This is what I mean when I say that teaching people history has probably made us worse off.
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The whole argument of praising 'the economy!' or even specific economic policies is rather disingenuous. It was hardly the core of Trump's platform or performance and ordinary voters without any knowledge of economics weren't swayed by Trump's treatises on the economy. His entire presidency instead defined by the creation of enemies outside and inside. 'Build a wall', 'they're not sending their best', 'crooked hillary', 'drain the swamp', 'the deep state', 'they're laughing at us', 'they're cheating us' - this just being a small number of the slogans underpinning his MAGA 'philosophy'. According to Trump, America is great and fantastic, but beleaguered by immigrants, foreign nations, and a corrupt conspiracy on the inside (headed by hillary & obama) dulling its shine and making it fail. Throughout his presidency this remained a recurring theme in everything he did.DesertFox- wrote:
So I was speaking to my parents about the election, specifically to shine light on anything they found "odd" in order to head off any conspiratorial thinking. They both voted for Biden as far as I know, but getting to their actual reasons led to some disturbing revelations. My mom's complaint issue with Trump was basically that he is indecorous and crass. She said "I could support him based on what he's done for the economy if he was had more class." This is worrying because apparently she's primed to support a more polished type of autocrat.
I pressed her on what specific economic policies she thought were good. The tax cuts for the super-wealthy, perhaps? A group of which my parents are not a part. I began to enumerate how this administration was far and away rotten to the core in terms of self-dealing behavior to which my mom replied with the ol' enlightened centrist chestnut that "I think all politicians are the same." I asked her to provide an example of how, Barack Obama for instance, had a comparable self-interest to no avail and said she was just providing cover to the worst of them by not looking at the nuances and making such a sweeping statement. I asked for who she did like as well, and she right away named Ronald Reagan (I guess because he had "class"), although she seems unaware of his administration being instrumental in the reason she and my dad both had to work as the middle class stagnated. She also seemed to have no recollection of Iran-Contra, which is disconcerting for someone who was alive at that time to say.
My dad then seemingly sensed she was being backed into a corner of admitting ignorance and changed the subject. I do now wish I had asked a pointed question of how they perceive me. I wonder if they think I changed into some sort of soyboy lib through college. They still to this day (for instance with regard to BLM protests) tell me I don't know how the "real world" works. Boomers are frustrating.
In his new introduction to The Loudest Voice in the Room: How the Brilliant, Bombastic Roger Ailes Built Fox News – and Divided a Country, Gabriel Sherman suggests that I wouldn’t have been quite so stupid if I’d been watching Fox News (or if I’d read his book when it first came out in 2014). Before Trump announced that he was running for president, he had his own segment – ‘Monday Mornings with Trump’ – on the show Fox and Friends. He liked to call in rather than appear in person, as though he were too busy dealmaking to travel the half mile between Trump Tower and the Fox studios.
Brian Stelter’s new book, Hoax: Donald Trump, Fox News and the Dangerous Distortion of Truth (One Signal, $28), argues that ‘through the topics chosen by producers, through the coaching of the hosts, and through the feedback on Twitter, Trump learned how to be the Fox News president.’ ‘People think he’s calling up Fox and Friends and telling us what to say,’ a former producer told Stelter. ‘Hell no. It’s the opposite. We tell him what to say.’ Trump has never disappointed them – on race, immigration, healthcare, climate change, China and Israel – though the newsroom was divided on whether he should bomb Iran, so he had to choose between the talk show hosts Tucker Carlson (against bombing) and Sean Hannity (all for it). Trump is known to watch so much Fox News (up to seven hours a day, coded on his schedule as ‘executive time’) that some advertisers – farmers seeking subsidies, airlines opposed to foreign subsidies, the National Biodiesel Board – have produced commercials just for him. White House aides, who refer to Hannity as the ‘shadow chief of staff’, watch Fox News in order to know Trump’s mind. To nudge him on policy, they try to book particular officials to speak directly to him on his favourite shows. The guests Trump especially likes – they praise him, they ‘look the part’ – are made ambassadors, or put on the Coronavirus Task Force.
