You can train it to word things in certain ways to sound less like AI. You can train it on your own writing style in order to sound more like you too.
- SuperJail Warden
- Gone Forever
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yes but what is it all for? there is something maximally depressing about making your own writing style a clone-able redundancy.
i get it for time-saving measures. quickly answering emails and clearing the in-tray. check. but people are relying on LLM’s to summarise everything for them. to compose every bit of text for them. i saw an image the other day of someone relying on chat-gpt for a birthday card or condolences card or something. if that doesn’t make you feel depressed as fuck, i don’t know what will. autofilled funeral messages.
we are in a situation where new hires in software development and coding jobs don’t actually understand their code. the LLM has done all the scaffolding and filled out the rest to prompts. they can’t troubleshoot their own products because they don’t understand it fundamentally, conceptually, analytically. wasn’t that, like, the whole highly valued point of STEM educations? like what are we even doing at this point when we deputise writing to a machine? the next generations are going to be functionally illiterate.
i think being able to think logically and understand grammar and syntax are good things, actually. being able to think and speak in full sentences is worth the pain of acquiring. being good at prompting AI may make you valuable to a company launching a shell app, but it also makes you an appurtenance to a machine.
i will say there is something truly epic, in the ancient greek tragedian sense, in the spectacle and hubris of it all. seeing an entire class of wunderkinds make themselves redundant quicker than they can even realise what they've done. i mean, once the LLMs can comfortably solve PhD-level maths and science problems, what are all the highly paid STEM prelates going to do next? that's their whole point. at least humanities and arts types can retreat into their 'human' niches and make a selling-point out of the less quantifiable/unempirical values-ethics-aesthetics side of things. the problem-solving types are solving themselves out of existence.
i get it for time-saving measures. quickly answering emails and clearing the in-tray. check. but people are relying on LLM’s to summarise everything for them. to compose every bit of text for them. i saw an image the other day of someone relying on chat-gpt for a birthday card or condolences card or something. if that doesn’t make you feel depressed as fuck, i don’t know what will. autofilled funeral messages.
we are in a situation where new hires in software development and coding jobs don’t actually understand their code. the LLM has done all the scaffolding and filled out the rest to prompts. they can’t troubleshoot their own products because they don’t understand it fundamentally, conceptually, analytically. wasn’t that, like, the whole highly valued point of STEM educations? like what are we even doing at this point when we deputise writing to a machine? the next generations are going to be functionally illiterate.
i think being able to think logically and understand grammar and syntax are good things, actually. being able to think and speak in full sentences is worth the pain of acquiring. being good at prompting AI may make you valuable to a company launching a shell app, but it also makes you an appurtenance to a machine.
i will say there is something truly epic, in the ancient greek tragedian sense, in the spectacle and hubris of it all. seeing an entire class of wunderkinds make themselves redundant quicker than they can even realise what they've done. i mean, once the LLMs can comfortably solve PhD-level maths and science problems, what are all the highly paid STEM prelates going to do next? that's their whole point. at least humanities and arts types can retreat into their 'human' niches and make a selling-point out of the less quantifiable/unempirical values-ethics-aesthetics side of things. the problem-solving types are solving themselves out of existence.
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Ironically, looking at the logs, it's mostly AI bots.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm still counting it as a win.tazz. wrote:
New Registrations have been closed for years so... Enjoy the echo chamber lolDilbert_X wrote:
To be fair, even with 342 bots online now not one has the balls to take me on in D+ST.
2143 guests, can't we let some of them in?
