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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

feelings. romance, family, or interpersonal drama

Soap opera - you like soap opera

Soap operas contribute far more to society, even the arts if you want to be generous to all involved, in telling human stories and dramas than superhero movies do rehashing cheap DC morals and unrelatable tales of characters with unattainable superpowers. Not that Batman crouching on a gargoyle can't be a cool, nostalgic scene on its own. In small, reasonable doses.

It makes more sense to more regularly identify with characters going through human ups or downs in their lives than to constantly latch onto some leotard fighting out in space like Goku. Someone who just unexpectedly lost a loved one to a traffic accident, immensely more impactful than big purple man snapping fingers.

I think if we want to call anything backwards looking babble, one of the first things we can look at is this superhero genre.



An aside, technically brilliant, though of course problematic. Similarly I suppose to Leni Riefenstahl talent bent towards Nazi German propaganda.

Is it really grasping though? There's some pretty interesting takes and insider stories about the comic book industry throughout its history. Connections between the Birth of a Nation stuff and superhero fare hasn't only been pointed out in Moore's interview. Other comic writers, bloggers, historians have pointed it out. Secret identities, hidden costumes. The portrayal of klansmen as romantic vigilantes even in the source book.

Movie still relevant as a reference for the destructive potential media can have on a culture and people's views.

(Interestingly, when the film came out, the civil war hadn't even been that long ago. A bit like making a Vietnam movie today.)

e: I don't think it should naturally extend that the power puff girl whose space scene made you weep tears of empowerment should be viewed as unabashed white supremacist propaganda or whatever (I still haven't seen it, so maybe it is?), but maybe it's interesting to know some of the roots of your favorite genre.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

I don't think backwards looking babble has contributed anything to society.

yes, comic book movies, notoriously forward looking.

can’t wait for the next exciting instalment of ww2-era superman or 70s mutant in a leotard!

the point of my selection was that these themes are perennial. ancient greek audiences were interested in them. pre-modern elizabethans were interested in them. modern people were/are interested in them. you could add to faulkner as a 21st century update the names jonathan franzen/sally rooney, modern publishing sensations, or any number of modern australian writers/directors working today. to make out they are 'old and irrelevant' interests is just funny.

joel coen, one of the main directors/producers working in the american movie biz today, just released a macbeth movie this year, its topped out all of the end-of-year lists.



starring multiple oscar-winning actors like denzel washington and frances mcdormand. definitely irrelevant. yep.

you do realize most comic book archetypes and plot conceits are ripped straight from the pantheon of ancient greek myth or tragedy, right? and isn't Dune a bit, well, soap opera with that huge love subplot?

Dilbert clearly Knows Best. from his couch in wattanooga he has the most realistic point-of-view on movies and What People Like.

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-08 17:27:40)

what does it feel like to be so consistently wrong and dumbheaded about almost everything?

you do realize there's more to the world than marvel movies and movies 'knocked out' to make a few billion to make a 'profit purely' from barely literate chinese audiences?

what does it feel like being pandered to, condescended to, really, by simplistic fictions watered down so that your beloved movie stars and their studios can filch the pockets of 1.3 billion chinese movie-goers, whom they care about much more than your over-invested little nerd ass?

and ah, yes, again the 'can't create anything new' line. when you are speaking implicitly from a position in defense of your own tastes, that is, comic book movies and sci-fi, this is really a bit fucking rich, don't you think? you do know that comics and sci-fi both came out of massive pulp industries, right, wherein everyone was ripping off the classics, adapting them, and cribbing each other's work? comics were literally cobbled together on toilet-grade paper and re-presented staple character archetypes/conventional plots/etc. adapted for a barely literate mass audience. to keep going on and on about 'originality' when you like COMIC BOOK MOVIES is fucking hilarious. the comic industry, with a few notable exceptions, has been one of the least original, most unscrupulous and opportunistic, creative INDUSTRIES (note the word) in the whole 20th/21st century.

if you want highly original work, you'll have to look to the experimental side of things or the avant-garde. which you are obviously not interested in whatsoever. or, you know, you could watch the movies presented by new, breakthrough directors or different points-of-view, such as minari, which you are also not interested in doing, either. you like to have classical plotlines and rehashed greek myths presented to you in a veneer of novelty. 'it's so original!'

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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

you do realise this is also the basic topic of greek tragedy, shakespeare and william faulkner right?

Three things no-one has given a shit about for years now.

Dilbert_X wrote:

You do know that people are knocking out dreary micro-films that don't make a profit purely for the oscar chase?

Macbeth version 11592 - What hot takes are in that one I wonder? Can't wait to see.

People keep running, making, funding, and consuming that stuff. Obviously people are interested in it. Comic books themselves trod very well rutted roads, borrowing from past literatures and rehashing concepts and ideas, from even within their own circles.

Spiderman version 11592, might as well.

What are you even talking about itt.

Thats the thing about literature nerds, they can't create anything, only endlessly rehash other people's work.

Says the engineer, literally standing on the shoulders of giants.

Comic books: "Magneto, but from the 156th dimension and he's also a vampire, and his Charles is a werewolf."
Dilbert: "There are too many Shakespeare movies and nobody is interested in classic literature."

Dilbert_X wrote:

I'm only 'wrong' according to you.

and, erhm, the millions of people who do go to see these movies, who still pack out cinemas, theatres, who still buy novels in considerable numbers; to say nothing of the critics who watch them, rate them, talk about them, list them on end-of-year lists ...

i mean, if something is on the new yorker's 'top movies of 2021' list, or the sound & sight magazine poll, can it really be only me who is watching it?

perhaps you're just cozened by your own ignorance and a self-satisfied, smug little teenager?

I don't care really, you're the one perpetually shitting on things you don't personally like.

uziq wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I'm only 'wrong' according to you.

and, erhm, the millions of people who do go to see these movies, who still pack out cinemas, theatres, who still buy novels in considerable numbers; to say nothing of the critics who watch them, rate them, talk about them, list them on end-of-year lists ...

i mean, if something is on the new yorker's 'top movies of 2021' list, or the sound & sight magazine poll, can it really be only me who is watching it?

A small minority of other people have different tastes, doesn't mean mine are 'wrong'

perhaps you're just cozened by your own ignorance and a self-satisfied, smug little teenager?

Which of us hasn't got past the toddler's "I'm so clever and everyone else is stupid" complex.

You're the one who spends literally all his time pissing on things he doesn't think are 'valid' or whatever, when typically you're going on other people's opinions having not experienced them yourself.

Good luck.