MurrayP
PKM Assasin
+0|7076|USA, IL
For a few rounds this guy kept 'tking EVERYONE at our main spawn... the fourth round I got wise (the point whore I am) and kept medding whoever he killed.  We werent in cordination, but everyone called me a padder..... I dont really understand this seeing as that I was helping the team. (He tk's are about -100 a game meaning he is costing my team a LOT of points off our tickets.)  Anyway, I offered up the job to any other med who will take it, to no avail.

With me medding noone died (A med isnt a death) anthough a few got pissed off when I kept medding them (about 6-8 times)  Anyway, there were a lot of negitive points but very few ticket points were lost.... Does my 200 point score mean im a lowly padder?  I would say not.

Last edited by MurrayP (2005-09-12 17:24:40)

|1rb| AKAeric
Member
+0|7097
No one wants to be revived just to die again for certain. So I'd say you were doing what padders do, and don't do it anymore.
LeGrandAssidomaen
Paper Is My Hobbyhorse
+1|7074
Hmm...don't know exactly how EA handles it now...just hope that one time won't be enough for them to reset your score...but anyway: On what kind of server did you play where someone can get down to -100 without getting kicked? Even a kickvote should be successful in that case.
chuyskywalker
Admin
+2,439|7115|"Frisco"

Why the hell wasn't he kicked...???
MurrayP
PKM Assasin
+0|7076|USA, IL
No admin, no auto kick obviously and the votekicks were always short one or 2 (the other team didnt seem to mind he was basically handing them wins.)

And I dont know what server it was, just some random 32 player I joined.

Edit: and as ever doing it again... I wont, I'll just leave the server or switch teams or somthing.  And it dosent seem right now, but at the time that seemed like the greatedt idea in the world to help the team....

Last edited by MurrayP (2005-09-12 17:22:45)

tF-afrojap
Member
+124|7114|SF
Sounds like a pooptastic server. And ppl TKing and taking advantage of that situation is f'kn low. Take a screen next time and post it up. We don't take kindly to them types 'round herr, and I can guarantee you he won't be playing on BF2S servs.
=[4th]=SlayThem
Destroy Noob Cannons
+96|7100
For some reason some servers don't see the need for autokicks. I was in a server with a guy that had like -40.
mikeshw
Radioactive Glo
+130|7105|A Small Isle in the Tropics

i need to be given some basic education here .. if badges are given out for medic, engineer and support class, right from bronze to gold, i will presume that accumulating points and hours in these classes are the natural thing to do? or excessive accumulation is considered stats padding..?

i got my Meritorious Unit Ribbon last nite doing the BH whoring thingy, then getting onto an APC, playing medic, support and Spec-Ops, capping flag, defending flag, manning a TOW taking out an APC.. points versus kills make me look like a stats padder, but help me out here, how else would i get 40 points minimum if i dont do all this? So is one a stats padder for doing all this? Or he is not when he goes on Assault Kit and making kills, capping flags? There are so many awards, so many ribbons, so many badges..some of them requiring ludicrous hours of gameplay and kill/re-supply/revive rate. Isnt it inevitable to sometimes keep healing/reviving or resupply? (i do agree that reviving during a firefight or enemy arti strike is not smart, read HolyKit's thread)

it seems out of thread (hey, the header said Padding?)..but i m trying to take a step back and looking at the whole situation after reading so many threads on stats padding, BH whoring (there must be a reason why it sits 6, and EA removed the hellfire that can be seen in the original screenshots to maybe make it less overwhelming?), etc..

I would say that the line between stats padding and being a team player is thin, and i am not sure at which point teampoints accmulation ends, stats padding starts. If i were to put a stake in the ground, and imho, maybe it is if you are playing lone wolf accumulating points. But, if the players in the server sucks, then some of us do not have much of a choice but play lonewolf. As a lonewolf, i saved a game the other night, rushing out to cap a USMC flag so that the entire team gets an alternative flag to spawn on (we very nearly won, it was close) as the rest had been capped by USMC. And good thing i did, as the last Chinese flag was capped by USMC.

or maybe i am too old to understand all this
LeGrandAssidomaen
Paper Is My Hobbyhorse
+1|7074
First of all, mikeshw, flying in a blackhawk is not considered stat-padding. All the other stuff you mentioned isn't, too.
The knife/kill/revive thing i.e. is stat-padding, as it is not in any way related to how the game is supposed to work.
The new patch ahead, certain features about the blackhawk will be changed/weakenend, so it won't be as easy to get points with it as it is now. I'm definitely not fond of the BH-whoring, but harm is already done, look at stats of players ranked with maybe 60.000-120000 points right now, you will see that a lot of them have taken advantage of the overpowered blackhawk. I myself have been in heli squads, but gave it up after seeing ppl teamkill to get into the heli and playing i.e. on the MEC side on Mashtuur City, seeing what it causes for the other team.
All the awards, you have to realise, are not supposed to be achieved within a week. The rank system was made to make the game last longer, to make people invest more time and effort. Stat padding is BS, and it is even bigger BS when players get ribbons/badges for it which they're in no way supposed to get already. So anyway thumbs up to the new patch!
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7108|Cologne, Germany

well, let me add my two cents to this...

to me, everything you do in the game is fine as long as it helps your team win. meaning, if teammates get shot at a high rate, or fire at a high rate, there is nothing wrong with reviving a lot , or resupplying a lot. Because that is after all what you are supposed to do as support class.

last night, I got 65 team points from playing medic on sharqui, not one single point was padded. people just get shot a lot on city maps.

stat padding to me is when you specifically decide to boost your personal score by performing actions that will not in any way help your team win. like meeting in some quiet part of the map and do the knife-revive game.

