some good news coming from italy, but it's too early to be certain yet.

and, well, there's nothing you can do about the critically ill dying of coronavirus, other than limit their initial exposure using quarantine. the pressing topic is avoidable deaths. people on the edge of death catch flu or chest infections that become pneumonia and ARDS every year, in any case. 1,000s dying for lack of ventilation does not happen.
Flattening the curve means there is a curve. It doesn't mean you create a cliff, which is what they're doing now by keeping people inside and unexposed. They need to start releasing people back into the economy and keep it at a dull roar, rather than releasing people all at once and creating another spike. People need to be exposed. We can't lock ourselves away for 18 months. This life in quarantine isn't worth living.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-04-03 09:13:51
Jay
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

https://i.redd.it/ztpp0p7dllq41.jpg
You understand that this is because states tried to pass the buck and not buy up their own supplies, right? It's part of the game they constantly play. They always try to push all spending onto the federal government. This is the feds pushing back and saying fuck you you should've been buying your own stuff.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-04-03 09:23:08
SuperJail Warden
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Why can't the federal government just buy the supplies for them anyway? We can add a trillion dollars a year to the deficit for tax cuts but can't buy supplies? We can blow $8 trillion on wars in the Middle East but don't have the money for things here.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-04-03 09:23:35
uziq
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Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

something incidentally occurring over a long enough timespan is not the same as officially adopted public health policy. not 'going for'. every country is anticipating a vaccine that will help us to control and hopefully minimize coronavirus to flu-levels of containability. if herd immunity helps us along with that in a year or two's time, that's great. but there's no data as yet to suggest it will.

to do nothing except pursue herd immunity in the name of 'getting back to work' is a death-cult.
It's better to live in fear, keep everyone locked away in their homes, and forget about going on with their lives? Sorry, that's not acceptable to anyone but the most risk averse among us. Letting them call the shots would do irreparable harm to hundreds of millions of people. What about the kids missing school? What about all the missed social interaction? What about all the tens of millions that are now out of work and can't pay their bills or feed their families? The risk-averse won the initial argument and got the world to lock down for them. Now it's time for the rational to come up with a game plan to get us out of it and back to normal.
the entire world seems to disagree with you. people are not 'living in fear', they are doing the most sensible thing in the circumstances.

there is a pandemic raging out of control, jay. we can either take drastic measures to try and contain it before it overwhelms medical systems, or we don't do anything. a highly contagious virus doesn't have a finely calibrated set of accelerator and brake pedals.

i have no doubt that governments will try and let small amounts of people go back to work with some sort of 'clean health' passport system. however that's for later on when the virus's exponential growth has been significantly slowed. right now we are heading off a precipice into full-scale medical meltdown. encouraging herd immunity with working-age people is not going to do anything to alleviate the immense pressure on our wards and in our ICUs right now.

This life in quarantine isn't worth living.
once again you are whining about having to stay at home with your wife and kids, whilst medical professionals are working 14 hour shifts in hellscapes, many of them getting ill and dying themselves without proper safety equipment. and you call me a 'coward'? wow your life sounds so terrible. you should be let outside, dammit! who cares what extra misery it causes for inundated doctors and nurses! jay is so bored, all he has to do is leave comments on right-wing blogs about park avenue liberals! wah wah wahhhh

this is just like that time you told me that 'i am treating this as a joke' and to you it is 'deadly serious', meaning that you have to keep your kids entertained for several weeks. you hero!!!

Last edited by uziq (2020-04-03 09:34:25)

2020-04-03 09:38:12
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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Jay is the kind of person to cough on strangers.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-04-03 09:51:31
Jay
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+2,006|5779|London, England

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

something incidentally occurring over a long enough timespan is not the same as officially adopted public health policy. not 'going for'. every country is anticipating a vaccine that will help us to control and hopefully minimize coronavirus to flu-levels of containability. if herd immunity helps us along with that in a year or two's time, that's great. but there's no data as yet to suggest it will.

to do nothing except pursue herd immunity in the name of 'getting back to work' is a death-cult.
It's better to live in fear, keep everyone locked away in their homes, and forget about going on with their lives? Sorry, that's not acceptable to anyone but the most risk averse among us. Letting them call the shots would do irreparable harm to hundreds of millions of people. What about the kids missing school? What about all the missed social interaction? What about all the tens of millions that are now out of work and can't pay their bills or feed their families? The risk-averse won the initial argument and got the world to lock down for them. Now it's time for the rational to come up with a game plan to get us out of it and back to normal.
the entire world seems to disagree with you. people are not 'living in fear', they are doing the most sensible thing in the circumstances.

