BF2S Forums My salute to the Yanks as a Brit

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

I may give a few limeys grief from time to time,

Thanks for the compliment dude!  I love it when I get called a limey because it celebrates our medical discoveries.  I could think of worse if they chose to use them!

* Limeys comes from British sailors who discovered that the vitamin c in limes prevented the crew contracting scurvey.

I was going to put that in my racial slurs post, cant find my old paper I worte on it yet.

And with the SAS training the NAVY SEALS it makes for a strong partnership.

Jinto-sk wrote:

[bpuk]jack wrote:

I admire the gun - ho way of the americans and i like President Bush :-) think he does great things even if he isn't all that bright.  The USA (I dont care what anyone says) supplied many of the troops for Iraq and initiated teh conflict in which Britain stood firm as an ally.

I have to support teh military actions of out nations because I'm going into the RAF.

God bless the link our nations share and lets hope it continues to rid this world of hatred and tyranny

How old are you before I comment

almost 16...getting into teh RAF early through welbeck defence sixth form college for the experience..Im going in as a medical officer (doctor)..got some work ex. in november for it too

Hehe jinto lol your following all my posts :-)

atlvolunteer wrote:

I have always held you brits in high regard and am glad that we have remained such good allies.

since 1765 God bless the Brits On 6/06/06

Last edited by =TFF=Omen_NataS (2006-06-06 08:17:24)

Zeon. wrote:

Yes we will form a ub3r l33t army one day and dominate everyone [SAS and Navy Seals Utd.]

oh yes because democracy is so much about domination
good to see you know what you're fighting for.

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

The brits were Great strategists, pretty good fighters, they were one of the main forces that were in MARKET GARDEN.

to bubbalo: u need to work on ur jokes... i dont get it...
to [bpuk]jack: good luck in the RAF mate, ima join RAAF when im older i love being a jetwhore lol

I love England as well ninja.but to use market garden as an example of the Brits strategical talents is a bad idea...........We lost that one lol

[RaWr]-Impsux wrote:

I support Bush aswell. He is a good leader, He does stumble over his words but that doesn't change the fact that he's doing whats best for this country. When we were attacked by terrorists you know everyone wanted to goto war. When troops started started getting killed I think people started blaming bush and he lost alot of support.
It's war, people die and theres nothing you can do about it but appreciate what they are doing.

I support my President. And the troops fighting the good fight.

brainwashed much? yes please

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

The brits were Great strategists, pretty good fighters, they were one of the main forces that were in MARKET GARDEN.

Because the Americans thought it was a terrible idea

It was risky, but if it worked it was well paid off... but the problem is that they didnt have enough time to close the gap, then the germans found the exploit. but seriously, the brits were brilliantly at planning

Look, I would start a new thread over this issue, but I'll make my points here.  I'm in no way anti-British, anti-European on anti- anyone in anyway. 

There are many historians who would vastly disagree with the notion that Market Garden was a "successful operation".  Yes, we did gain many important bridges, but the key to the entire operation was Arnhem.  Last year, in June, my parents and I went to Europe, and at my request we visited lots of WW2 sites.  We even visited Arnhem... I'll send you some photos if you'd like.

We talked with many, many people, about Market Garden, including the Warden of a cemetary in the Ardennes region. 

The truth is, Market Garden was a disaster.  Read "A Bridge Too Far" by Cornelius Ryan.  The British were great during World War 2, but the fact was that Market Garden was, and still is, viewed as the most costly mistake made by the Allies on the Western Front during World War 2.

I'll sum it up, from what I know. 

- We had one week to plan the invasion of Holland.  The British, yes, the BRITISH who were involved with planning the Arnhem assault, and the rest of Operation Market Garden, failed miserably.

- Allied intel was a miserable failure.  We ignored countless reports from resistance fighters (the Dutch underground) that the Germans were gathering thousands of troops and equipment, which we did not even think they had.

Look, I could literally write 5 or 6 pages of stuff I know about Market Garden.  It was NOT a success, and the guilt should lie with the British.  It was poorly planned, poorly executed, and poorly concluded. 

Of the 10,000 paratroopers who dropped into Arnhem, only 2,000 made back to Allied lines alive.  It took the Allies over half the expected time to drive northward up "Hell's Highway", which was then a single lane road, of which thousands of vehicles from the British XXX Corps. were moving along. 

A Bridge Too Far - by Cornelius Ryan

>>READ THE BOOK<<

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

It was risky, but if it worked it was well paid off... but the problem is that they didnt have enough time to close the gap, then the germans found the exploit. but seriously, the brits were brilliantly at planning

I'm sorry, and I don't mean to offend you, but nothing could be farther from the truth.  I could go into so many details.... radios which were not suited for urban combat, poor drop zone locations, ignorant of the possibility the Germans still had the fight left in them.  Etc, that's only the begining.

Read it.  Please.  You will be amazed.  "A Bridge Too Far" by Cornelius Ryan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ … c_Planning

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-06-07 00:39:06)

[bpuk]jack wrote:

I admire the gun - ho way of the americans and i like President Bush :-) think he does great things even if he isn't all that bright.  The USA (I dont care what anyone says) supplied many of the troops for Iraq and initiated teh conflict in which Britain stood firm as an ally.

I have to support teh military actions of out nations because I'm going into the RAF.

God bless the link our nations share and lets hope it continues to rid this world of hatred and tyranny

u must be a yank in pommies clothing

Bubbalo wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Bubbalo has no idea what he's talking about.  It WAS a terrible idea.  Read "A Bridge Too Far".  See the movie.  Then you'll see why it was a massive failure on the British part.

When did I say it was a good idea?

Well, usually the "rolling eyes" symbolizes sarcasm.  Now, I agree with some of your politics, Bubbalo, but the fact is is that you will do anything and everything to diss America.

Now, assuming rolling eyes means sarcasm,

Bubbalo wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

The brits were Great strategists, pretty good fighters, they were one of the main forces that were in MARKET GARDEN.

Because the Americans thought it was a terrible idea

I'm very sorry if I'm wrong, if you were not indicating sarcasm by using the rolling eyes smiley, I will delete that section from my post and give you a point of karma.

To me, it seems like you were A) Agreeing with him but calling it a terrible idea, but negating the terrible with the rolling eyes, or B) You made a statement which really makes no sense.

Bubbalo wrote:

Ah!  What I meant was that it was a dumb idea, but to blame it on the British was stupid.  If the Americans wanted they could easily have prevented it going ahead.  Sorry, I was unclear.

yerded wrote:

Spearhead gets my vote for historical maverick of the forum.

Vote me for President and I'll assure it.  Honest. 

I'm sorry.

Ok, what I was referring to was the tendency by some nations (esp. Britain, but America also), to view the troops of other nations as inferior and do with them as they wish.  Britain was particularly bad at this as often the wished to have troops charge machine gun nests.  I wasn't bagging ANZACs.

Munson.AUS wrote:

Ok good.
Because Gallipoli was Britains fault.
Its not like we decided to just charge ay machine gun fire because we were bored.

It is a good boredom killer though.