zOMG Jesus himself has entered the building.+CGO+Striker2911 wrote:
Do you or do you not live in a Country that was started to provide religious Freedom. Freedom to worship wherever whenever and however we want? I do. If we want to have our own servers for the purpose of reaching others why do you care? If you think were silly then just ignore us. God has a place in bf2 and in every area of life.HOLLYWOOD=_=FTW=_= wrote:
God has no place in bf2 ive already been banned from all the christian servers lol thats just funny "christian FPS servers"
I am sorry you feel the way you do.
Wow. Grow up.
Saying I'm a Christian doesn't make one saved. Being truly saved comes from a relationship with Christ. No good works or good deeds can get anyone into heaven. This is not something I came up with, it is what God has said. I have never claimed that I decide who goes to Heaven or Hell. But I know that without a Genuine relationship with Christ there is only eternal suffering and separation from God.Skruples wrote:
If only bad grammar was a sin...
Grammar aside, this is the kind of Christian that pisses me off. The kind that presumes to pass judgement on everyone else based simply on their beliefs. My understanding of Christianity is understandably limited, but the last time I checked God is the only one who decides who goes to heaven, not you or anyone else. That being said, I find it odd that if being Christian is requisite for going to heaven, 2/3 of the world's population is doomed to eternal damnation, but apparently God loves us all. Forgive my ignorance, but there seems to be a conflict of logic there. Are the children born in remote areas, who have no access to the bible going to hell? Are the peoples of Asia going to hell because the dominant religion there is not Christianity? Forgive my arrogance, but the God Striker describes sounds like an asshole.
What bakarocket said seems to make more sense. That living a good life and being a good person is more important than going to church every sunday. I find it hard to believe that all the wonderful buddhists and Jews and members of every other religion I've ever met are going to hell, but a christian can be a horrible person and still go to heaven if they get their absolution in. And finally, heres something from Isaac Asimov:I don't believe in an afterlife, so I don't have to spend my whole life fearing hell, or fearing heaven even more. For whatever the tortures of hell, I think the boredom of heaven would be even worse.
Also I doubt the God who made you and created you would make a heaven that is boring. I can see why you would think that worshiping God forever would be boring but I believe that you think this because you don't know Him. I love God and I know that I will never be board worshiping God. There is no greater joy in life than Serving God.
So this is a religious thread? I think and agree with Toxin, me Being a history teacher 16 yrs ago, history tells the true story, but in the '90s the teachers were told to "shy away from religion" because of that same freedom to believe in what you want to believe in. Ive been to Christian, Mormon, Beth, First Church, among others and read many novels. People are free to believe what they want, before life and after life; its a choice and that is why we live in this great country. I believe in history, its proven and I have that right just as religious people have a right. I like all sorts of people as long as they don't hurt me. Do I care where I go? Not really, according to all the Books I've read its not my choice no matter how much I pray or don't. I don't want to make people mad or irritable about religion, but history tells us alot about religion. Do I believe in religion? Yeah. But I believe in my own faith, I share the same Upper Power as all religions, I don't need a book to read over and over every Sunday and spend 4 hours sweating in a small house. But please don't call Mary a virgin anymore!
I also thought the "poof!" theory was amusing, how the Upper Power has "made us"....history again needs to be read. Religious groups absolutely HATE history Ive learned.
But seems like religions like to pull this card out alot:
I also thought the "poof!" theory was amusing, how the Upper Power has "made us"....history again needs to be read. Religious groups absolutely HATE history Ive learned.
But seems like religions like to pull this card out alot:
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That server cracks me up.
I dont get how they call themselfs christians when they play a war game that has people being killed.
I live in the bible belt and i'm so sick of all the church crap,
they want to change how everyone lives and what happens in your town.
If you ask me EA should shut down servers that have "Christian Gamers" cause we shouldn't have any religion crap in a video game.
I dont get how they call themselfs christians when they play a war game that has people being killed.
I live in the bible belt and i'm so sick of all the church crap,
they want to change how everyone lives and what happens in your town.
If you ask me EA should shut down servers that have "Christian Gamers" cause we shouldn't have any religion crap in a video game.
It's cool that you don't dig intolerance towards other races, but you should give tolerance towards religious folk a try.Pistachio wrote:
That server cracks me up.
I dont get how they call themselfs christians when they play a war game that has people being killed.
I live in the bible belt and i'm so sick of all the church crap,
they want to change how everyone lives and what happens in your town.
If you ask me EA should shut down servers that have "Christian Gamers" cause we shouldn't have any religion crap in a video game.
got the third and hopefullly final time. IF YOU WOULD READ THE ENTIRE THREAD WE HAVE ALREADY COVERED CHRISTIANS PLAYING WAR GAMESPistachio wrote:
That server cracks me up.