When Rupert Murdoch started the network in 1996, he tapped the media strategist Roger Ailes and gave him editorial control. Ailes had spent years teaching Republicans how to look better on TV before deciding it would be more efficient just to become a news producer himself: there were a ‘hundred ways to spin the news’, he said, and liberal journalists – a tautology, since all journalists were liberal – didn’t even realise they were doing it. For twenty years, before he was ousted for sexual harassment, Ailes turned conservative talk radio hosts into Fox News presenters, and hired reporters who were usually either ‘newbies’ (malleable) or ‘has-beens’ (loyal). He saved money by not having expensive foreign bureaus – his viewers didn’t care about the Balkans – but didn’t stint on the make-up department: female presenters were to be blonde and leggy, ideally former beauty queens like Gretchen Carlson (Miss America 1989), who filed the first harassment lawsuit against Ailes in 2016. Nicole Kidman played her in the movie Bombshell.
After 9/11, when Fox News became a 24-hour sales pitch for the war in Iraq, there was little check on it: the Federal Communications Commission had abolished the ‘fairness doctrine’ decades before, when conservatives ruled that government regulations requiring ‘balance’ were an attack on both freedom of speech and property rights (my TV station, my way), and the doctrine had never fully applied to cable (as opposed to broadcast) news anyway. Fox News is also insensitive to advertiser boycotts: they make money so long as people keep watching it, or – even if they never watch it – keep buying cable packages that include the channel. Murdoch has signalled that he doesn’t care for Trump personally, but as long as Fox News is on track to make $2 billion a year he won’t interfere. It’s now the most watched cable news network in America and the highest rated TV channel, cable or otherwise, during the prime-time hours of 8 to 11 p.m.
For Ailes, the election of Barack Obama was the ‘Alamo’, ‘the worst thing’ that could happen to America. If you watched Fox News, Barack Hussein Obama (they liked using his full name) was a racist with a ‘deep-seated hatred for white people’, who as a child in Indonesia had been indoctrinated at a madrassa funded by ‘Saudis’. While he was president, a Marxist-Islamist takeover of America was always imminent. On Fox and Friends, Trump would ask questions about Obama’s birth certificate – did it exist? In the afternoon Glenn Beck would suggest that the Federal Emergency Management Agency might be building concentration camps to house Obama’s opponents. Beck eventually walked that back and was rewarded with a series of death threats.
In the run-up to the last presidential election, Fox News told its millions of viewers that Clinton was headed to prison for mishandling her emails, if she didn’t die first, because she was lying about her health. (‘If the liberals are evil and they’re ruining America and they’re turning your children gay and they’re persecuting Christians,’ a former Fox News commentator told Stelter, ‘then aren’t you justified in the way you’re behaving?’) In the years that followed, there was no Trumpian scandal that Fox News presenters couldn’t explain away. Impeachment was said to be a deep state coup to undo the presidential election. Children separated from their parents at the southern border were being held in ‘summer camps’ – that’s if they weren’t, as Ann Coulter alleged, ‘child actors’. Last March, Fox News hosts reported that Covid-19 wasn’t anything like as dangerous as people were saying and that Democrats were trying to ‘bludgeon Trump with this new hoax’, even as the network was deep-cleaning its New York offices and building home studios for its stars. After Trump declared a state of emergency, Hannity said the president’s foresight in instituting a travel ban had saved tens of thousands of American lives (later upgraded to millions). ‘I used to kid around and say, if Trump cured cancer, they would impeach him for that. Well, I don’t think I was too far off.’
Two weeks before the election, the top story on Fox and Friends is that Joe Biden’s son Hunter – or so says Rudy Giuliani – has taken bribes from China and Ukraine, and there’s now supposedly evidence unearthed on an old laptop that he’s given kickbacks to his father. But then they say Biden is only a puppet who’s already showing signs of dementia. If he becomes president, the country will actually be run by the ‘radical socialists’ Kamala Harris and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who intend, Laura Ingraham says, ‘to punish anyone who gets in the way of their cultural revolution’.
