AI is going to open up filmmaking and story telling like never before. Finally small creators can tell grand stories leveraging AI to do so.
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ah, yes, a million michael bays, all making epic robot battles using an iphone and an AI prompt.
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Of course there will some Jew with ties to Hollywood who becomes famous for successfully producing an AI blockbuster.
But in all seriousness if you care about marginalized voices or whatever getting an opportunity to share their vision...AI can do that. Whether society pays attention to it is another issue.
But in all seriousness if you care about marginalized voices or whatever getting an opportunity to share their vision...AI can do that. Whether society pays attention to it is another issue.
i'm sorry but it seems so fucking ridiculously disingenuous to promote AI so that "marginalized voices" can access the media. this is the technology that is basically collapsing wages and laying off professional workers en masse. like 15-30% of white-collar workers are reportedly going to be thrown on the trash heap because of it. but it's a good thing because a mexican with a dream can now generate 150 extras without having to pay human actors? wtf are you talking about.
indie cinema already exists. when's the last time you watched a low-budget movie or attended a screening festival? lmao. yeah, you don't give a fuck.
indie cinema already exists. when's the last time you watched a low-budget movie or attended a screening festival? lmao. yeah, you don't give a fuck.
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Exactly. Film festivals are the gatekeeping that could be subverted by AI filmmaking.
classroom teachers are the gatekeepers preventing children from actually learning something.
Its funny how you crow about computer nerds getting replaced by AI and Indians but when it gets a bit closer to you you're not so happy.uziq wrote:
i'm sorry but it seems so fucking ridiculously disingenuous to promote AI so that "marginalized voices" can access the media. this is the technology that is basically collapsing wages and laying off professional workers en masse. like 15-30% of white-collar workers are reportedly going to be thrown on the trash heap because of it. but it's a good thing because a mexican with a dream can now generate 150 extras without having to pay human actors? wtf are you talking about.
indie cinema already exists. when's the last time you watched a low-budget movie or attended a screening festival? lmao. yeah, you don't give a fuck.
The fact is technology has advanced to the point that the average person can now produce a feature film in their basement with no need to hire anyone.
This does allow people to have their voices heard even if its only on youtube.
If there are more cat films then I'm in favour.
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wasn't flow made in blender
the whole idea that 'people's voices haven't been heard until AI' is really grotesque. so it took a giant corporation that's harvesting all your data, feeding off everyone else's intellectual property and lifetime outputs of creativity, to come along and give you a prompt box before you could yourself be creative? errm, how divorced are you exactly from the world of film-making?
anybody could make their own movies 25 years ago with the introduction of consumer-grade and affordable cameras and editing suites. you know, the 'home video' era?
anybody has been able to make their own movies with their iphone camera and free editing software installed on their mac. films have been shown at cannes filmed and produced in just this manner. the cost is basically a couple thousand dollars for the phone and labour. that's it.
the only thing that AI brings to this picture isn't 'widening access', it's lowering effort. now you can summon 15 minutes of slop visuals from the void at the click of a button, without having to leave your armchair or even stretch to pick-up that 8 ounce iphone and film anything yourself. that's fair enough if it's your yen, but don't present it as 'finally democracy comes to the arts!' that's a nonsense. you haven't needed a production company, a distributor, or even to step foot in a film school for decades at this point. the 'means of production' have very much been in the individual's hands for more than a generation.
the fact that tech nerds who have been openly chauvinistic about their qualifications and expertise for the last 15 years of 'nerd mania', in which being an anti-social wallflower servicing big capital in silicon valley has become somehow socially valorised, are now the first in the firing line to lose their jobs ... is ironic. that is undeniable.
and i'm not 'crowing because it's close to me'. it doesn't affect me at all. i've worked for years on projects internally with my publisher to introduce new technologies to the production process. and we've just last year signed another 5 year contract with the pre-eminent learned society globally for astrophysics, to continue doing much as we're doing. i am not worried at all.
even the doyens of silicon valley and the captains of our current tech-capitalist dystopia are saying at this point that humanities nerds like me are becoming more and more valuable in this shifting landscape, not less.
