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must be a culture shock for the ‘would you like fries with that?’ crowd.
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Are you senile? We did this about a month ago.

What is even your point? That chart is about 50:50 technology:useless stuff.
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the point being that the popular refrain has been to 'do computer science' or 'do STEM' as common sense good advice.

when really it connects to no reality in any job market in the west any more.
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A lot of tax breaks and subsidies that the Biden admin put into place as part of the CHIPS act either expired or were clawed back by the Trump admin for tax breaks. Then the DOGE thing happened and a lot of the Federal governments technical people got fired.

So there was a double whammy to STEM workers.
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uziq wrote:

the point being that the popular refrain has been to 'do computer science' or 'do STEM' as common sense good advice.

when really it connects to no reality in any job market in the west any more.
We literally did this already, pay in STEM is a lot higher and there's generally less underemployment in STEM.
There are the odd standouts like comp sci, but generally no.
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i don't think you grasp that an entire generation of people graduating today aren't going to find 'high-paying graduate STEM jobs'.
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Well thats what happens if boomers ship all the investment and work in value-add industries overseas for short-term gain.

OTOH Comp-sci has always been a shit-show, for every graduate who gets a job at Intel there's 8192 doing IT support for a company which does non-tech stuff.
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IT does seem to be one of those many thankless (or short-term thanks) jobs. the stereotypes are rooted in truth. people expect what you fix to stay fixed. when it doesn't, it's your fault. when it does, they're paying you for nothing! decisions in your sphere of influence are made over your head, wrongly, and you get to deal with it when it goes south. this is true both at tech and non-tech companies.

but this is also true for non-IT maintenance people, right down to day porters and custodians, and many other jobs besides. i think computer people are a little off-base in their singled-out martyr complex. at least in IT you can roll out some antique memes like interocitor-usage.
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I'm not criticising comp-sci people, it is indeed a thankless task with unlimited downside and no to little upside, they have to stay bang up to date with infinite systems and interactions between systems, interact with users etc.
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I would create an account to read this, but The Economist is pro-Israel so nah.

https://www.economist.com/finance-and-e … re-screwed
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comp-sci people should be criticised. a good chunk of criticism even comes from the inside. it can be toxic for a number of reasons more related to its own people than the job.

this is even way before taking bigballs and pals into consideration. incel gamergate nonsense periphery of that Venn diagram. imagine wanting to be a techbro in 2025.

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Every guild has its own arrogance, PCB designers are amongst the worst I meet.
Literally all the hard work has been done for them.
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circuit board layout optimizers were seen as a toy when i was in college, for the reason that you were supposed to understand what it is exactly you were doing, or at least take full responsibility for the shit you threw at the wall that didn't stick. some good times, though (again, the sabotage segment was some hilarious spy shit. what on earth were we being trained for, lol).

could have done without the background buzz of chauvinism. some of the guys there were the very picture of condescending IT before they even got an associates.

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Think how easy it is when you have a tool like Altium.

Creating components is hard, creating PCB technology is hard, plonking components on a PCB in virtual reality is not.

All the PCB and solder technology is off the shelf, footprints etc are done, the tracking almost does itself, press a button and it simulates itself, all the files, gerbers, PDFs, stencils are spat out on the press of one button.

"Could you move that component 1mm?"

"Oh no, I'd have to do all that work again. I'm too busy. Everyone else has to redesign everything around it"
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When the history of this time period is talked about in 10 years I hope the Trump is pedophile thing sticks.

You know how modern people wonder how German voters voted for Hitler in 1933? 80 years from now people will wonder how Americans knowingly elected a pedophile. The children will ask and be disturbed by that fact when they are in highschool. I can visualize the kid's face after I say it because I have explained stuff they couldn't believe after they asked an out of pocket question.