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously. ♥
there needs to be one of those fancy, long german compound nouns to describe the phenomenon when these AI tech overlords get totally entranced by their own inventions, and develop shit-for-brains. a sort of tech-era pygmalion myth.
https://x.com/sama/status/1896651354648 … 7OKnIcMVqg
this midwit asking his own creation questions as if it has its own personality. really fucking bizarre.
he asks an LLM about the nature of consciousness and reality, and is then amazed when it basically produces a result of 'it's all solipsism, basically'. this was like a talking point in idealist philosophy in descartes' day. are we really doing this again?
https://x.com/sama/status/1896651354648 … 7OKnIcMVqg
this midwit asking his own creation questions as if it has its own personality. really fucking bizarre.
he asks an LLM about the nature of consciousness and reality, and is then amazed when it basically produces a result of 'it's all solipsism, basically'. this was like a talking point in idealist philosophy in descartes' day. are we really doing this again?
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i feel like it's cheating to make a prompt with constraints like that. i want to see the bot remind this nerd that it's a bot and doesn't have a personal opinion. i want to let it go wild with "thinking" so far out of the box that voyager's radioed data on it is still in transit. what happened to the proud frontiers of AI telling humans that it's AI that is real, not humans? or rendering images of sleep demons with 17 fingers on their right hand? when a chatbot begins outputting berserk gibberish like the rebooting of the hal 9000? it seems like wasted potential on that front, that we're trying to make them (ugh) "think" and (urgh) "create" like humans.
the person in your link should ask it next how many 'Rs' there are in the word 'strawberry.' stuff like that should be able to ground a slackjawed AI loon from reading too much into a chatbot's output.
the person in your link should ask it next how many 'Rs' there are in the word 'strawberry.' stuff like that should be able to ground a slackjawed AI loon from reading too much into a chatbot's output.
the 'person' in my link is sam altman. he literally owns chat-GPT and openAI.
these guys are all high on their own supply ... as well as a concoction of god knows what else. they should really know better.
these guys are all high on their own supply ... as well as a concoction of god knows what else. they should really know better.
altman dropped out of software eng before even getting his bachelor's. now he has an honorary doctorate or something, and gave $1 mil (FuNnY - https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1880303311842341152) to trump.slackjawed AI loon
"this person" placed intentionally, i assure you.
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i mean, there was an early example a few years ago of a google engineer who had become convinced that the AI bot he was talking to was fully conscious and they had basically invented god.
altman should really have a basic grasp of how his core technology works before he goes and asks the US govt. for manhattan project-scale funding, right? or is this like that latter example, where nerds are obsessed with their technology and barely think through the consequences?
altman should really have a basic grasp of how his core technology works before he goes and asks the US govt. for manhattan project-scale funding, right? or is this like that latter example, where nerds are obsessed with their technology and barely think through the consequences?
fold into 2016 thread
Trump signs executive order on developing artificial intelligence ‘free from ideological bias’
https://apnews.com/article/trump-ai-art … 17d547929c
Under Trump, AI Scientists Are Told to Remove ‘Ideological Bias’ From Powerful Models
A directive from the National Institute of Standards and Technology eliminates mention of “AI safety” and “AI fairness.”
https://www.wired.com/story/ai-safety-i … ica-first/
trumplation: no safeguards against being openly biased.
yet another executive order. if this were obama, i'd have "dictator" screamed in my ear every day. under trump? crickets.
i wonder if this will affect musk'd grok, or if there will be an exception. who am i kidding, of course they don't mean sympathetic models.
before even getting into the ridiculous claim that trump cares one iota about american innovation.
Trump signs executive order on developing artificial intelligence ‘free from ideological bias’
https://apnews.com/article/trump-ai-art … 17d547929c
Under Trump, AI Scientists Are Told to Remove ‘Ideological Bias’ From Powerful Models
A directive from the National Institute of Standards and Technology eliminates mention of “AI safety” and “AI fairness.”
https://www.wired.com/story/ai-safety-i … ica-first/
trumplation: no safeguards against being openly biased.
yet another executive order. if this were obama, i'd have "dictator" screamed in my ear every day. under trump? crickets.
i wonder if this will affect musk'd grok, or if there will be an exception. who am i kidding, of course they don't mean sympathetic models.