anybody could make their own movies 25 years ago with the introduction of consumer-grade and affordable cameras and editing suites. you know, the 'home video' era?
anybody has been able to make their own movies with their iphone camera and free editing software installed on their mac. films have been shown at cannes filmed and produced in just this manner. the cost is basically a couple thousand dollars for the phone and labour. that's it.
the only thing that AI brings to this picture isn't 'widening access', it's lowering effort. now you can summon 15 minutes of slop visuals from the void at the click of a button, without having to leave your armchair or even stretch to pick-up that 8 ounce iphone and film anything yourself. that's fair enough if it's your yen, but don't present it as 'finally democracy comes to the arts!' that's a nonsense. you haven't needed a production company, a distributor, or even to step foot in a film school for decades at this point. the 'means of production' have very much been in the individual's hands for more than a generation.
i don't see anything good about 30% or even 10% of the middle-class being laid off because of an overhyped tool. that's called a recession. it's not good for anyone.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its funny how you crow about computer nerds getting replaced by AI and Indians but when it gets a bit closer to you you're not so happy.uziq wrote:
i'm sorry but it seems so fucking ridiculously disingenuous to promote AI so that "marginalized voices" can access the media. this is the technology that is basically collapsing wages and laying off professional workers en masse. like 15-30% of white-collar workers are reportedly going to be thrown on the trash heap because of it. but it's a good thing because a mexican with a dream can now generate 150 extras without having to pay human actors? wtf are you talking about.
indie cinema already exists. when's the last time you watched a low-budget movie or attended a screening festival? lmao. yeah, you don't give a fuck.
the fact that tech nerds who have been openly chauvinistic about their qualifications and expertise for the last 15 years of 'nerd mania', in which being an anti-social wallflower servicing big capital in silicon valley has become somehow socially valorised, are now the first in the firing line to lose their jobs ... is ironic. that is undeniable.
and i'm not 'crowing because it's close to me'. it doesn't affect me at all. i've worked for years on projects internally with my publisher to introduce new technologies to the production process. and we've just last year signed another 5 year contract with the pre-eminent learned society globally for astrophysics, to continue doing much as we're doing. i am not worried at all.
even the doyens of silicon valley and the captains of our current tech-capitalist dystopia are saying at this point that humanities nerds like me are becoming more and more valuable in this shifting landscape, not less.
https://fortune.com/2024/05/17/blackroc … ts-hiring/And none other than the chief operating officer of BlackRock signals the changing of the tides towards the right-brained applicant. Speaking at Fortune’s Future of Finance: Technology and Transformation, Robert Goldstein noted the asset management firm is looking to get a little artsy.
“We have more and more conviction that we need people who majored in history, in English, and things that have nothing to do with finance or technology,” said Goldstein of BlackRock’s new hiring strategy.
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BlackRock is not the only company looking towards new types of analyst: the creatives. This desire for liberal arts grads is in part fueled by the rise of AI, which creates a demand for different skill sets. “Questioning, creativity skills, and innovation are going to be hugely important because I think AI’s going to free up more capacity for creative thought processes,” Matt Candy, global managing partner in generative AI at IBM Consulting, told Fortune this past December. Coding, perhaps, wanes in importance as generative AI becomes more popular. But those who have a language background could take advantage of the new market by becoming prompt-engineers for said tools, he explained.
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an open-source software tool for a budget practically accessible to any established independent film-maker.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
wasn't flow made in blender
no need for AI at all to produce something like that.
in fact, it's basically insulting to all the creativity and labour that went into the movie. 'keep feeding me more slop about cats, i don't care how many thosuands of hours of training and practice it took you to do the last one! more felines!!! feed me!'
OK but before that it was arts nerds who were openly chauvinistic about their qualifications and expertise for about 200 years and they mostly got the chop before the computer nerds - who haven't yet actually.uziq wrote:
the fact that tech nerds who have been openly chauvinistic about their qualifications and expertise for the last 15 years of 'nerd mania', in which being an anti-social wallflower servicing big capital in silicon valley has become somehow socially valorised, are now the first in the firing line to lose their jobs ... is ironic. that is undeniable.
