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Dilbert_X wrote:

Australia happened hundreds of years ago, before the UN existed.
lmaooo, oh okay.

but the UN was set up in 1945 dilbert? so were all the international legal documents and definitions of genocide?

so nazi germany did a genocide before the UN existed too. so it must be okay???
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Are jews still cutting bits off their kids dicks to stop sand getting trapped?

Or holding an annual celebration of the death of the children of their Egyptian slave-masters in 1200BC?

Israel is not modern, not when the majority of the population has been aggressively supporting a genocide - right up until they realised it was backfiring on their own interests.
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again, rehearsing weird anti-semitic tropes does no service to 'free palestine' whatsoever.

for a start, the culture you are mourning the genocide of is every bit as religious and observant of 'not modern' customs – including by giving popular support to islamist zealots.

what actually is the point in ranting about circumcision? seriously? this is what the massacre of children and women inspires in you? thoughts about hot jewish cocks? you sound like a fucking idiot.

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The point is the 'modern' Israelis are still locked in the ancient past.

Giving support to 'islamic zealots' is obviously mainstream Islam, has nothing to do with them being attacked.

Thank god the jews don't even have a word for zealot.
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how are you reading the entire middle-east conflict and dynamic as 'israelis locked in the past' versus ... what? all those hyper-modern, secular, rational, right-thinking neighbours?

it's really funny to me that you can read the actions of the palestinians or extremist islamists as political phenomena but then modern developments in israel? oh no, those are the bronze age prophesies of an unredeemable people.

try harder.

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Why do Gaza and the West Bank matter to Israelis?
They have plenty of empty desert they're not using now, a land shortage isn't it.

The Palestinians have had/are having their land stolen and are being killed - it may be the jews manifest destiny to do it, again, but there will be a reaction
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do you think americans expanded across the continent out of a christian zeal for their manifest destiny? it was after all a bunch of puritan religious colonies at its founding. has the entire history of america just been a theological drama? or do you admit there are material political forces at work?

why did the UK claim ‘terra nullius’? wasn’t there enough room in the british isles?

i’m obviously not going to say the jews have a credible claim to the middle east because of their interpretation of the old testament. i think it’s pointless to argue in these terms. the modern nation-state of israel is a 19th century idea with a real history that needs to confronted, never mind the mythic nonsense that politicians pepper their speeches with when trying to shore up support.
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The 'Israelis' had plenty of empty space in Russia, they still have plenty of empty space they aren't using in Palestine.
There's literally no reason to murder the Palestinians to steal Gaza and the West Bank besides their manifest destiny nuttery and mythical pre-biblical maps.
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well, now you're at least getting somewhere with contending with the nature of israel qua nation-state, and as an ethno-state in particular. yes, the zionist ideology's claims for a native homeland has much to do with the scattered diaspora and communities in places like russia, poland, southern spain and the maghreb, etc.

the late-19th century history of the idea running up to the establishment of the jewish state in '48, and the maneuverings of its chief architects, are FAR more relevant than bronze age myths or any piece of scripture you can quote arbitrarily at random from the talmud.

i don't really think that most zionists throughout its history were relying on the myth of amalek or on dodgy maps presented at the UN in photo-op stunts (à la bibi). most of the architects of the israeli state were not far-right nutjobs or religious extremists.
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But these non-'far-right nutjobs or religious extremists' still planned to invade someone else;s country and kill or expel them.
So really they are far-right nutjobs and/or religious extremists
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Dilbert_X wrote:

But these non-'far-right nutjobs or religious extremists' still planned to invade someone else;s country and kill or expel them.
So really they are far-right nutjobs and/or religious extremists
so every person involved in the settlement of australia was an extremist?
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https://i.imgur.com/mXD0SBf.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/KD67yeT.png

Seems to me like a carefully planned and executed genocide by the 'moderate' zionists to me.
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once again, not the legal definition of a genocide, not as established by the UN in 1946 or any body hence.

you can condemn israel's actions in the gaza strip in the last 1.5 years without ranting about circumcision. it makes you look completely and utterly unhinged.

why has this thread become 'dilbert picks at random to rant about jews'? what is the last tv show you saw?