Same goes for BH whoring. It is not your fault that the BH maybe was designed a little too powerful on some maps. that is EA's fault ( if you can call it that ), and should not stop you from using the BH in it's most effective way.
sure, I hate it too when all MEC flags are taken within 2 minutes of the map on mashtuur, and the combination of 5 guys in a BH plus the miniguns is clearly unbalanced, but until the patch arrives, that's just something we will have to live with. furthermore, if you use the 50 cal. right, a BH can be brought down easily with some good teamwork.
Not EA's fault that people on public servers can't muster teamplay..
CMDR_Dave
Redneck
+66|7108|Missoula, MT
Brilliant!
MurrayP
PKM Assasin
+0|7076|USA, IL

B.Schuss wrote:

well, let me add my two cents to this...

stat padding to me is when you specifically decide to boost your personal score by performing actions that will not in any way help your team win. like meeting in some quiet part of the map and do the knife-revive game.
So I suppose I wasn't padding then seeing as my intentions were good and I was following him around the main spawn actually helping the team.....  I still feel like crap for getting 227 points where I might of gotten 50 under normal circumstances.... I just hope EA moderaters will see eye to eye with me.... (Yea right)

Thanks for the imput.

Last edited by MurrayP (2005-09-13 12:26:57)

Guruz
Sir
+20|7105|government yard in trenchtown.
You did absolutely right in my opinion, I would've done it too.
I can easily imagine the situation and I certainly would try to keep our team alive and perhaps kill the teamkiller to get our team some time to get the hell out of "his" playground.
US|dirtysouth
purple sticky punch
+0|7081|englewood FL.
idunno i would have thought u were padden...think about it sum guy makes up new account, goes in his freind comes in....bam he can mess that profile up and his buddy gets 227 points.  thats wat i would have been thinken was going on..woulda been PIssed!
MurrayP
PKM Assasin
+0|7076|USA, IL
Like I said the guy had done it the preivous 3-4 rounds..... But I can see what you are saying, I probally would of been pissed off at myself also ....
Also as I said before I told my whloe team, SWITCH TO MEDIC and take over.... but they insisted to keep calling me a padder and not take over my boring job. (Which I dont understand why....)
mikeshw
Radioactive Glo
+130|7105|A Small Isle in the Tropics

LGA and Schuss..to both of you, i say thank you for the summary..
shingara
Member
+0|7041|the motherland uk
well i think he was right to revive his team, never talk about "well if that happened id call u a padder " and " u wont be playing on bf2s servers", cos 1 anyone who sits in a bh or a cobra is obviously a padder sitting there hovering near a spawn site just blatting ppl out of existance and then medics running after there squad and a few other squads onto a flag and reviveing there team as they go.

    if u dont us the helos/planes with near invulnerablity and want reviving when u get pinged off to stop u getting a death carry on as normal, all the others who bith and moan about how other ppl play, go dig a hole cos u dont listen to what u preach half of u,

the aimbot geeks and teamkillers are the ones who should be nailed to a wall and have there jewels chopped off and fried in a pan 10 feet from them not someone playing what there roll is in game, its like saying i was a sniper the other day and there were loads of enemy laying down spawn killing so i layed down and popped em all of got a major kill streak and a badge. and then screaming at em stats padder u should have waved to the enemy first so they had an idea where u were.   grrr
Dr.Battlefield
Got milk?
+150|7019

MurrayP wrote:

Like I said the guy had done it the preivous 3-4 rounds..... But I can see what you are saying, I probally would of been pissed off at myself also ....
Also as I said before I told my whloe team, SWITCH TO MEDIC and take over.... but they insisted to keep calling me a padder and not take over my boring job. (Which I dont understand why....)
Kinda old topic but anyway... Were you killed by this guy? If not anyway you was doing all that medic supposed to do. And I will do the same thing. But I guess I can understand why they called you like that. Because if that guy didnt shot you but was killing other teammates and you just running around and reviving it will look like tk guy is your friend, you and him have an agreement, he uses fake account and tkilling and you r reviving and getting points. After padders usually switch so other tkilling and his friend is reviving. I think this is the basic idea.  Well it was kinda bad server without admin or autokik. So, YOU ARE NOT A PADDER. and tkillers like that guy should be banned from all ranked servers forever

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