AI will largely be another picks and shovels boom and bust, you must subscribe to this AI stock trading platform, and you should buy shares in all the companies which are part of powering AI, server farms, chip makers etc.
Then it'll fizzle and people will find they handed over their money to some Harvard IPO pirate and thats that.
I would like to see more cat films though, maybe I'll be able to make my own?
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as usual, you're just making stuff up and fantasising. your notion of history is perplexing, to say the least. '200 years of arts grads at the top', yeah because that's a good heuristic for understanding the history of europe from 1800-2000. 'which one of them had a literature degree? metternich or talleyrand?'
you are a berk.
you are a berk.
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Well, we know the only thing worse than an arts nerd is a frustrated arts nerd.
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the live at home engineering eunuch should talk a little less about frustration. AI isn't beetling my brow.
enjoy your furry-adjacent auto-erotic cat slop. weirdo.
enjoy your furry-adjacent auto-erotic cat slop. weirdo.
I am not at all worried about AI, its not even needed to make great cat films.
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a lot of the time, this is the angle of ai-crowd people i know. "finally, we can do our own stuff! i can't wait to finally make movies!" the same people who posted links to flash animations and youtube in the 2000s. sometimes one of them occasionally surfaces from the slop to confide that they could just learn how to do stuff without generative ai if they wanted, but they don't really want to.uziq wrote:
the whole idea that 'people's voices haven't been heard until AI' is really grotesque. so it took a giant corporation that's harvesting all your data, feeding off everyone else's intellectual property and lifetime outputs of creativity, to come along and give you a prompt box before you could yourself be creative?
blender, for all its flaws, is pretty ok. i both like and dislike it more than 3dsmax. different strengths to play to, whatever. creative tools are hugely accessible in the 2020s, and tutorials abound. you don't need an adobe account.
flow has been really talked about on the 3d scene.
it's all tied into their spiritually void and intellectually incurious world view. these people have absolutely zero appreciation for what culture is, or concomitantly really what the 'good' and 'desirable' life is all about, either. they are simply philistines. the same crowd who thought it was 'awsm!' to be able to expand the canvas of the mona lisa, or to turn an historical scene by jacques-louis david into a 15 second animation or something. they simply don't get it. ingrates.
they don't grasp that part of the deep self-fulfillment that comes from creativity and expression is tied up in the process. of sucking at something and gradually becoming good at it. of searching around and fumbling for a personal voice, or style, or mode of expressing yourself. of growing into your art. nah, they want to be able to type 25 words into a box and to see the funny GIF animation of the 'girl with pearl earring' winking or sticking out her tongue or something equally puerile.
there's a line by w. b. yeats: "art lies dreaming of what is to become". the technologists and AI boosters wouldn't get it.
they don't grasp that part of the deep self-fulfillment that comes from creativity and expression is tied up in the process. of sucking at something and gradually becoming good at it. of searching around and fumbling for a personal voice, or style, or mode of expressing yourself. of growing into your art. nah, they want to be able to type 25 words into a box and to see the funny GIF animation of the 'girl with pearl earring' winking or sticking out her tongue or something equally puerile.
there's a line by w. b. yeats: "art lies dreaming of what is to become". the technologists and AI boosters wouldn't get it.
No, they just have zero appreciation for your culture, thats what you can't bear.
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what is 'my' culture? i would defend any culture against philistinism. it has nothing to do with my personal tastes. there's an awful lot of art and culture that i don't care for one bit, but i'll defend its existence and 'the arts' as a whole against assaults by tasteless non-entities such as yourself.
trying to portray me as someone who is committed to an exclusive and narrow definition of 'art' is just funny. i am for all art against all non-art, it's that simple. i read and watch and pay attention to all sorts of art that doesn't speak to me personally at all. i'd rather a thousand exhibitions exist dedicated to some niche pursuit that has nothing in common with my experience at all than have the world flooded with AI slop.
the irony is, you defend AI based almost entirely on the premise that here is a technology that can create things just for you. that's it. you want custom movies tailored exactly as you want them. when's the last time you read a novel based wholly on someone else's worldview? when's the last time you watched a movie in a foreign language, on a subject you knew nothing about? no, you want the AI toy so you can sit in your mancave and consoooom your own little private fantasia. but i'm the one who isn't open-minded .