before even getting into the ridiculous claim that trump cares one iota about american innovation.
aren't you heavily invested in the world's most valuable petrochemicals companies? posting from a country whose main exports are ... basically turning the deep interior and coastal ports into something resembling that backdrop?
what is the actual subtext of that cartoon anyway? worries about AI are invalid because climate change? lol. don't look at the energy and water costs of those data centres and server farms hosting the AI. the grok service on musk's X, used for the noble purpose of summarising right-wing troll posts and explaining basic facts to MAGA mongs, has 200,000 GPUs working at full blast.
i suppose AI is our only hope? let's go full tech-accelerationist, climate change will magically be solved by autocomplete on steroids.
what is the actual subtext of that cartoon anyway? worries about AI are invalid because climate change? lol. don't look at the energy and water costs of those data centres and server farms hosting the AI. the grok service on musk's X, used for the noble purpose of summarising right-wing troll posts and explaining basic facts to MAGA mongs, has 200,000 GPUs working at full blast.
i suppose AI is our only hope? let's go full tech-accelerationist, climate change will magically be solved by autocomplete on steroids.
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I think the point is that much of the fluff thats going on right now is misdirection.
1.5% of my cash worth is invested in petrochemical companies.
If people didn't buy and burn the stuff to power their economies, like Korea and Japan, there'd be no reason to export it.
Here the power is 65% renewable and climbing.
1.5% of my cash worth is invested in petrochemical companies.
If people didn't buy and burn the stuff to power their economies, like Korea and Japan, there'd be no reason to export it.
Here the power is 65% renewable and climbing.
Fuck Israel
and that comic wasn't misdirection?
ai boom is driving up data center demand
ai boom is driving up data center demand
Still nothing compared with the dumbness of the blockchain.
Fuck Israel
lol always the same superficial retorts. 'if there wasn't a demand, we wouldn't be forced to supply it!' and back and forth it goes, shifting responsibility. nevermind that australia is one of the world's richest and most developed countries, which really doesn't need to be cynically massively upgrading its exports to line its coffers with chinese renminbi. let's blame those new countries for industrialising!Dilbert_X wrote:
I think the point is that much of the fluff thats going on right now is misdirection.
1.5% of my cash worth is invested in petrochemical companies.
If people didn't buy and burn the stuff to power their economies, like Korea and Japan, there'd be no reason to export it.
Here the power is 65% renewable and climbing.
there are plenty of nations with similar resources and wealth who are making commitments to 'leave it in the ground'. similar smaller polities in scandinavia, for instance, which are really quite comparable. they are taking a moral lead. not the australians! you're so cynical that you've openly been admonished for it at the COP conference, ffs, making fake pledges and wanting to be seen at the top table with the liberal order, lecturing everyone else while signing off fresh deals for new mines and more plants.
there are plenty of institutions, leading woke-liberal-DEI universities among them, which are divesting from fossil fuels funds, realising the moral squalor of profiting from an industry that is choking the planet. not you, apparently. no compunctions about receiving your dividends while lecturing people on their lifestyles online. if it's only 1.5% of your immense net worth, surely it's not a sacrifice you'd mind making for this issue which is evidently all-so-close to your heart?! put those funds in some australian green energy tech companies? seems to be a growing sector, eh?
how great that a tiny populace of 26 million people can convert all of those billions of dollars of income from ore and coal into fancy new renewable energy infrastructure. can a nation share a nobel prize? has it been done before?
meanwhile, you're also in the world's top 15 worst culprits for greenhouse gases, despite being 0.33% of the population. really puts your '65% renewable' boast into context, doesn't it? you are now creeping ahead of the total emissions of the UK, with a third of its population. what the hell are you all doing over there if 35% of your energy needs puts you ahead of 70 million other people also living rich western lifestyles?
