Egalitarianism and tribalism got us through... A million or 2 years of coming to age. Civilization is only ~5-10k years old. Saying there are only two viable options, socialism or libertarianism seems a bit short sighted. Staunch individualism will not see us survive another 10k. Some form of collectivism is an absolute prerequisite for a human future beyond the fossil record. It doesn’t need to look like a commie hell hole nor a world of cucks.
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jay: social democracy is doomed because people will abuse the benefits system and safety net.
also jay: capitalism is the only option, who cares if the capitalists abuse the system to their own gain? i’ve got a small house and some shares!
also jay: capitalism is the only option, who cares if the capitalists abuse the system to their own gain? i’ve got a small house and some shares!
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It's 75% big business fault and 20% Hollywood. Those two groups destroyed the reputation of the church for wealth and greed. The secularists at least meant well.uziq wrote:
yeah right, secularism is to blame. we need more pedo priests and children having their heads ruined with guilt complexes to shame and scare everyone into good behaviour. fuck off.
And Catholic guilt is exactly the sort of feeling that makes people work harder and better for society.
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We need to give Integralism a try.
the richest western nations in the world generate so much product/wealth that they could seriously and easily implement a universal basic income, if they wanted to.
but nah, instead jay is concerned about refugees from war-torn nations and single mothers abusing food stamps.
oh and high executive pay? tax evasion? it’s not a problem. it has no effect on the average american’s life whatsoever.
remember, in the culture war, it’s the fault of the poor and the needy for destroying society’s trust and values. just like it was the fault of all those careless and procreative blacks in their slums for spreading covid-19. the ruling class at the top accumulating all the wealth and flouting all the tax laws and financial regulations are not undermining trust or damaging the cohesion of society AT ALL.
but nah, instead jay is concerned about refugees from war-torn nations and single mothers abusing food stamps.
oh and high executive pay? tax evasion? it’s not a problem. it has no effect on the average american’s life whatsoever.
remember, in the culture war, it’s the fault of the poor and the needy for destroying society’s trust and values. just like it was the fault of all those careless and procreative blacks in their slums for spreading covid-19. the ruling class at the top accumulating all the wealth and flouting all the tax laws and financial regulations are not undermining trust or damaging the cohesion of society AT ALL.
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Right, it wasn’t the centuries of war, genocide, torture, slavery, that gave the church a bad name. Leaving the pedos aside for a moment.SuperJail Warden wrote:
It's 75% big business fault and 20% Hollywood. Those two groups destroyed the reputation of the church for wealth and greed. The secularists at least meant well.uziq wrote:
yeah right, secularism is to blame. we need more pedo priests and children having their heads ruined with guilt complexes to shame and scare everyone into good behaviour. fuck off.
And Catholic guilt is exactly the sort of feeling that makes people work harder and better for society.
There are obviously different points along the axis where societies can function effectively. It is not an absolute either/or, they are simply the end points along the axis. My point is that you can't decouple the economics from the societal limits on freedom and have a society that works. An authoritarian government with a free economy doesn't work. Neither does a free society with an overly restricted economy. They're inefficient, and inefficiencies get sorted out by the global market.Superior Mind wrote:
Egalitarianism and tribalism got us through... A million or 2 years of coming to age. Civilization is only ~5-10k years old. Saying there are only two viable options, socialism or libertarianism seems a bit short sighted. Staunch individualism will not see us survive another 10k. Some form of collectivism is an absolute prerequisite for a human future beyond the fossil record. It doesn’t need to look like a commie hell hole nor a world of cucks.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
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China is an authoritarian state with a free economy. Does it work? Depends who you are.
except it’s already working in most of the western world. america is an aberrant example of almost unique, pre-democratic inequality. the rest of europe is functioning FINE with that combination, jay. you can hype up right-wing inflammatory rhetoric about refugees and discord all you like, they are merely surface eddies on a very stable body.
as macbeth said before, you have some fetishism for an ideology that has does nothing but spurn and disown you. you are quite simply and literally voting against your own interests, for a class that despise you and hold you in contempt. you peddle their silly bylines about ‘scandinavia being in chaos’, ‘the order and stability of society being under threat’, but really you are just the worst sort of rube. their politics offers ZERO to you except for impotent fantasies of self-mythologising identification. you’re like a little boy in his father’s suit pretending to be the works manager.