trying to portray me as someone who is committed to an exclusive and narrow definition of 'art' is just funny. i am for all art against all non-art, it's that simple. i read and watch and pay attention to all sorts of art that doesn't speak to me personally at all. i'd rather a thousand exhibitions exist dedicated to some niche pursuit that has nothing in common with my experience at all than have the world flooded with AI slop.
the irony is, you defend AI based almost entirely on the premise that here is a technology that can create things just for you. that's it. you want custom movies tailored exactly as you want them. when's the last time you read a novel based wholly on someone else's worldview? when's the last time you watched a movie in a foreign language, on a subject you knew nothing about? no, you want the AI toy so you can sit in your mancave and consoooom your own little private fantasia. but i'm the one who isn't open-minded .
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i get the casuals ai motive. a guy (whether or not they can actually use non-generative tools) wants to generate a few unflattering renders of trump to laugh at and immediately forget probably isn't robbing himself of much creative integrity by not building it from the ground up.
but i do think that people sometimes tend to forget what a giant fucking timesink and a pain in the ass dicking around with AI prompts and weights can be. the amount of back-and-forth that goes on between computer and prompter can occasionally eat more hours than just opening photoshop and doing it yourself. we're a bit of a ways i think from plugging in a low effort prompt to generate muppet star trek pornos.
nerds aren't doing themselves any favors by rooting for AI to take over their stuff to see it released faster. nerds already complain about the lessening quality of comic book movies due to sheer spam. all the resources at disney's disposal and the ai examples are still really unnerving and off. yeah no thanks on ai productions.
even looks horrible on a 30px icon
but i do think that people sometimes tend to forget what a giant fucking timesink and a pain in the ass dicking around with AI prompts and weights can be. the amount of back-and-forth that goes on between computer and prompter can occasionally eat more hours than just opening photoshop and doing it yourself. we're a bit of a ways i think from plugging in a low effort prompt to generate muppet star trek pornos.
nerds aren't doing themselves any favors by rooting for AI to take over their stuff to see it released faster. nerds already complain about the lessening quality of comic book movies due to sheer spam. all the resources at disney's disposal and the ai examples are still really unnerving and off. yeah no thanks on ai productions.
even looks horrible on a 30px icon
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"you will know them by their fruits".
the fact that all of this AI-generated stuff is monstrously ugly and resembles a bad acid trip is dispositive. everything looks uncanny, unreal, glossy, and thoroughly inhuman. and technologists who are more interested in technical gewgaws and machine outputs than human stories or expression are self-evidently fucking sociopaths (including dilbert). the guy would rather sit at home endlessly generating a gallery of cat images than ever watch a movie by an iranian director or read a novel by an asian-american woman. all those human stories ... boring! long meaningless words and pointless metaphors!
as i said, they have no idea what culture is even for.
the fact that all of this AI-generated stuff is monstrously ugly and resembles a bad acid trip is dispositive. everything looks uncanny, unreal, glossy, and thoroughly inhuman. and technologists who are more interested in technical gewgaws and machine outputs than human stories or expression are self-evidently fucking sociopaths (including dilbert). the guy would rather sit at home endlessly generating a gallery of cat images than ever watch a movie by an iranian director or read a novel by an asian-american woman. all those human stories ... boring! long meaningless words and pointless metaphors!
as i said, they have no idea what culture is even for.
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ChatGPT helped me setup a modem/router combo. When I sent it screenshots of the device settings it was able to instantly figure out the issue and tell me what to do next. It completed its task with the patience only AI can provide.
This everyday stuff makes it so useful. And it is disappointing how many people have this identity politics opposition to AI.
This everyday stuff makes it so useful. And it is disappointing how many people have this identity politics opposition to AI.
don’t think i’ve expressed anywhere any hostility to AI being used in that context.
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Maybe you didn't but the complaining about AI art, integration and all of the other stuff just encourages people to not use productivity tools.uziq wrote:
don’t think i’ve expressed anywhere any hostility to AI being used in that context.
