try and enjoy this part. the next one is going to be achingly long and boring. enter the legal challenges.
Well after georgia Biden will be on 269 votes according to the more conservative estimates. I suppose we'll only have official results somewhere next week?
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NYT just sent an alert that said Biden has taken the lead in PA thereby making the other raises irrelevant if it holds.
I'm seeing both CBS and CNN report that Trump has no plans to concede and/or will not deliver a concession speech. May be part of the unsubstantiated rumour mill but would be in character. In fact I fully expect he will preoccupy himself with exploring any and all means to remain president beyond january if the vote turns out in Biden's favour. Fun times ahead.
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I think there will be some sporadic Trump inspired attacks but I don't expect a civil war or him finding a way to stay in office.
What I find most amusing is all the republicans now coming out of the woodwork 'shocked' at the president's unsubstantiated and unfounded statements on vote counting.
He has been outright lying for the entire duration of the presidency on almost all if not every subject. From the crowd size at his presidential inauguration to vote counting. They stood behind it with no shame whatsoever, even cheering him on if his lying and manipulation helped their cause. But now they're 'shocked and appalled'. Not after all the outrageous shit he pulled with real world consequences, no this is too much Donald! How could he ever be so deceitful?!
He has been outright lying for the entire duration of the presidency on almost all if not every subject. From the crowd size at his presidential inauguration to vote counting. They stood behind it with no shame whatsoever, even cheering him on if his lying and manipulation helped their cause. But now they're 'shocked and appalled'. Not after all the outrageous shit he pulled with real world consequences, no this is too much Donald! How could he ever be so deceitful?!
amusing? it worked like that since forever. the ship seems to be sinking, so rats do what rats do.Larssen wrote:
What I find most amusing is all the republicans now coming out of the woodwork 'shocked' at the president's unsubstantiated and unfounded statements on vote counting.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
probably worth stressing that most republicans still haven't said shit about that. the entire world was watching as the incumbent president called the election a 'victory' prematurely and announced that the rest was 'a fraud'. the whole world just watched a president mock the democratic process ... and the majority of republicans haven't said shit. they're still toeing the party line.Larssen wrote:
What I find most amusing is all the republicans now coming out of the woodwork 'shocked' at the president's unsubstantiated and unfounded statements on vote counting.
He has been outright lying for the entire duration of the presidency on almost all if not every subject. From the crowd size at his presidential inauguration to vote counting. They stood behind it with no shame whatsoever, even cheering him on if his lying and manipulation helped their cause. But now they're 'shocked and appalled'. Not after all the outrageous shit he pulled with real world consequences, no this is too much Donald! How could he ever be so deceitful?!
legal action actually worked at least once in the past, right? in bush vs gore case? maybe they are planning on trying something like that.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
if i recall correctly, bush vs gore came down to one state, florida (where bush's brother was the governor, natch). that's where the so-called 'brooks brothers riot' occurred.
in this case, the path to a biden victory is taking place pretty handily over 3/4 states, with multiple combinations for biden to edge the necessary electoral college votes. the legal route for trump to win the election via disputes is incredibly narrow and doubtful. judges in several states where they have filed claims have already thrown out the claims as rubbish and essentially nonsense. to get it to the supreme court, he has to at at least have a credibly filed claim somewhere.
i think at this point trump is just posturing to try and save face with the legal battle thing. it's almost certainly a lost cause.
in this case, the path to a biden victory is taking place pretty handily over 3/4 states, with multiple combinations for biden to edge the necessary electoral college votes. the legal route for trump to win the election via disputes is incredibly narrow and doubtful. judges in several states where they have filed claims have already thrown out the claims as rubbish and essentially nonsense. to get it to the supreme court, he has to at at least have a credibly filed claim somewhere.
i think at this point trump is just posturing to try and save face with the legal battle thing. it's almost certainly a lost cause.
Fun, fun.
Steve Bannon’s podcast barred from Twitter after he made beheading comment about Fauci, FBI Director Wray
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Steve Bannon’s podcast barred from Twitter after he made beheading comment about Fauci, FBI Director Wray
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/05/steve-b … cast-.html
Donald Trump Jr. calls for 'total war' over election votes. That's beyond irresponsibleA spokeswoman for Bannon said that he was not suggesting that Fauci and Wray actually be beheaded, but was speaking metaphorically by referencing the bloody politics of Tudor-era England. She also said he has “never called for violence of any kind.”
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“Now I actually want to go a step farther, but I realize the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man,” Bannon continued.