there is a pandemic raging out of control, jay. we can either take drastic measures to try and contain it before it overwhelms medical systems, or we don't do anything. a highly contagious virus doesn't have a finely calibrated set of accelerator and brake pedals.

i have no doubt that governments will try and let small amounts of people go back to work with some sort of 'clean health' passport system. however that's for later on when the virus's exponential growth has been significantly slowed. right now we are heading off a precipice into full-scale medical meltdown. encouraging herd immunity with working-age people is not going to do anything to alleviate the immense pressure on our wards and in our ICUs right now.

This life in quarantine isn't worth living.
once again you are whining about having to stay at home with your wife and kids, whilst medical professionals are working 14 hour shifts in hellscapes, many of them getting ill and dying themselves without proper safety equipment. and you call me a 'coward'? wow your life sounds so terrible. you should be let outside, dammit! who cares what extra misery it causes for inundated doctors and nurses! jay is so bored, all he has to do is leave comments on right-wing blogs about park avenue liberals! wah wah wahhhh

this is just like that time you told me that 'i am treating this as a joke' and to you it is 'deadly serious', meaning that you have to keep your kids entertained for several weeks. you hero!!!
The entire world is you and your echo chamber? No, sorry.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-04-03 09:52:29
uziq
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what delimits and defines an echo chamber? if the entire world, except america, quickly becoming the epicentre of the pandemic, by the by, agrees on a consensus, how is it an 'echo chamber'?

you are surely a retarded, stupid person.
2020-04-03 09:53:41
Jay
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay is the kind of person to cough on strangers.
My client did that to me a few weeks ago when I asked him how he was feeling. I wanted to punch him in the fucking face.

No, I maintained my six foot clearance at all times and stayed home from work as soon as I started feeling the first twinge, thank you very much.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-04-03 09:54:21
uziq
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and now you're back in public after only having symptoms less than a week ago? you could still be contagious.
2020-04-03 09:54:47
Jay
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uziq wrote:

what delimits and defines an echo chamber? if the entire world, except america, quickly becoming the epicentre of the pandemic, by the by, agrees on a consensus, how is it an 'echo chamber'?

you are surely a retarded, stupid person.
You're a pussy and you listen to other people who are pussy's because it helps you live with your own cowardice to know you aren't alone. You dismiss everyone else as stupid. It's very convenient to be a pussy when you surround yourself with other pussy's who won't challenge your beliefs. Pussy.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-04-03 09:55:28
Jay
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uziq wrote:

and now you're back in public after only having symptoms less than a week ago? you could still be contagious.
Was two weeks from first symptoms. According to the CDC I only had to wait a week. I waited two.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-04-03 09:57:02
uziq
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Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

what delimits and defines an echo chamber? if the entire world, except america, quickly becoming the epicentre of the pandemic, by the by, agrees on a consensus, how is it an 'echo chamber'?

you are surely a retarded, stupid person.
You're a pussy and you listen to other people who are pussy's because it helps you live with your own cowardice to know you aren't alone. You dismiss everyone else as stupid. It's very convenient to be a pussy when you surround yourself with other pussy's who won't challenge your beliefs. Pussy.


tough guy jay is upset because he has to stay in. he is suffering!
2020-04-03 09:58:59
uziq
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Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

and now you're back in public after only having symptoms less than a week ago? you could still be contagious.
Was two weeks from first symptoms. According to the CDC I only had to wait a week. I waited two.
the WHO official guidelines state that a person can be contagious for up to two weeks after symptoms abate.

pussy experts!
2020-04-03 09:59:49
Jay
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uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

and now you're back in public after only having symptoms less than a week ago? you could still be contagious.
Was two weeks from first symptoms. According to the CDC I only had to wait a week. I waited two.
the WHO official guidelines state that a person can be contagious for up to two weeks after symptoms abate.

pussy experts!
Yeah, no one gives a fuck about the WHO right now, or ever, really. They don't exactly have any credibility right now.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-04-03 10:03:19
KEN-JENNINGS
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Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

https://i.redd.it/ztpp0p7dllq41.jpg
You understand that this is because states tried to pass the buck and not buy up their own supplies, right? It's part of the game they constantly play. They always try to push all spending onto the federal government. This is the feds pushing back and saying fuck you you should've been buying your own stuff.
that is such bullshit. It's not about costs, it's about having a plan of action. Having 50 states PLUS the federal government bidding against each other is not efficient.