I dont get how they call themselfs christians when they play a war game that has people being killed.
I live in the bible belt and i'm so sick of all the church crap,
they want to change how everyone lives and what happens in your town.
If you ask me EA should shut down servers that have "Christian Gamers" cause we shouldn't have any religion crap in a video game.
religion is just mans way of trying to come to terms with death and the need to believe their life isnt a waste. Well it probably is so meh
Ha someone -1 me for saying grow up...... Funny your really showing your age buddy feel free to neg some more.
id like to now how much positive and negative karma this thread has given. yes i know at the top it says 20, but that could mean that 50 positive and 20 negative were given
Yeah that person neg me again. Sadly he will continue until his balls drop and he grows up. Oh neg me again bud just to show your age some more. Whats even better is that I don't neg him.
I love how intolerance is socially allowed in certain subjects but not others.........
Kind of like when (some) Christians call everyone who is not a member of their religion spiritually and morally bankrupt, and thus doomed to eternal damnation in the pits of hell? Intolerance cuts both ways my friend.VaNiSh wrote:
I love how intolerance is socially allowed in certain subjects but not others.........
thats funny I dont ever rember saying that behavior was allright. I did how ever say that all of you who accuse of intolerance or bitch about how "Christians" vocalize thier faith are commiting intolerance your self. Its ok to have an adult server with a clan sig that has porn on it but the opposite end of the spectrum is offensive to you? These guys probably pay for that server, hence they make thier server rules. There are hundreds and hundreds of servers so why enter one you know isnt your style other than to stir shit. So if you find shit after looking for it dont be fucking supprised. This game does have killing in it under a war enviorment but due to the lack of blood and swearing its not rated M. I have a kid in my clan thats 12, we dont swear when hes on we just play and have a good time. So again dont be supprised if you find shit while your looking for it.
Did you? I apologize if I missed your comments earlier, but all I've seen you say is "I love how intolerance is socially allowed in certain subjects but not others.........". That's not very specific. Personally, I've played on their server a few times and have had no problems. I may think their mindset is a bit strange, but I respect their right to believe whatever they want.VaNiSh wrote:
I did how ever say that all of you who accuse of intolerance or bitch about how "Christians" vocalize thier faith are commiting intolerance your self.
All I was pointing out is the intolerance you mention against christians works both ways. There are people out there who go onto the cgo server just to stir up shit, and that is both pointless and indicating a certain lack of maturity. But then there are cgo members who come here and tell the non christians we're all sprititually reprehensible, and that our lack of faith in God makes us inferior to them. Perhaps not in so many words, but the undertones are there.
So where is the respect? I have no problems with their faith, but apparently my lack of faith has doomed me (according to certain CGO members). So tell me, if a person tells a christian that they're a moron for their beliefs, that is intolerance; but if a christian tells me im a wretch or 'lost soul' for my lack of faith, that's just their duty as a christian?
Until I hear from God that He exists and I'm going to hell for my lack of faith, I'll use the intelligence that God supposedly gave me to make up my own mind, instead of blindly believing what I'm told. If God decides to send me to hell for that, so be it. I'm sure I'll be in good company.
Move to Serious Debate?
Anyway, these +CGO+ members seem pretty rational, not like a bunch of ignorant lunatics.
I dont really follow the church itself, but I will pray to God every now and than (Trying to get into a weekly habit), and Ive found, that if I truly want something and pray to God for it, eventually it will come
I'm not saying that God is your busboy, but if you truly want it, and it makes you happy, God will do it (Not speaking on his behalf or anything, but thats what happens to me)
Recently around a year ago, I kinda went through a spiritual journey, questioning existence and everything, and it was scary, during that time I kinda turned away from God, but at the end, I had made up my own mind about the afterlife, God, Jesus, etc, And I felt better, sure you could call it placebo, but I believe that it is something far different than that.
I also differ from the bible every now and then, believing what I feel is right, life definitely has been better since I turned back to God
I am not one of the CGO members, I am not trying to "convert" anyone, I am just sharing a chapter of my life. I would say, leave these guys alone, so they try to spread their beliefs, just as long as they don't use these beliefs to control populations *Cough* Renaissance Era *Cough*
Personally, I dont believe in a eternal torture place for non-believers, I actually believe in something a little like Buddhism, where if you didn't lead proper life, you would be told this, by God, then you would be re-incarnated but with the subliminal knowledge of your past life, so you could improve
I would say for everyone, its hard to make a decision so early into your life, without it being changed, Skruples, I would wager, In some amount of time, something will happen, and your views on religion will be changed
Thats just my POV, if this offends you, I am sorry, and disregard it, after-all, I am only 14 (Lomfg! Immaturity!)