“I’d actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England, I’d put the heads on pikes, right, I’d put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats. You either get with the program or you’re gone – time to stop playing games.”
“Blow it all up, put Ric Grenell today as the interim head of the FBI, that’ll light them up, right,” Bannon said.
Grenell is a hard-core Trump loyalist who served as former acting director of national intelligence and ambassador to Germany.
Bannon’s co-host Jack Maxey then said, “You know what, Steve, just yesterday there was the anniversary of the hanging of two Tories in Philadelphia, these were Quaker businessmen who had cohabitated, if you will, with the British while they were occupying Philadelphia.”
“These people were hung. This is what we used to do to traitors,” Maxey said.
Bannon replied, “That’s how you won the revolution. No one wants to talk about it.”
“The [American] revolution wasn’t some sort of garden party, right?” Bannon said. “It was a civil war. It was a civil war.”
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I'm not really looking forward to hearing calls to violence from colleagues, family, and whatnot in part thanks to these irresponsible twits.Fighting through the courts is one thing.
President Trump is within his right to challenge the process, as he has done in key battleground states. A flurry of lawsuits have been filed in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Nevada alleging ballot misconduct and in some cases demanding recounts and access to the vote counting process.
That’s already happening, so that can’t be what Trump Jr. means. The conclusion can only be that he is calling supporters to “total war.”
That’s the danger.
Trump’s so-called “patriots” are already showing up at election centers armed to the teeth. The Second Amendment to the U.S Constitution gives them the right to carry arms, but some states like Arizona have open-carry laws that give people the right to flaunt them.
Slowest election in history? What is going on in those states counting only some 10% of votes a day...
in places like georgia there's still tranches of ballots from, for e.g., overseas servicemen.
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oh my god, these two tweets. the trump campaign are sending bullying emails asking for money/donations for his legal battle ... except half of the donated amount will go to pay off his campaign debt.
a pure fucking huckster slimeball to the end.
https://twitter.com/rickhasen/status/13 … 46725?s=20
oh my god, these two tweets. the trump campaign are sending bullying emails asking for money/donations for his legal battle ... except half of the donated amount will go to pay off his campaign debt.
a pure fucking huckster slimeball to the end.
He's a strong leader!
I don't know whether to be out of pity for anyone who buys into that or feel sad that people would still give this guy money after his campaign calls them pond scum.uziq wrote:
https://twitter.com/DavidCayJ/status/1324826939731988485?s=20
https://twitter.com/rickhasen/status/13 … 46725?s=20
oh my god, these two tweets. the trump campaign are sending bullying emails asking for money/donations for his legal battle ... except half of the donated amount will go to pay off his campaign debt.
a pure fucking huckster slimeball to the end.
Where's all the fucks who were mad about Hillary's band of deplorables comment? "ShE MeAnT AlL WhItE MeN!!!11~2"
I hope those guys in the state legislatures of the battleground states who voted down calls for early ballot processing are kept up day and night by what's happening now. I don't even know what the arguments were to do so but I can't imagine them being anything other than fucking dumb.
With a Biden presidency, I can't wait to respond to someone with "he's still your president" after four years of that silliness.
I hope all the rumors are true that Trump owes millions to various nefarious groups that he promised to pay back with political power that he no longer has. Now that he is so far in debt, both financially to groups that helped him with his campaign and politically to shady overseas governments, his life catches up with him.
i miss jay. my favourite part was when he kept insisting trump was best and covid was no big deal.
I feel a little conflicted towards this because beyond the official duties and responsibilities of a presidency, a cultural respect for and understanding of that position is also integral to the functioning of government and democracy. This gets complicated when an orange buffoon occupies the position, but still...unnamednewbie13 wrote:
With a Biden presidency, I can't wait to respond to someone with "he's still your president" after four years of that silliness.
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I think it was less about disrespecting the office and more about disrespecting the man sitting in it, who disrespects the office. Republicans should be near universally chagrined at his behavior and the stain he created on the presidency, but so many stood by it.
What I meant by that previous comment is I'm going to be sitting on that rejoinder for awhile, waiting for the opportunity to fire it off after someone who often used it spends 15 minutes whining about Biden to me. I hope the irony isn't lost on them.
@uzique Didn't Jay usually clarify that he was a libertarian or whatever?
What I meant by that previous comment is I'm going to be sitting on that rejoinder for awhile, waiting for the opportunity to fire it off after someone who often used it spends 15 minutes whining about Biden to me. I hope the irony isn't lost on them.
