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lmao the musical cats was not conceived in 1939.

t. s. eliot’s poetry has only the most tendentious relationship with the musical.

his widow approved the musical: he was dead. in fact by all accounts his estate has been extremely tightly controlled and he didn’t want adaptations of his work anywhere. he didn’t want an official biography and he didn’t want his letters to be published. everything in his lifetime indicates that he did not want publicity. and he certainly didn’t want for money.

his widow made an exception for the musical because ALW charmed the senile old biddy to death and promised a large royalty cheque for eliot’s publishing house, of which he was the main editor, at faber & faber.

i’d hardly say therefore the musical or disastrous movie were ‘conceived’ in 1939. poets write whimsy and nonsense all the time. it was fashionable in the early 20th century and had somewhat of a pedigree. think lewis carroll and c. s. lewis. so far as i know, the poems were intended for his godchildren – not broadway.

lol at dilbert linking t. s. eliot, high modernist prelate and one of the most elitist art-types imaginable. i am fucking amused.

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-18 23:31:01)

yes and it’s link to the musical numbers you like is TENDENTIOUS at best.

an infirm old widow being charmed at the piano by ALW (this actually happened) has no relevance to a poetry collection published in 1939.

why you even invoke the man’s work or name when he stands for literally everything you despise about arts - elitism, bloodlessness, ascetism, intense anglican spirituality - is just funny.

have you ever considered maybe you’re autistic? most of your life revolves around cats and now you’re arguing over 1939 poetry collections so that you can justify liking a camp musical and getting an erection over furry-CGI taylor swift.

the poetry wasn’t ‘weird’, it was whimsy written for children. maybe stop and take that in. composed. for. CHILDREN.

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-19 00:31:33)

I'm surprised macbeth isn't more into Cats, since it involves a small furry animal dying at the end. There's a payoff there where American Psycho backed off.

I dunno about that, hasn't Cats already played in a bunch of European countries?

Well now that's harsh uzi. I do think tenet was fairly good. If your previous point was how timefuckery is absolutely not a novel concept and that nolan is recycling it so much that it gets boring - both true. Though I liked the specific variation and visualisation in tenet, i.e. characters moving forwards and backwards in time in parallel.

I'm sure cats played in cinemas here as the US always wants to export its garbage, but the story and background to it, I've never heard of this.

Last edited by Larssen (2021-01-19 01:58:54)

cats is a british musical and the movie had a british director.

it’s an internationally famous musical with long runs in many countries.

i despise musicals, my least favourite thing possibly ever, their lineage goes back to music halls full of plebeian trash, but i don’t think we can categorise it as ‘US trash’.

po-faced, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual movies that are obsessed with their own monumentality, however: now nolan really is an american exemplum there.

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-19 02:45:21)

why are you mentioning ww2 in a discussion of cats? i mean i think it’s terrible shit but i don’t quite think we have to invoke the nazis and the american war dead.

i think we can all safely conclude that there’s something about cats, cats fans, and cat people generally that is deeply weird and maladjusted. some diverted energies somewhere. possibly autism. possibly infertility. definitely terminal avoidance from females.

uziq wrote:

why are you mentioning ww2 in a discussion of cats? i mean i think it’s terrible shit but i don’t quite think we have to invoke the nazis and the american war dead.

i think we can all safely conclude that there’s something about cats, cats fans, and cat people generally that is deeply weird and maladjusted. some diverted energies somewhere. possibly autism. possibly infertility. definitely terminal avoidance from females.

It's more of a soft grudge than anything that really makes sense in terms of Cats. Larssen talking about US garbage exports shifted the topic before I did.

It's that I've got family that had night terrors and personality disorders thanks to the war, until the end of their days. Yet here comes a European shitting on the US for a play we didn't even write. "The US likes exporting its garbage."

And if one of those close call stories (rarely talked about) went worse than what happened, I may not have even existed.

Probably unnecessary. I'm over it.

lol..

lol ffs. please don't insult bad american cultural exports because my grandfather gets night sweats from his time at omaha beach.

the antecedent to musicals in the UK is the music hall or cabaret.

opera might have had plebeian origins in italy but definitely not in anglophone countries.

cats isn't exactly the covent garden or glyndebourne.