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Trump's fourth of July speech at Mount Rushmore was something.

In a jaw-dropping speech that amounted to a culture war bonfire, President Donald Trump used the backdrop of Mount Rushmore Friday night to frame protesters as a nefarious left-wing mob that intends to "end America." Those opponents, he argued, are engaged in a "merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children."

It's interesting how he never even tried to be the president of all Americans and unify the country. I'm sure its the media's fault for making him that way and not a deep personal flaw.

cart, horse, etc.

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 he had a 90% approval rating, but Afghanistan, Iraq and the 2008 financial crisis seem to have caused severe damage to American society and democracy. It's going to take some time for historians to unwind the first two decades of the 20th century, though I wouldn't consider Trump as the sole person pulling this cart of division. Rather his election seemed a product of issues that had been festering in society for some time. I can't for the life of me believe he would be considered a serious candidate at any other point in time than 2016, let alone win.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Trump's fourth of July speech at Mount Rushmore was something.

In a jaw-dropping speech that amounted to a culture war bonfire, President Donald Trump used the backdrop of Mount Rushmore Friday night to frame protesters as a nefarious left-wing mob that intends to "end America." Those opponents, he argued, are engaged in a "merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children."

It's interesting how he never even tried to be the president of all Americans and unify the country. I'm sure its the media's fault for making him that way and not a deep personal flaw.

Classic playbook stuff. That particular kind of rabble rousing is nothing new. This was also the angle I remember conservative pundits presenting over the radio in the 90s.

Pretty cheesy here, though. Maybe next time he can give a speech from atop the Statue of Liberty.

I think it's safe to say at this point that, barring unforeseen changes, Trump's reelection is in peril. But voters probably shouldn't sit on their thumbs thinking that Biden has it in the bag. Who knows how underhanded things will get. Besides, it would be pretty embarrassing to have yet another close election after four years of this.

I think the polls are going to narrow as we get closer to the election. I think Biden has a better chance of beating Trump than Clinton. Conservatives are also in a bit of bubble if they think he is all dementia. He looked alive and sharp in his debates with Bernie. If he shows up to one debate sharp and does well, I can see a lot of questions about his fitness evaporating.


I also think the right wing shouldn't underestimate how many people are going to blame Trump for the deaths of their loved ones in the next 5 months. Can you think of any time in our history where so many people would blame the president for getting their loved ones killed?

SuperJail Warden wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Trump's fourth of July speech at Mount Rushmore was something.

It's interesting how he never even tried to be the president of all Americans and unify the country. I'm sure its the media's fault for making him that way and not a deep personal flaw.

Classic playbook stuff. That particular kind of rabble rousing is nothing new. This was also the angle I remember conservative pundits presenting over the radio in the 90s.

Pretty cheesy here, though. Maybe next time he can give a speech from atop the Statue of Liberty.

I think it's safe to say at this point that, barring unforeseen changes, Trump's reelection is in peril. But voters probably shouldn't sit on their thumbs thinking that Biden has it in the bag. Who knows how underhanded things will get. Besides, it would be pretty embarrassing to have yet another close election after four years of this.

I think the polls are going to narrow as we get closer to the election. I think Biden has a better chance of beating Trump than Clinton. Conservatives are also in a bit of bubble if they think he is all dementia. He looked alive and sharp in his debates with Bernie. If he shows up to one debate sharp and does well, I can see a lot of questions about his fitness evaporating.


I also think the right wing shouldn't underestimate how many people are going to blame Trump for the deaths of their loved ones in the next 5 months. Can you think of any time in our history where so many people would blame the president for getting their loved ones killed?

I think a lot more are angry about their lost jobs and Democrats are an easy target on that score. Also, Cuomo killed a few thousand himself with his executive orders and gets trashed in every comments section now. There's enough blame and anger to go around.

People pretty famously do not blame the opposition party for a bad economy. I don't expect people are going to blame unemployed Joe Biden for losing their jobs. Cuomo might get trashed in your conservative magazine comment sections but we have already established that those people are divorced from reality. Cuomo is at 80% approval rating last time it was checked in late June. And again, people are not going to blame local leaders like Murphy and Cuomo when they were working every day to manage the crisis while the president famously does nothing. What did Trump do to increase the medical capacity of nursing homes and hospitals?

Jay wrote:

Sent in the army corps of engineers to design and pay for all the temporary hospitals?

And then what?

I have a hard time comprehending anyone who will vote trump this year.

I just watched Macy's NYC firework show on T.V. With everything going on in the country, the whole thing was dour. I don't think the fireworks were even excited to be there.

He won't be able to get on the ballot anywhere. It's a PR stunt. Best he can hope for is some write in votes but to tell you the truth, I have no idea how to even go about that at a polling station.

omg please don't tell me you just returned to link us a jonathan pie video. that stuff is puerile and moronic. i'm embarrassed to even look at his stupid face. you're as bad as dilbert using ali g and idiocracy as 'political commentary'. these people are COMEDY WRITERS.

Well, I know his voting base is loony and excruciatingly stupid, but it's such a depth of stupid I just can't wrap my head around it.

uziq wrote:

if kanye west runs for president, does that mean the 0.5% of MAGA-supporting african-americans will split from trump's vote into an independent?

OMG big moves.

More likely it will take away most of Biden's black votes and Trump will win.