@uzique Didn't Jay usually clarify that he was a libertarian or whatever?
a pro-trump libertarian, of course. like shahter is a putin-abetting communist. they all make so much sense!
So I was speaking to my parents about the election, specifically to shine light on anything they found "odd" in order to head off any conspiratorial thinking. They both voted for Biden as far as I know, but getting to their actual reasons led to some disturbing revelations. My mom's complaint issue with Trump was basically that he is indecorous and crass. She said "I could support him based on what he's done for the economy if he was had more class." This is worrying because apparently she's primed to support a more polished type of autocrat.
I pressed her on what specific economic policies she thought were good. The tax cuts for the super-wealthy, perhaps? A group of which my parents are not a part. I began to enumerate how this administration was far and away rotten to the core in terms of self-dealing behavior to which my mom replied with the ol' enlightened centrist chestnut that "I think all politicians are the same." I asked her to provide an example of how, Barack Obama for instance, had a comparable self-interest to no avail and said she was just providing cover to the worst of them by not looking at the nuances and making such a sweeping statement. I asked for who she did like as well, and she right away named Ronald Reagan (I guess because he had "class"), although she seems unaware of his administration being instrumental in the reason she and my dad both had to work as the middle class stagnated. She also seemed to have no recollection of Iran-Contra, which is disconcerting for someone who was alive at that time to say.
My dad then seemingly sensed she was being backed into a corner of admitting ignorance and changed the subject. I do now wish I had asked a pointed question of how they perceive me. I wonder if they think I changed into some sort of soyboy lib through college. They still to this day (for instance with regard to BLM protests) tell me I don't know how the "real world" works. Boomers are frustrating.
I pressed her on what specific economic policies she thought were good. The tax cuts for the super-wealthy, perhaps? A group of which my parents are not a part. I began to enumerate how this administration was far and away rotten to the core in terms of self-dealing behavior to which my mom replied with the ol' enlightened centrist chestnut that "I think all politicians are the same." I asked her to provide an example of how, Barack Obama for instance, had a comparable self-interest to no avail and said she was just providing cover to the worst of them by not looking at the nuances and making such a sweeping statement. I asked for who she did like as well, and she right away named Ronald Reagan (I guess because he had "class"), although she seems unaware of his administration being instrumental in the reason she and my dad both had to work as the middle class stagnated. She also seemed to have no recollection of Iran-Contra, which is disconcerting for someone who was alive at that time to say.
My dad then seemingly sensed she was being backed into a corner of admitting ignorance and changed the subject. I do now wish I had asked a pointed question of how they perceive me. I wonder if they think I changed into some sort of soyboy lib through college. They still to this day (for instance with regard to BLM protests) tell me I don't know how the "real world" works. Boomers are frustrating.
My experience is that self-proclaimed conservatives don't like providing the specifics on why they support Republican policies. I think sometimes they just don't have any examples, and are going off of how they've been told to feel. "I've been told that Hillary called me a deplorable," oft cited as recent proof that Democrats hate America. On the local level at least I can understand someone not wanting a state income tax on top of a local sales tax.
Yes, some self-proclaimed liberals also sometimes go off of "feelings" as well and are unable to back up their views with anything but that and facial expressions and side-eyes. Schools don't really teach people how to make arguments. Maybe it's that it's just not part of the curriculum. Maybe teachers just don't know how to either. High school civics (I've mentioned this in years past) was a pretty big joke. Teacher's idea of debate was to quiz kids on their "political viewpoints" and then heckle them for the remainder of the semester on anything he didn't agree with. Hearts and minds …
"Reagan had class, he was a charmer" is one of the endless refrains of the Republican boomer. Also "he really helped out my business" coming from some folks who were driven to living in their cars at the time. Blows the mind.
Yes, some self-proclaimed liberals also sometimes go off of "feelings" as well and are unable to back up their views with anything but that and facial expressions and side-eyes. Schools don't really teach people how to make arguments. Maybe it's that it's just not part of the curriculum. Maybe teachers just don't know how to either. High school civics (I've mentioned this in years past) was a pretty big joke. Teacher's idea of debate was to quiz kids on their "political viewpoints" and then heckle them for the remainder of the semester on anything he didn't agree with. Hearts and minds …
"Reagan had class, he was a charmer" is one of the endless refrains of the Republican boomer. Also "he really helped out my business" coming from some folks who were driven to living in their cars at the time. Blows the mind.