Presidential Election 2016

2020-05-21 09:10:49

#5226

uziq: Member; +498|3720

Larssen wrote:
Yes but really that is a weird practice in itself. Very few schools in continental Europe have these dress codes let alone 'boys schools' and 'girls schools' or the large amount of boarding schools you have in the UK. These are antique educational norms, get with the times.

i went to a coeducational school. segregating the genders isn't really a sign of 'elite' education anymore. in fact it's mostly practiced in the intermediary-tier schools with a strong faith or religious background. catholic grammar schools, and so on.

there are some notable exceptions, e.g. eton for boys (obviously) and cheltenham ladies for the girls (obviously). but they are far from even a 'respectable' english norm, and more like schools for international elite.

e: i am pro uniforms. you are not special.

Last edited by uziq (2020-05-21 09:14:41)

2020-05-21 09:16:06

#5227

Larssen: Member; +99|2156

I am strongly opposed to uniforms in school.

2020-05-21 09:18:25

#5228

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3988

It's a matter of public safety. I support it.

2020-05-21 09:20:13

#5229

uziq: Member; +498|3720

everyone in the world sends their kids to be schooled in england. we're doing it right. that or taking money from a lot of gullible russians, saudis, and newly rich chinese. even the french, our sworn mortal enemies in all things cultural, accept an english boarding school education as being 'bien rangé'.

doesn't switzerland have the same thing? boarding schools? finishing schools, even, for manners and elocution? more enlightened yurop.

2020-05-21 09:20:54

#5230

Larssen: Member; +99|2156

Does europe strike you as unsafe? You'll have to look hard to find a kid in a school uniform. Especially in northern europe. Nobody wears them

2020-05-21 09:23:24

#5231

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3988

Larssen wrote:
Does europe strike you as unsafe? You'll have to look hard to find a kid in a school uniform. Especially in northern europe. Nobody wears them

Parts of Europe are unsafe. I live in America anyway. How do you feel about gun control?

My uniform and gun control policy is consistent with my belief in public safety.

2020-05-21 09:24:12

#5232

Larssen: Member; +99|2156

uziq wrote:
everyone in the world sends their kids to be schooled in england. we're doing it right. that or taking money from a lot of gullible russians, saudis, and newly rich chinese. even the french, our sworn mortal enemies in all things cultural, accept an english boarding school education as being 'bien rangé'.

doesn't switzerland have the same thing? boarding schools? finishing schools, even, for manners and elocution? more enlightened yurop.

I believe that has much more to do with the cultural reach of the english speaking world than anything else. The history of empire and the domination of media are no small factors here. You really think a good french, italian or german high school is lesser in quality? Come on now. The UK is mostly a favourite pick for the snobby rich these days and always has been. It's the perception that comes along with it which counts.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-05-21 09:24:25)

2020-05-21 09:27:04

#5233

Larssen: Member; +99|2156

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Larssen wrote:
Does europe strike you as unsafe? You'll have to look hard to find a kid in a school uniform. Especially in northern europe. Nobody wears them
Parts of Europe are unsafe. I live in America anyway. How do you feel about gun control?

My uniform and gun control policy is consistent with my belief in public safety.

Controlling guns is good.

Uniforms bad.

2020-05-21 09:28:25

#5234

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3988

Larssen wrote:
uziq wrote:
everyone in the world sends their kids to be schooled in england. we're doing it right. that or taking money from a lot of gullible russians, saudis, and newly rich chinese. even the french, our sworn mortal enemies in all things cultural, accept an english boarding school education as being 'bien rangé'.

doesn't switzerland have the same thing? boarding schools? finishing schools, even, for manners and elocution? more enlightened yurop.
I believe that has much more to do with the cultural reach of the english speaking world than anything else. The history of empire and the domination of media are no small factors here. You really think a good french, italian or german high school is lesser in quality? Come on now. The UK is mostly a favourite pick for the snobby rich these days and always has been. It's the perception that comes along with it which counts.

I think that if you put a high functioning kid in any school they will do fine. Unless the school is in the one from Dangerous Minds.

I personally see myself as more of a Samuel Jackson character.

2020-05-21 09:30:57

#5235

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3988

Larssen wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Larssen wrote:
Does europe strike you as unsafe? You'll have to look hard to find a kid in a school uniform. Especially in northern europe. Nobody wears them
Parts of Europe are unsafe. I live in America anyway. How do you feel about gun control?

My uniform and gun control policy is consistent with my belief in public safety.
Controlling guns is good.

Uniforms bad.

An uniform policy is one way we can protect kids from gun violence in America.

2020-05-21 09:32:06

#5236

Larssen: Member; +99|2156

Depends on the school and the kids' environment. I know there's no tiered system in the US but more civilised countries separate kids according to their abilities and talents at a young age.

How do uniforms protect kids from gun violence? Also lol @ the problem diagnosis that preceded that decision to enforce them.

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2020-05-21 09:35:02

#5237

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3988

Larssen wrote:
Depends on the school and the kids' environment. I know there's no tiered system in the US but more civilised countries separate kids according to their abilities and talents at a young age.