as macbeth said before, you have some fetishism for an ideology that has does nothing but spurn and disown you. you are quite simply and literally voting against your own interests, for a class that despise you and hold you in contempt. you peddle their silly bylines about ‘scandinavia being in chaos’, ‘the order and stability of society being under threat’, but really you are just the worst sort of rube. their politics offers ZERO to you except for impotent fantasies of self-mythologising identification. you’re like a little boy in his father’s suit pretending to be the works manager.
jay thinks china is heading for another soviet union style implosion. just like he thinks all their positive support from their citizens is extracted at gunpoint by an NKVD.Superior Mind wrote:
China is an authoritarian state with a free economy. Does it work? Depends who you are.
Why do you always rail against the corporations? Mike Trout is making more money this season (or would if not for COVID) than pretty much every CEO in the country. The average salary for CEO's is $7.8M. The average baseball player makes $4.38M. NBA players make $5.15M, on average. Ronaldo is making 31M euros. Tom Cruise made $70M for mission impossible. Harrison Ford made $65M for Indiana Jones.uziq wrote:
the richest western nations in the world generate so much product/wealth that they could seriously and easily implement a universal basic income, if they wanted to.
but nah, instead jay is concerned about refugees from war-torn nations and single mothers abusing food stamps.
oh and high executive pay? tax evasion? it’s not a problem. it has no effect on the average american’s life whatsoever.
remember, in the culture war, it’s the fault of the poor and the needy for destroying society’s trust and values. just like it was the fault of all those careless and procreative blacks in their slums for spreading covid-19. the ruling class at the top accumulating all the wealth and flouting all the tax laws and financial regulations are not undermining trust or damaging the cohesion of society AT ALL.
You still didn't answer my question from before either. The people you're jealous of have wealth that is in the form of stocks. They have minimal salaried income. Do you want them to divest their stocks and give up control of their companies? What's your plan here? Or is it just a talking point you picked up along the way that you gave no actual thought as to how to implement?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
They do not have a free economy whatsoever.Superior Mind wrote:
China is an authoritarian state with a free economy. Does it work? Depends who you are.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You really know nothing about me. You've built up some weird caricature that has no basis in reality. I'm honestly fine with it, because it's amusing to no end. Like dilbert, you keep tilting at windmills.uziq wrote:
except it’s already working in most of the western world. america is an aberrant example of almost unique, pre-democratic inequality. the rest of europe is functioning FINE with that combination, jay. you can hype up right-wing inflammatory rhetoric about refugees and discord all you like, they are merely surface eddies on a very stable body.
as macbeth said before, you have some fetishism for an ideology that has does nothing but spurn and disown you. you are quite simply and literally voting against your own interests, for a class that despise you and hold you in contempt. you peddle their silly bylines about ‘scandinavia being in chaos’, ‘the order and stability of society being under threat’, but really you are just the worst sort of rube. their politics offers ZERO to you except for impotent fantasies of self-mythologising identification. you’re like a little boy in his father’s suit pretending to be the works manager.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
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Fake NewsSuperior Mind wrote:
Right, it wasn’t the centuries of war, genocide, torture, slavery, that gave the church a bad name. Leaving the pedos aside for a moment.SuperJail Warden wrote:
It's 75% big business fault and 20% Hollywood. Those two groups destroyed the reputation of the church for wealth and greed. The secularists at least meant well.uziq wrote:
yeah right, secularism is to blame. we need more pedo priests and children having their heads ruined with guilt complexes to shame and scare everyone into good behaviour. fuck off.
And Catholic guilt is exactly the sort of feeling that makes people work harder and better for society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend_(Spain)
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Lol, seriously?
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I'm not going to go point by point explaining this but blaming the Catholic Church for all of the stuff done by some Catholics is bigotry. The Protestants and Muslims were all doing it too.
He cosplays as a catholic supremacist conservative nowSuperior Mind wrote:
Lol, seriously?