It's actually very simple - consolidate demand. negotiate on pricing. distribute to the most affected, urgent areas as a priority. Why have 50 moving pieces plus 1? Your pet "chaos = freedom" theory does not apply here. It might apply in a place like Somalia, though.

The federal government is failing at this task. It seems like the white house is purposely not allowing federal agencies to enact any sort of coordinated response. The white house has repeatedly worked against common knowledge of this. Failed to listen to experts. Failed to take it seriously. Failed to issue a timely, directed response.

Didn't we declare a national emergency? Isn't Trump invoking war powers acts to mobilize the federal government? But it's not the role of the federal government? Why aren't you calling the Feds out for overstepping their role?

You've taken civics, right?
2020-04-03 10:03:33
Larssen
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Larssen wrote:

I don't know why this needs to be explained, you don't need to read any articles to realise this. The mortality rate and ICU admission rates are simply too high. Extrapolate these to the entire US population, or even a third, and you can easily gauge how many people would be affected. Include the growth rate if the virus could spread naturally (2-3 infected per infected person) and you'd see the amount of people that will fall critically ill / die will reach enormous numbers in timespans too short to deal with. You know math, this isn't hard to figure out.
2020-04-03 10:04:50
uziq
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Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:


Was two weeks from first symptoms. According to the CDC I only had to wait a week. I waited two.
the WHO official guidelines state that a person can be contagious for up to two weeks after symptoms abate.

pussy experts!
Yeah, no one gives a fuck about the WHO right now, or ever, really. They don't exactly have any credibility right now.
are you confusing the WHO for trump's administration? the WHO have been pretty much spot-on entirely. you know, like those people who said viral outbreaks are exponential.

u feelin k hun? you're having a hard time telling right from wrong these days. you're living in some wonderland like alice where up means down and left means right.
2020-04-03 10:08:40
KEN-JENNINGS
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the criticism of the WHO is probably related to them kowtowing to China. Remember, everything is binary in a simpleton's mind. You can't be doing real epidemiology work, modeling, vaccination research AND also refuse to acknowledge Taiwan as anything more than a vassal of China.
2020-04-03 10:10:35
unnamednewbie13
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

https://i.redd.it/ztpp0p7dllq41.jpg
You understand that this is because states tried to pass the buck and not buy up their own supplies, right? It's part of the game they constantly play. They always try to push all spending onto the federal government. This is the feds pushing back and saying fuck you you should've been buying your own stuff.
that is such bullshit. It's not about costs, it's about having a plan of action. Having 50 states PLUS the federal government bidding against each other is not efficient.

It's actually very simple - consolidate demand. negotiate on pricing. distribute to the most affected, urgent areas as a priority. Why have 50 moving pieces plus 1? Your pet "chaos = freedom" theory does not apply here. It might apply in a place like Somalia, though.

The federal government is failing at this task. It seems like the white house is purposely not allowing federal agencies to enact any sort of coordinated response. The white house has repeatedly worked against common knowledge of this. Failed to listen to experts. Failed to take it seriously. Failed to issue a timely, directed response.

Didn't we declare a national emergency? Isn't Trump invoking war powers acts to mobilize the federal government? But it's not the role of the federal government? Why aren't you calling the Feds out for overstepping their role?

You've taken civics, right?
I'm just going to drop this here again:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Supposedly Trump's approval rating is 49% through all this.

Who Are the Voters Behind Trump's Higher Approval Rating? 4/1
https://www.yahoo.com/news/voters-behin … 19015.html

Justin Penn, a Pittsburgh voter who calls himself politically independent, favored Joe Biden in a matchup with President Donald Trump until recently. But the president’s performance during the coronavirus outbreak has Penn reconsidering.

“I think he’s handled it pretty well,” he said of the president, whose daily White House appearances Penn catches on Facebook after returning from his job as a bank security guard. “I think he’s tried to keep people calm,” he said. “I know some people don’t think he’s taking it seriously, but I think he’s doing the best with the information he had.”

Although Penn, 40, said he did not vote for Trump, his opinion of the president has improved recently and he very well might back him for a second term.

Across the country, the coronavirus has sickened more than 150,000 people, cost millions their jobs and tanked the stock market. Yet the president’s approval ratings are as high as they have ever been, despite what most agree to be his slow performance dealing with the crisis, as well as his record of falsehoods about the virus, his propensity to push ideas and treatments that contradict expert advice, and his habit of lashing out at governors on the front lines.