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I already don't bother trying to convince MAGA people in real life of anything. If I am ever stuck in a situation where I have to debate or talk to one about Trump I will just say he is a pedophile. The economy, immigration, Gaza, blah blah. Never talking about any of that with them. I am just going to default to he is a pedophile. "I know it. You know it. God knows it." Going to rope God into this too.
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as someone who deals with maga people a lot, that's not going to matter. it's always going to circle back to "both sides," or they'll act like you're attacking them personally (kinda, yeah, if you're going to obsess about "dubious" library books but think nothing of electing a sex pest).

trumpers don't care about their double standard. and the ones who say they do, really don't. when cornered, their eyes will glaze before they go back to some other line item, many of which are just lip service on trump's part.

a person in my circles is almost as non-trump as you can get, ideologically, except when it comes to the subject of who they voted for in 2024. for everything else, very empathetical. like the anti-trump. inexplicable. mind-blowing. and i get to watch it happening during their glassed over features during some fox segment or one of those progressively angrier-and-angrier talk radio jackoffs, as the person nods along to it, absorbing only the favorable trump news and spin. insidious.

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imagine defending one of epstein's creepers while making a bunch of shit up about how some other person would defend democratic creepers, when they'd time and time again said those should go to prison too. imagine blinking in confusion at that response. like you couldn't believe someone wants a rapist punished. your blackmail is ashes, maga-person.
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Apparently there are polaroids of Trump surrounded by topless children at Epstein's pool.

Would this be enough to convince the MAGA-ites?

Meanwhile Pam Bondi is flying to negotiate a deal with Ghislaine Maxwell

Fun times.
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i really hate to sound pat on this topic, but posterity really will not care about trump’s sexual proclivities.

people wonder how the germans supported hitler because he was an openly genocidal militarist chauvinist and nazism was a death cult borne along in the streets by violent paratroopers and secret police thugs.

trump hanging out at a pool with rich assholes who diddle teens is not on the same world-historical register of infamy, i’m afraid.

i dare say the sex lives of world leaders in the early 20th century was just as full of nubiles and weird perversions and sexual assaults and poor beleaguered dames. i’m sure you can find many 19th century prez’s who married some 15 year old or carried off some family friend or something.

mussolini supposedly had a ravenous sexual appetite, he was objectively a sexual monster in comparison to a person like trump, and really how near the top of the list is his sex life when people discuss his historical record?

the epstein island thing is a major conspiracy and a criminal network, no doubt about it, but you’re really just being rather prudish and puritanical if you think hanging out with topless 14 year olds is hitler-scale evil. hell, i would say the entire ‘mysterious masked ICE agents stalking the country and bundling people off to extra-judicial black sites’ is more of an historical evil than ‘partied with a lecherous pimp’.

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Well obviously unilaterally bombing other countries and supporting the Palestinian holocaust are completely normal behaviour for every American President - to call Trump out for that would be ridiculous.

Americans voted for a fascist police state, suspension of constitutional legal rights etc, it was literally all he talked about in the run-up to the election, for the voters to complain would make them look stupid.

It would be nice to think that his MAGA base would turn on him for raping children, although raping women isn't apparently enough.
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it's weird that they linked to youtube on the provided website instead of just hosting directly. will not play, embedded.

funny, imo the "whatever" political attitudes south park fostered is a part of what sent some people into trump's arms in the first place.
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Yes. The TV billionaires are still class enemies. But whatever helps oppose Trump.
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not convinced it'll be of terribly much help. magats showed up to trump rallies in diapers. i can imagine anyone else found out would have driven to suicide by that same group. how many people will abandon trump because of that "show nobody watches anymore. past its prime. you know it, i know it. i don't watch it. do you? nobody watches it. terrible, terrible show. crass! viewership is down. #gowokegobroke"

possible outcome: trump brushes off, then repurposes trivialization as a smokescreen while he continues to dismantle important institutions and employ ice as his personal terror squad.

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what a coup for this channel. millennial media is safe and well.
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Pretty amazing that Trumps private personal criminal defence lawyer and the Deputy Director at the DOJ are the same person
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Blanche

Maybe not surprising that this person now personally negotiating with convicted child sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell to dig Trump out of his Epstein hole.

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