Sarrk, Out
Anyway, these +CGO+ members seem pretty rational, not like a bunch of ignorant lunatics.
I dont really follow the church itself, but I will pray to God every now and than (Trying to get into a weekly habit), and Ive found, that if I truly want something and pray to God for it, eventually it will come
I'm not saying that God is your busboy, but if you truly want it, and it makes you happy, God will do it (Not speaking on his behalf or anything, but thats what happens to me)
Recently around a year ago, I kinda went through a spiritual journey, questioning existence and everything, and it was scary, during that time I kinda turned away from God, but at the end, I had made up my own mind about the afterlife, God, Jesus, etc, And I felt better, sure you could call it placebo, but I believe that it is something far different than that.
I also differ from the bible every now and then, believing what I feel is right, life definitely has been better since I turned back to God
I am not one of the CGO members, I am not trying to "convert" anyone, I am just sharing a chapter of my life. I would say, leave these guys alone, so they try to spread their beliefs, just as long as they don't use these beliefs to control populations *Cough* Renaissance Era *Cough*
Personally, I dont believe in a eternal torture place for non-believers, I actually believe in something a little like Buddhism, where if you didn't lead proper life, you would be told this, by God, then you would be re-incarnated but with the subliminal knowledge of your past life, so you could improve
I would say for everyone, its hard to make a decision so early into your life, without it being changed, Skruples, I would wager, In some amount of time, something will happen, and your views on religion will be changed
Thats just my POV, if this offends you, I am sorry, and disregard it, after-all, I am only 14 (Lomfg! Immaturity!)
Sarrk, Out
i bet these guy's are the cooltest kats to hang out with. they like to punk people. i think its funny honestly. there whole image is one big joke..its obvious..
Damn, its times like this I wish the Debate forums were select members, half the people here are making uncontributing posts and the other half are actually trying to discuss a topic
(I know this isnt in the Serious Topic/Debate)
I am going to post a topic about in the debate section, that alright with you mods?
(I know this isnt in the Serious Topic/Debate)
I am going to post a topic about in the debate section, that alright with you mods?
I let anything else I know of christianity aside. So I look at the first paragraph and ask myself, why do christians accuse atheists of immorality? You cannot get into heaven, it does not matter how good you treated your fellow men and women, how many lives you saved after that train accident, regardless you spent 50% of your income to health projects in Africa, if you don't believe there is one. On the other hand, you may be a murderer, and if you truly believe in Christ and stuff, you will go to heaven (like on of the murderers hanging beside Jesus on the cross). You can even go on and slaughter even more people, truly believe in Christ, and ... heaven waits for you.Saying I'm a Christian doesn't make one saved. Being truly saved comes from a relationship with Christ. No good works or good deeds can get anyone into heaven. This is not something I came up with, it is what God has said. I have never claimed that I decide who goes to Heaven or Hell. But I know that without a Genuine relationship with Christ there is only eternal suffering and separation from God.
Also I doubt the God who made you and created you would make a heaven that is boring. I can see why you would think that worshiping God forever would be boring but I believe that you think this because you don't know Him. I love God and I know that I will never be board worshiping God. There is no greater joy in life than Serving God.
Until recently I thought you will be saved regardless of your belief in Jesus Christ. Then someone told me. Now my christianity goes really down the drain. I just cannot accept this kind of idea when on the other hand I am told the christian god is an all-loving one. That don't fit.
And that "there is no greater joy" stuff is even more scary to me. I think heaven is a concept, made up by judaism to reward people who contributed to the community back in ancient days. So the prospect of going to hell is not afflicting me. But to know people really are into this idea, really believing in heaven and hell, and thereby devoting much of there lifetime to a religion, trying to convert (and on top of it being successful) people to their religion, that is a scary thought, if you take my point of view.
There are already 2 or 3 running topics on religion in the debate section. Post in one of those if you have a comment.Sarrk wrote:
Damn, its times like this I wish the Debate forums were select members, half the people here are making uncontributing posts and the other half are actually trying to discuss a topic
(I know this isnt in the Serious Topic/Debate)
I am going to post a topic about in the debate section, that alright with you mods?
Anyone notice how their Server Never Crashes?