While public perceptions are fluid in a crisis, a notable twist in polling at this point is that independents are driving Trump’s bump in approval, and some increased Democratic support is a factor as well. Gallup called that “highly unusual for Trump” in reporting its latest survey, which was released last week and showed Trump’s approval rating at 49%, equal to the best of his presidency.

continues
smh
"Four more years!"
2020-04-03 10:15:07
Jay
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

https://i.redd.it/ztpp0p7dllq41.jpg
You understand that this is because states tried to pass the buck and not buy up their own supplies, right? It's part of the game they constantly play. They always try to push all spending onto the federal government. This is the feds pushing back and saying fuck you you should've been buying your own stuff.
that is such bullshit. It's not about costs, it's about having a plan of action. Having 50 states PLUS the federal government bidding against each other is not efficient.

It's actually very simple - consolidate demand. negotiate on pricing. distribute to the most affected, urgent areas as a priority. Why have 50 moving pieces plus 1? Your pet "chaos = freedom" theory does not apply here. It might apply in a place like Somalia, though.

The federal government is failing at this task. It seems like the white house is purposely not allowing federal agencies to enact any sort of coordinated response. The white house has repeatedly worked against common knowledge of this. Failed to listen to experts. Failed to take it seriously. Failed to issue a timely, directed response.

Didn't we declare a national emergency? Isn't Trump invoking war powers acts to mobilize the federal government? But it's not the role of the federal government? Why aren't you calling the Feds out for overstepping their role?

You've taken civics, right?
It's not bullshit, it's how the game is normally played. When Obamacare was enacted do you remember the pushback from the states on Medicaid expansion? It was all about who was being asked to pay for it. When every natural disaster happens, governors invoke state of emergency because it opens up FEMA money. The State of New York had the opportunity to buy 16,000 ventilators a few years ago but said that they didn't want to spend the money and instead would depend on the Federal government when an emergency came up. Now there are 49 other states that are trying to pull from the same bucket at the same time. We have a lack of governance in this country. Our politicians promise the world and then fail at the day to day task of actually governing and planning. They want the power without any of the responsibility.

Our state finances in blue states are all in rough shape. Our pension outlays and unfunded liabilities are absolutely crushing our ability to plan for rainy days like today.

Last edited by Jay (2020-04-03 10:17:37)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-04-03 10:16:59
SuperJail Warden
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

the criticism of the WHO is probably related to them kowtowing to China. Remember, everything is binary in a simpleton's mind. You can't be doing real epidemiology work, modeling, vaccination research AND also refuse to acknowledge Taiwan as anything more than a vassal of China.
It's 90% that plus the WHO also said climate change could adversely affect public health and transgender behavior isn't mental illness.

So it is a "SJW organization" among the right.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-04-03 10:18:50
uziq
Member
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

the criticism of the WHO is probably related to them kowtowing to China. Remember, everything is binary in a simpleton's mind. You can't be doing real epidemiology work, modeling, vaccination research AND also refuse to acknowledge Taiwan as anything more than a vassal of China.
jay is understandably under a lot of stress right now. he has infected his wife with a potentially lethal virus. his kids, likely, too. maybe even close relatives; certainly colleagues.

he's following advice he's read on the internet somewhere and is out stuffing his face at wendy's before the period of active contagion has passed. he is still infecting people, most likely. rather than reckon with the ethics of what he's doing, in his selfishness and restlessness at being 'stuck at home', instead he's going out to prove something! he's going to 'own the libs'. those 'cowards' who can't take fire in the trenches like jay can!
2020-04-03 10:24:14
Jay
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+2,006|5779|London, England

uziq wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

the criticism of the WHO is probably related to them kowtowing to China. Remember, everything is binary in a simpleton's mind. You can't be doing real epidemiology work, modeling, vaccination research AND also refuse to acknowledge Taiwan as anything more than a vassal of China.
jay is understandably under a lot of stress right now. he has infected his wife with a potentially lethal virus. his kids, likely, too. maybe even close relatives; certainly colleagues.

he's following advice he's read on the internet somewhere and is out stuffing his face at wendy's before the period of active contagion has passed. he is still infecting people, most likely. rather than reckon with the ethics of what he's doing, in his selfishness and restlessness at being 'stuck at home', instead he's going out to prove something! he's going to 'own the libs'. those 'cowards' who can't take fire in the trenches like jay can!
You're probably going to die when you catch it. You should stay in your apartment forever.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

 

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