In the U.S. such a thing would be ruled unconstitutional because some states would use it as a way to enforce defacto segregation. I see the benefits to such a program but feel that instead of splitting everyone apart, just putting more resources into schools and keeping everyone together would be better.

2020-05-21 09:37:47

#5238

Larssen: Member; +99|2156

Splitting kids according to abilities and talents doesn't include racial profiling...

Anyway you can still have large schools with everyone under a single roof, just tiered ones. Also you make it possible for kids who do well or who suck to move between the tiers. Voila

Last edited by Larssen (2020-05-21 09:38:25)

2020-05-21 09:38:10

#5239

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3988

Larssen wrote:
How do uniforms protect kids from gun violence? Also lol @ the problem diagnosis that preceded that decision to enforce them.

It is easy to tell when an out of district kid hangs around the school because they don't have an uniform. It's easier to keep track of and identify kids after school if they are still in uniform. Most school shootings aren't mass shooting. They are gang related and only result in one or no casualties.

2020-05-21 09:38:10

#5240

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3988

Larssen wrote:
How do uniforms protect kids from gun violence? Also lol @ the problem diagnosis that preceded that decision to enforce them.

It is easy to tell when an out of district kid hangs around the school because they don't have an uniform. It's easier to keep track of and identify kids after school if they are still in uniform. Most school shootings aren't mass shooting. They are gang related and only result in one or no casualties.

2020-05-21 09:39:12

#5241

Larssen: Member; +99|2156

Well maybe your problem are the fucking guns and the gangs rather than kids not wearing uniforms, jesus.

2020-05-21 09:40:30

#5242

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3988

Larssen wrote:
Well maybe your problem are the fucking guns and the gangs rather than kids not wearing uniforms, jesus.

Why do you want kids to die?

2020-05-21 09:45:33

#5243

Larssen: Member; +99|2156

2020-05-21 09:47:01

#5244

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3988

You don't support uniforms and don't support saving kids.

2020-05-21 09:48:00

#5245

Larssen: Member; +99|2156

Get rid of the guns.

Do something about the proliferation of gangs.

Get rid of uniforms.

2020-05-21 09:53:01

#5246

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3988

Why do you think people should be allowed to dress however they want at school but responsible adults can't own firearms?

2020-05-21 09:58:03

#5247

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5626|London, England

Larssen wrote:
I would consider making home schooling illegal. It seems the sort of thing only helicopter parents crave.

What is the goal of school? Is it to educate? Is it to socialize? Is it to feed the underprivileged? Is it to indoctrinate children into a common belief system with a common overarching mythos?

I've met a decent number of people that were home schooled. They tend to be socially awkward because they missed out on a lot of the inane pop culture crap and shared experiences that people who have gone through traditional school have in common. They also tend to be better educated than traditionally schooled children. If the goal is to educate, then it's way better on average, with less time invested and greater results. If the goal is to create a homogeneous society, then it fails utterly.

Also, it's not just the religious right that home schools. Hippies do it too.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-05-21 09:59:36

#5248

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5626|London, England

Larssen wrote:
Get rid of the guns.

Do something about the proliferation of gangs.

Get rid of uniforms.

You have a lot of internal conflict going on. You hate uniforms but crave uniformity. Interesting.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-05-21 10:06:06

#5249

Larssen: Member; +99|2156

No actually if you followed my posts in the last few pages it should be abundantly clear that I'm not at all opposed to expressions of identity, I'm also not fond of enforced uniformity. You of all people should be pro-banning uniforms with your individualist outlook. Clothing is a way through which people get to explore their own identity. Let them.

As for school, the purpose is as much education as it is about socialisation. Homeschooling makes people hopelessly detached and while I'm sure individual tutoring can be great (after all that's how the intelligentsia in history were taught too) I don't trust the average parent to have the chops to properly educate their children. I also don't believe the benevolent motive of providing the best education is the primary reason parents choose this option, really. It's about control over their kids.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-05-21 10:06:58)

2020-05-21 10:14:54

#5250

uziq: Member; +498|3720

Larssen wrote:
uziq wrote:
everyone in the world sends their kids to be schooled in england. we're doing it right. that or taking money from a lot of gullible russians, saudis, and newly rich chinese. even the french, our sworn mortal enemies in all things cultural, accept an english boarding school education as being 'bien rangé'.

doesn't switzerland have the same thing? boarding schools? finishing schools, even, for manners and elocution? more enlightened yurop.
I believe that has much more to do with the cultural reach of the english speaking world than anything else. The history of empire and the domination of media are no small factors here. You really think a good french, italian or german high school is lesser in quality? Come on now. The UK is mostly a favourite pick for the snobby rich these days and always has been. It's the perception that comes along with it which counts.

no i don't think they are lesser in quality. there's lots to learn from other countries' schools (and lots to forget; the french pre-university system seems horrific).

but, yes, reputation and esteem is a large part of it. nobody is immune. even jay 'fuck snobs' wants to send his kids to a lutheran school because of its relative ~cultural cachet~ in whatever demographic he swims in.

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