Battlelog: DaReJa
MyBFi/BF3i Admin
AKA DanielRJ
GameSurge IRC Network, Support Agent and Staff
Phuzion IRC Network, Support Director and Operator
MyBFi/BF3i Admin
AKA DanielRJ
GameSurge IRC Network, Support Agent and Staff
Phuzion IRC Network, Support Director and Operator
And it's always full.DaReJa wrote:
Anyone notice how their Server Never Crashes?
Yes, it is my choice...and yet you continue to try and "convince" me that my choice is wrong. At what point do you understand that enough is enough. Move on...try and save another "lost soul." Did you ever stop to think that your constant nagging pushes people further away? Food for thought there.+CGO+Striker2911 wrote:
Alright well if you don't want to believe there is a God in Heaven then thats your choice.
Oh boy....again with the threats on my eternal soul. To paraphrase George Carlin: "So you want me to believe in this invisible magician up in the sky who watched everything that everyone does every second of every day. And if you don't follow his rules you get to burn in a pit of fire for eternity....but HE LOVES YOU." Sorry, it just doesn't make sense to me. Call me Spock, but it's not logical. I guess that's why they call it faith...I just don't buy it. So please, give up on me and follow the 11th Commandment: Keep thy religion to thy self.+CGO+Striker2911 wrote:
Let me ask you this though.
Would you rather trust in a God in Heaven who sent His only Son to Die for your Sins so you could be forgiven and live a life for him so when you die you will escape the second death which is Hell (the lake of fire) and live with God in a New Heaven Forever?
or
Would you rather live the way you want? Then say you die tomorrow and wow uh heres God and he doesn't look happy with me uhh Wow I guess you do exist. I'm sorry.....God says away from me I never knew you! Then you spend eternity in Hell being tortured with the worst type of pain you couldn't even imagine.
Well which would you choose?
I don't believe in either outcome of your "either/or" choice up above, so I can't give you an honest answer. If it turns out that everything you say is true...well, so be it. Life's a bitch, get a helmet. I'll go down to hell with all the rock stars and fun people.
And yet you keep trying to "scare" everyone else with the threat of buring in hell forever. Interesting. I've said it before, people have the right to find their own faith, make their own choice. They shouldn't be bullied into it. Expecially something as personal as faith.+CGO+Striker2911 wrote:
This is just a way to look at it. I didn't accept Christ because I was scared of Hell I accepted Christ for what He Did for me dieing for me so that I could live with Him in Heaven forever.
One thing I've always wondered. Heaven is supposed to be this place where you get everything that you want. That you are eternally happy, etc. So what if your true love, or your children, mother, father, etc. didn't get into heaven? Could you really be eternally happy without them? Would they then be exempt so that they could come to heaven and make you happy??+CGO+Striker2911 wrote:
We were made to Glorify God not to live a life bound by sin.
Hell is the Punishment for sin and nothing I could ever do could pay for that sin only Christ's death and resurrection were acceptable payment for my sin. That is why I love him for what He did for me while I was still a sinner.
This is not a attack on anyone just want to explain why I believe what I do.
Listen, you sound like a decent guy and I have no problems with you or CGO or christians in general. Believe what you want, I do not care. Diversity and tolerance is a wonderful thing. But please, do not try and force your beliefs on me. Do not belittle me. Do not try and save me. Do not pity me. And for God's sake, do not pray for me. I don't think I can be any clearer than that.
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Very well said. I agree 150%. Nice double standards pointed out there.Skruples wrote:
Did you? I apologize if I missed your comments earlier, but all I've seen you say is "I love how intolerance is socially allowed in certain subjects but not others.........". That's not very specific. Personally, I've played on their server a few times and have had no problems. I may think their mindset is a bit strange, but I respect their right to believe whatever they want.VaNiSh wrote:
I did how ever say that all of you who accuse of intolerance or bitch about how "Christians" vocalize thier faith are commiting intolerance your self.
All I was pointing out is the intolerance you mention against christians works both ways. There are people out there who go onto the cgo server just to stir up shit, and that is both pointless and indicating a certain lack of maturity. But then there are cgo members who come here and tell the non christians we're all sprititually reprehensible, and that our lack of faith in God makes us inferior to them. Perhaps not in so many words, but the undertones are there.
So where is the respect? I have no problems with their faith, but apparently my lack of faith has doomed me (according to certain CGO members). So tell me, if a person tells a christian that they're a moron for their beliefs, that is intolerance; but if a christian tells me im a wretch or 'lost soul' for my lack of faith, that's just their duty as a christian?
Until I hear from God that He exists and I'm going to hell for my lack of faith, I'll use the intelligence that God supposedly gave me to make up my own mind, instead of blindly believing what I'm told. If God decides to send me to hell for that, so be it. I'm sure I'll be in good company.