If the Democrats prevail, Fox News warns, Americans will be ruled by an ‘unholy alliance’ between ‘the billionaires and the Bolsheviks’: billionaires want to depress wages, so they’re in favour of opening the country’s borders to immigrants who’ll take American jobs and remake the culture. Meanwhile, the Bolsheviks will use ‘every tool in the government’s power to harass Americans who defy the socialist edicts. It’s going to be a long, dark period of recriminations and retribution.’ You won’t learn these truths in the New York Times or on CNN. Only Fox News can be trusted. More than half its viewers say there is nothing Trump could do that would ever cause them not to vote for him.
Jay clarified that Jay was for whatever delivered best for Jay.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
@uzique Didn't Jay usually clarify that he was a libertarian or whatever?
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I stay off conservative subreddits since those are Warman 2009 bad. I have taken a peak at Breitbart which is in conspiracy meltdown. National Review meanwhile is significantly calmer. The loudest pro-Trump people have been kind of silenced as a result of NR writers not signing up for Trump's conspiracy theories and rightfully blaming him for his loss. The common mood among the more moderate or never Trump Republicans is that this outcome is perfect. Biden didn't get a broad mandate and is personally uninterested in doing anything big with government anyway. Nobody likes Harris and she will be unable to capitalize on Biden's time in office. I will accept their arguments that they just want to lower the temperature of things and Trump's wasn't going to do that. I think the argument regarding divided government is what Jay would go with.DesertFox- wrote:
I've been looking at various conservative subreddits recently to see their reactions thus far. Of the ones who aren't in denial or full of conspiratorial voter fraud talk, the reactions are still odd. I've seen a lot of talk that Joe Biden is dementia-addled and not going to last the term. They've said that their fear is of that or he will be sidelined and the whole shadow government will be run by Harris, who apparently is a hardcore leftist. Also, THEY are gonna be coming for your guns again, so at least that's a comforting old fave.
I linked a story about that threat the other day. They claimed that wasn't what he meant. But listening to the audio it sounded like what he meant.SuperJail Warden wrote:
This is what I mean when I say that teaching people history has probably made us worse off.
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I feel at least somewhat vindicated about having mentioned stuff like conservative talk radio personalities and the abolishment of the fairness doctrine as net negatives and just getting blinked at on this forum.uziq wrote:
re: the above.In his new introduction to The Loudest Voice in the Room: How the Brilliant, Bombastic Roger Ailes Built Fox News – and Divided a Country, Gabriel Sherman suggests that I wouldn’t have been quite so stupid if I’d been watching Fox News (or if I’d read his book when it first came out in 2014). Before Trump announced that he was running for president, he had his own segment – ‘Monday Mornings with Trump’ – on the show Fox and Friends. He liked to call in rather than appear in person, as though he were too busy dealmaking to travel the half mile between Trump Tower and the Fox studios.
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I think there will be a lot of bumper stickers stating "he's not my president."Larssen wrote:
I'm also curious to see how his cult will react in the face of a defeat it cannot process. Will we still hear the sons & daughter exclaim for 'war' on the democrats? Let's see...
I think Trump will treat the White House like a trashy evicted tenant. Steal the silverware and physically trash the place.Larssen wrote:
I expect he will not give a concession speech or work with Biden to ensure a smooth transition, at the minimum. I have no idea what else he will try but it will certainly include:
- Repeated tantrums on twitter and in speeches about how the election was fraudulent & stolen
- No admittance of defeat whatsoever
- Accusations of corrupt and politically motivated courts when they reject his legal appeals
- Lots of leaks about conniving behind the WH doors on what options he has to stay in power
- Maybe he kicks over a bust or two in the WH in a fit of rage
Nr. 4 will be interesting. I'm also curious to see how his cult will react in the face of a defeat it cannot process. Will we still hear the sons & daughter exclaim for 'war' on the democrats? Let's see...
David Foster Wallace had a good easy about his experience with a conservative talk show host during the Clinton years in the Consider the Lobster collection.uziq wrote:
i think the role of conservative talk show and the rise of cable networks/laxer regulations has been a well-understood part of the right-wing's ascent.
i can't remember where i read this, but i have specifically read a very good essay on the influence of conservative talkshow hosts, radio, the relaxing of the cable networks, the spread of the pundit class, etc. it might have been an n+1 affiliated thing, like an essay collection by joshua cohen or mark greif thing.
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