SuperJail Warden
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Sometimes deer from State Island end up in my city. They swim across the bay. I have seen pictures of them swimming that bay to get to NJ.
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unnamednewbie13
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I'm pretty convinced the ones in Valheim spend most of their time in the water trying to evolve into whales.

Re: hunting pics, pretty ghoulish but at least hunters try and go for a clean kill (beats slogging through the woods after a wounded animal). Since we cleaned out a lot of these animals' predators, one could consider it an act of environmentalism.

Canned pigeon shoots, cock fights, and torturing ungulates at grand events full of a bunch of sloshed rubberneckers all have a less convincing place in the natural order.

What the NRA is fighting for:

https://theirturn.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/pigeon-shoot.jpg

https://storage.googleapis.com/gop-images/full/images-dDznm7TynAyCwatP5-Pigeon_Blog_main_blog.jpg

SuperJail Warden
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I am not convinced by that "protecting the environment" line. If the animals over produce eventually the population will stabilize on its own once the food becomes scarce.


If the animals become a genuine problem by encroaching residential neighborhoods then that is a problem. A problem I would want solved by hiring professional hunters and not letting hobbyist do it. Why? Because their hobby is stupid and they need help if killing things gets them hard. Fucking weirdos.
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unnamednewbie13
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It isn't without its problems. Hunters want the best looking kills and cull animals in their prime rather than the old and the sick. More practical would be to encourage the return of predators we drove out of a lot of these places, so they can do the job they evolved for. But that isn't without pushback.

Allowing them to overpopulate into disease and starvation seems a little cruel. Also a zoonotic risk.
SuperJail Warden
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It doesn't seem cruel letting nature take its course. The deer probably would be happier in a system where they don't get hunted.

Speaking of nature...conservatives always say "you can't change human nature." We can't change human nature but we can shape the wilderness to our needs?
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unnamednewbie13
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Wasting away to hunger and illness is highly miserable, but this is getting off track from like three points ago.
SuperJail Warden
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I rather die of old age, disease, and starvation than have dudes with long rifles and cameras trying to shoot me because they think my species overpopulated the place.


Oh wait that actually does happen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting
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unnamednewbie13
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I'm not sure of a deer's ability to cogitate preferred deaths. Memes about headlights aside, they're mostly going to do their best to live. Hunting for cull is an imperfect way to manage populations sans natural predation for sustenance, for reasons mentioned, and more plainly that we're just bad at it. But short of reintroducing predators, which probably just won't happen in some areas, it's probably better than having more deer pushed into neighborhoods by their own population bloat, and being a vector for Lyme disease for everyone there. Or worse.

Do you still want to travel to Spain to take part in and fund cattle torture? Maybe you can get your picture taken there for the 'gram.
SuperJail Warden
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I will not be posting the pictures of the bull dying with swords stuck in it.

This doesn't look fun?
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unnamednewbie13
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Hard pass. Hanging out with drunken, violent animal torturers in a city overcrowded with tourists doesn't look fun at all. And the two events, as I've mentioned, are connected.

If you want to run in a group, join a marathon.
unnamednewbie13
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Imagine if there were a less frantically cruel way to experience world culture than being a part of keeping this shit alive.

Is there nothing else in Europe that draws your interest?
uziq
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it's a lot of americans, so, by default, generally an un-fun time.

it was this way even in hemingway's day. they spoil all the fun things.
unnamednewbie13
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Macbeth considers visiting Europe maybe for the first time in his life (I don't know), but it's to batter and get battered around by a bunch of panicky bulls doomed to a bloody and violent end to the delight of jeering crowds. Rather than, you know, visiting the Vatican since he likes the Catholic Church so much.
uziq
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i can think of about 25 places i would rather go in europe before spain. it's not really my thing.
unnamednewbie13
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Macbeth on his way to Spain to enjoy and partake in the torment of bulls destined for a slow and painful skewering, with all the other drunken tourists:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/a6ppZr7ob8L6w/giphy.gif?cid=790b76113b802bf17501c5b6cc8932d2e1baf7de4989a7f2&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

At peace. Free, for the moment, from the blood sport that is American public education.
SuperJail Warden
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I have come to reclaim Spain for my people!
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Dilbert_X
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Macbeth considers visiting Europe maybe for the first time in his life (I don't know), but it's to batter and get battered around by a bunch of panicky bulls doomed to a bloody and violent end to the delight of jeering crowds. Rather than, you know, visiting the Vatican since he likes the Catholic Church so much.
Maybe I'll go to 'merica and participate in canned shoot, or live clay pigeon shoot with real pigeons.

This is how to soak up culture, 'merican culture anyway.
Fuck Israel
unnamednewbie13
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I mean I have spent any number of posts objecting to this stuff where it occurs in the United States. Isn't the rodeo scene in Australia rather significant? Should people fly to Australia to machine gun emus?
Cybargs
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I mean I have spent any number of posts objecting to this stuff where it occurs in the United States. Isn't the rodeo scene in Australia rather significant? Should people fly to Australia to machine gun emus?
no to the emus, yes to the feral horses, deer, and pigs.

texas did make helicopter hog hunting a tourism thing

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unnamednewbie13
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Learned their lesson with the emus, right. Better commanders on the birds' side, I've heard.
SuperJail Warden
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I know I have said this a million times but if your hobby requires you to kill something, get a new hobby. Weirdo.

What about Bull Fighting?
At least the bulls sometimes win. The matadors don't stand on a podium taking potshots at the bull while it feeds its young. Pisses me off that there is some hunter out there who proudly shares his story about killing a deer in front of its young. Killing the young in front of the mother. I saw a video once where some Syrian rebels killed a little girl while her parents watched then killed them. Savages. But the hunters who kill for sport aren't much better.
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unnamednewbie13
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You want to go run with the bulls, an event tied into the bullfighting. "Sometimes the bull wins" is the great, 'best' defense of it I hear apart from "it's a cultural thing!" Imagine reworking that into a defense of some other atrocity, like rape. "Well, sometimes the rapist gets shot, so it's still better than x y z things."
SuperJail Warden
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That's a bad analogy. The bulls were raised for this. They wouldn't exist otherwise. They get a moment to try to kill a matador and then die in their prime before old age sets. Komm susser Tod
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unnamednewbie13
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In some misogynistic viewpoints, it's what women are reduced to.

Seen that defense used for factory farming by the way. "Without this, as you put it, "horrible facility," these chickens wouldn't exist. We're a net positive!"
SuperJail Warden
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Well I don't feel that way about women. I am not Andrew Tate. And I am not tired.
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