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
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You’ve got a point but I never said they were exclusive in their crimes. It’s not that “some” Catholics were bad, it’s that the leaders of the Chruch were bad. It was the Vatican/pope bankrolling the slave trade and conquest, no? Obviously I don’t hate Catholics. I would agree that a sacred society is a good thing, but let’s not forget how and why half the world is Catholic, Muslim etc. Basically I think there are better options to form social cohesion and a sense of morality than the worlds major religions.SuperJail Warden wrote:
I'm not going to go point by point explaining this but blaming the Catholic Church for all of the stuff done by some Catholics is bigotry. The Protestants and Muslims were all doing it too.
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Like what?Superior Mind wrote:
Basically I think there are better options to form social cohesion and a sense of morality than the worlds major religions.
how many film stars or NBA players are there? jesus christ.Jay wrote:
Why do you always rail against the corporations? Mike Trout is making more money this season (or would if not for COVID) than pretty much every CEO in the country. The average salary for CEO's is $7.8M. The average baseball player makes $4.38M. NBA players make $5.15M, on average. Ronaldo is making 31M euros. Tom Cruise made $70M for mission impossible. Harrison Ford made $65M for Indiana Jones.uziq wrote:
the richest western nations in the world generate so much product/wealth that they could seriously and easily implement a universal basic income, if they wanted to.
but nah, instead jay is concerned about refugees from war-torn nations and single mothers abusing food stamps.
oh and high executive pay? tax evasion? it’s not a problem. it has no effect on the average american’s life whatsoever.
remember, in the culture war, it’s the fault of the poor and the needy for destroying society’s trust and values. just like it was the fault of all those careless and procreative blacks in their slums for spreading covid-19. the ruling class at the top accumulating all the wealth and flouting all the tax laws and financial regulations are not undermining trust or damaging the cohesion of society AT ALL.
You still didn't answer my question from before either. The people you're jealous of have wealth that is in the form of stocks. They have minimal salaried income. Do you want them to divest their stocks and give up control of their companies? What's your plan here? Or is it just a talking point you picked up along the way that you gave no actual thought as to how to implement?
their ‘minimal salaried income’ is 235x the even more minimal salary of regular workers; only a part of it is in stocks; people are still paid many tens of millions of dollars a year in salaries alone. it’s not rare at all in banking or finance, or even certain spheres of law.
what’s my plan? what, you think patching up holes in benefit fraud is possible, but not doing the same for tax evasion or legal loopholes? why is it that it’s impossible to maintain a safety net because of fractional amounts of benefit cheating, but huge amounts of lost income to tax is okay?
many european countries have hard legal limits on the difference between executive and regular worker pay. it’s done as a ratio/multiplier. many other countries have progressive tax regimes. it doesn’t make their businesses uncompetitive, their executive CEO class a bunch of trash no-talents, and it doesn’t lead to the collapse of their societies as your bullshit little ‘axis’ above predicted. dipshit.
there’s so many ways to change the status quo that i find it pretty amazing, not to say ignorant and parochial of you, to assume that america’s is the optimal and only ‘working’ set-up. the situation for executives and top tax-band earners has changed significantly since the 1970s alone. those have all been policy and political decisions, jay.
again, why does food stamps wastage bother you but not tax cuts for corporations? the sums aren’t even comparable. you’re happy for the state to intervene and become protectionist over its top corporations but you hate any help given to the most needy and poor. why can’t corporations suffer for their recklessness and poor decisions? isn’t it sinister ‘leftism’ to insulate them from consequences? you’re pro corporation bailout and anti benefits fraud it’s really fucking funny.
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The president of the United States just defended flying the flag of the rebels who nearly destroyed the country. Amazing.President Trump mounted an explicit defense of the Confederate flag on Monday, suggesting that NASCAR had made a mistake in banning it from its auto racing events, while falsely accusing a top Black driver, Bubba Wallace, of perpetrating a hoax involving a noose found in his garage.
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Institutionalization of psychedelic initiation obviouslySuperJail Warden wrote:
Like what?Superior Mind wrote:
Basically I think there are better options to form social cohesion and a sense of morality than the worlds major religions.
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Mandatory 420 and universal blunt income.Superior Mind wrote:
Institutionalization of psychedelic initiation obviouslySuperJail Warden wrote:
Like what?Superior Mind wrote:
Basically I think there are better options to form social cohesion and a sense of morality than the worlds major religions.
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No child should ever have to go to bed sober.
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I know it’s funny, but I’m dead serious.