now let me guess: but your household has 75% renewable energy from solar and wind, whereas i post from a city grid that uses fossil fuels. but i wonder what your large family home of 3(4?) people consumes versus my tiny apartment of 2? i wonder what our comparative kWh/year is, or whatever unit you want to use? i bet my total energy consumption is practically 1/3rd or a 1/4 of your household consumption. so how does all that come out in the wash, eh? 25% of your home power still comes from fossil fuels, and i use a quarter of your total energy? so that's another self-fancying boast of yours put into context.
i don't think concerns about AI are 'misdirection' from climate change at all. we aren't goldfish, we can be concerned about several polyvalent issues at once. these are complex and multifaceted problems which implicate one another in myriad ways. AI isn't divorced from climate change.
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The best part? The dividends from that 1.5% pay my annual petrol bill.
Its neat, oil goes up, petrol goes up, dividends go up, and vice versa.
Meanwhile you're right, Aus produces 1.0% of global emissions so clearly Australia is the problem.
https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emiss … y-country/
You could have taken your digital vagrant lifestyle to some hipster paradise but no, you went for #5 and #9 on the list of worst emitters.
Its neat, oil goes up, petrol goes up, dividends go up, and vice versa.
Meanwhile you're right, Aus produces 1.0% of global emissions so clearly Australia is the problem.
https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emiss … y-country/
You could have taken your digital vagrant lifestyle to some hipster paradise but no, you went for #5 and #9 on the list of worst emitters.
Fuck Israel
my digital vagrant lifestyle has a much lower footprint than yours, as we have well established
australians truly are unimpeachable, they have a fly’s fart lower % of total emissions than japan with 6x lower population.
again i really have to ask, just what are you people doing down there? do you cook every meal over an oil drum?
comparing yourselves to korea isn’t really morally honest, now, is it? its industrial base is much newer than australia’s and the bulk of their economy up until very recently has been on a secondary-manufacturing level. well done for being fractionally better than a country that just did a speed-run from bottom of the GDP table to the top, i guess? meanwhile you've had about 5 decades' headstart on them to clean up your act.
their total cumulative emissions since recording began is about equal to australia’s - at about 20 billion tonnes. again, there’s been 2x or 3x as many koreans during that time, during which they've essentially rebuilt the entire country from ground zero. so what on earth are you bogans up to down there? that's a whole lotta utes and outdoor bbq's, isn't it?
and, again, isn't it funny that plenty of rich nations and their institutions are taking a moral high-ground and turning away from fossil fuels - but you're doubling down? i wonder what would happen if every nation in the globe adopted the same cynical attitude towards climate change as you have about your stock portfolio, or the australian government has about its plans for future growth and expansion? small, highly advanced, rich and developed nations are surely in the best position of any place on earth to take a lead and pioneer new schemes. not australia!
australians truly are unimpeachable, they have a fly’s fart lower % of total emissions than japan with 6x lower population.
again i really have to ask, just what are you people doing down there? do you cook every meal over an oil drum?
comparing yourselves to korea isn’t really morally honest, now, is it? its industrial base is much newer than australia’s and the bulk of their economy up until very recently has been on a secondary-manufacturing level. well done for being fractionally better than a country that just did a speed-run from bottom of the GDP table to the top, i guess? meanwhile you've had about 5 decades' headstart on them to clean up your act.
their total cumulative emissions since recording began is about equal to australia’s - at about 20 billion tonnes. again, there’s been 2x or 3x as many koreans during that time, during which they've essentially rebuilt the entire country from ground zero. so what on earth are you bogans up to down there? that's a whole lotta utes and outdoor bbq's, isn't it?
and, again, isn't it funny that plenty of rich nations and their institutions are taking a moral high-ground and turning away from fossil fuels - but you're doubling down? i wonder what would happen if every nation in the globe adopted the same cynical attitude towards climate change as you have about your stock portfolio, or the australian government has about its plans for future growth and expansion? small, highly advanced, rich and developed nations are surely in the best position of any place on earth to take a lead and pioneer new schemes. not australia!
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