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Erm, it clearly meets the UN definition
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forced displacement is not genocide. it's a separate crime. i don't know how many times we have to repeat something that is self-evidently the case, as applied in international law.

perhaps your aversion to reading anything written more than 50 years ago is giving you difficulties?

and trying to portray the activities of haganah (or irgun, etc.) as the position of all mainstream zionists or israelis makes about as much sense as saying that every muslim in the middle-east is in support of paramiitary struggle and terrorism. well done at finding some quotes by the zionist version of the SS, though.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/mXD0SBf.jpeg
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displacing people is a crime against humanity.

it is not part of the legal definition of genocide.

don't know how many more times i have to tap the sign? skill issue tbh. learn to read.

https://historyandheritage.cityofparramatta.nsw.gov.au/sites/phh/files/styles/article_leader_image_style/public/article-images/The-New-Australian-poster.jpg?itok=UUaslIGq

"keep australia white". 7 years before the ben-gurion quote. sounds awfully like the same thing, doesn't it?

https://cdn.britannica.com/94/195494-050-2BB743F5/Sheet-music-White-Australia-WE-Naunton-words-1910.jpg

also contemporary with the rhetoric of jewish settlement (1901-1950). sounds awfully like the same thing, doesn't it?

why are extreme and unpalatable viewpoints to us today "all in the past" when it comes to australia's forced expulsions and resettlement of aboriginals, but not the jews in the middle east? really makes you wonder, doesn't it, Settler_X?

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https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/104913

GAZA, January 21, 2007, (WAFA)- Ministry of Prisoners' Affairs (MPA) reported Saturday that 187 Palestinian prisoners died in Israeli prison since the Israeli occupation of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) in 1967.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-53436225

In the past three decades, more than 400 Aboriginal people have died in custody, either being held in prisons or under the arrest of the police - despite findings and recommendations from a national inquiry in 1991. Many have died under suspicious circumstances, some due to negligence or lack of medical assistance. No-one was convicted for any of those deaths.
"it's all in the past" ???
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uziq wrote:

https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/104913

GAZA, January 21, 2007, (WAFA)- Ministry of Prisoners' Affairs (MPA) reported Saturday that 187 Palestinian prisoners died in Israeli prison since the Israeli occupation of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) in 1967.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-53436225
Doesn't cover the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians killed outside Israeli prisons though does it?
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no one is arguing about the present events in gaza. it's a genocide.

you, however, are claiming that 'the jews have been bloodthirsty genocidaires since the settling of israel; this has been their aim all along' ... and then citing, as evidence, rhetoric and ideology that is point-for-point, word-for-word indistinguishable from the rhetoric used by australian settlers in the same period. pseudo-darwinian white supremacist ideology isn't really any better or more credible than abrahamic tribal supremacist ideology, dilbert.

and i have said repeatedly, from the start, that israel has to be understood within the context of nationalism/nation-building. which is probably why there are so many similarities between the zionist project in israel and any number of other settler-colonial projects in the 19th century, isn't it? that's my entire point, dipshit!

if your argument is genuinely that jews have been committing a "genocide" in palestine since the early 20th century, then i'm afraid there is no way around it, you are partaking in an ongoing genocide in australia too. for decades, most of the history of the two states in fact, the experiences of palestinians and aboriginals were strikingly similar – including, evidently, arbitrary detention and dying en masse in police cells, among any other number of injustices and crimes in a de facto/de jure two-tier ethnostate ("white australia" versus "zionist israel"), whose whole modus operandi was mass seizure of lands and forced displacement.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5e57daf0af85443d6803fd19/747e2076-2f75-4a38-bad6-ef69393f6b80/jerusalem-5787806+low+res.jpg

https://res.cloudinary.com/momentum-media-group-pty-ltd/image/upload/c_mfit,q_auto:good,f_auto,e_unsharp_mask:80,w_830,h_484/Smart%20Property%20Investment%2Fintro-images%2F839x487%2Fnew-Australia-suburbs-aerial

monstrous stuff.

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