Well, I never said it was "wrong" or "incorrect," but I think it looks retarded.
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I'll say to just play however you'd like. If folks don't like it, tough teets to them. Anyone that complains is just mad b/c they didn't kill you, or at least had a hard time doing so. I have more respect for a bunny hoping, strafing, proning, dolphin diver than I do for a fucking whiner. That being said, the only 'abuse' as some call it that ever bothered me was the grenade launcher, and my only real comment then was that if I wanted to play Quake or UT, I'd bloody well load that game and instant kill until I was bored with it....again.
When I first saw the thread title, I assume you meant the hack type of exploits. I've many times suspected something fishy in-game, but last night, I had a few deaths that were absolutely hacks. Thankfully, that person was kicked almost immediately as I wasn't the only one that noticed. I was killed 2-3 times while positioned in such a manner that it HAD TO BE THROUGH THE WALL. I mean, I knew where he was, and put a wall between us, and he could kill me in one shot. Another time I was in a place that only had a single ladder to get there (no other way to that position at all), and I had claymored it (don't play sniper often, so yes, I still get on roofs), and he still got me.
When I first saw the thread title, I assume you meant the hack type of exploits. I've many times suspected something fishy in-game, but last night, I had a few deaths that were absolutely hacks. Thankfully, that person was kicked almost immediately as I wasn't the only one that noticed. I was killed 2-3 times while positioned in such a manner that it HAD TO BE THROUGH THE WALL. I mean, I knew where he was, and put a wall between us, and he could kill me in one shot. Another time I was in a place that only had a single ladder to get there (no other way to that position at all), and I had claymored it (don't play sniper often, so yes, I still get on roofs), and he still got me.
Nyte poses some very important questions here. I have been called a bunnyhopper because I jumped once. Now we ALL know that there are anti-exploiters on these forums because we have all heard them bitch. So I personally would like to second the motion to answer to these questions.
1) How many jumps may I execute when I meet someone in a battle without being labeled a "bunny hopper"?
- None.(you know that,when you jump and kill somebody you are a bunnyhopping bastard)
2) Am I allowed to instant prone when I see the enemy? If not, how many seconds should I stand there before I may prone?
- No. 60 seconds.
3) How many meters am I allowed to move (side-to-side) to stay under the limit of movement-spamming?
- 5.7,but hard to measure that,so better stand still,that's the easiest way to make nobody feel pwned.
4) Am I allowed to dolphin dive only once (the initial enemy encounter)? Or am I restricted from doing it at all?
- Are you Flipper?
5) Can I "bunny hop" when I do not see the enemy, but I see their bullets hit the area around me?
- Makes no difference to the enemy if you see him or not,when he shoots at you he will SEE YOU,hopping around like a rabbit on coke.
6) Am I allowed to jump over the enemy when he prones to confuse him and kill him from behind?
- In close combat everything is allowed.If you wanna hop and dive,do it in a knife fight.
7) How many prones are allowed when I initially face the enemy without being called a "prone spammer"?
- 1,after that either you or the enemy should be dead
8) How many seconds am I allowed to sprint to run away from the enemy without being labeled a "bullet dodger"?
- As long as your sprint lasts...bullet dodger,what comes next?Shooter?Walker?
9) If a tank approaches me, am I allowed to "bunny hop" to safety or am I restricted to walking around the corner?
- The tank shell doesn't care about hopping,the tanker just needs to hit near you,so jump away.
10) How many side-to-side movements are allowed when I face the enemy lest I be called a "strafe spammer"?
- See question 8.What comes next?Bullet-spammer?
- None.(you know that,when you jump and kill somebody you are a bunnyhopping bastard)
2) Am I allowed to instant prone when I see the enemy? If not, how many seconds should I stand there before I may prone?
- No. 60 seconds.
3) How many meters am I allowed to move (side-to-side) to stay under the limit of movement-spamming?
- 5.7,but hard to measure that,so better stand still,that's the easiest way to make nobody feel pwned.
4) Am I allowed to dolphin dive only once (the initial enemy encounter)? Or am I restricted from doing it at all?
- Are you Flipper?
5) Can I "bunny hop" when I do not see the enemy, but I see their bullets hit the area around me?
- Makes no difference to the enemy if you see him or not,when he shoots at you he will SEE YOU,hopping around like a rabbit on coke.
6) Am I allowed to jump over the enemy when he prones to confuse him and kill him from behind?
- In close combat everything is allowed.If you wanna hop and dive,do it in a knife fight.
7) How many prones are allowed when I initially face the enemy without being called a "prone spammer"?
- 1,after that either you or the enemy should be dead
8) How many seconds am I allowed to sprint to run away from the enemy without being labeled a "bullet dodger"?
- As long as your sprint lasts...bullet dodger,what comes next?Shooter?Walker?
9) If a tank approaches me, am I allowed to "bunny hop" to safety or am I restricted to walking around the corner?
- The tank shell doesn't care about hopping,the tanker just needs to hit near you,so jump away.
10) How many side-to-side movements are allowed when I face the enemy lest I be called a "strafe spammer"?
- See question 8.What comes next?Bullet-spammer?
Lol, yes, thats what i think about everybody who kills me!!! J/k of course...Nicholas Langdon wrote:
its all irrelivent, if you do anything but stand still and shoot your gun straight up into the air upon spawning, you are a bunny hopping, movment spaming, base camping, vehicle whoring, noob. thats my understanding though. oh and if you somehow succed at killing a enemy, your using a aimbot.
Why only those below 1st Lt? I guess you are assuming that those with lower scores are not leet, or whatever the term is. I dislike players that "exploit" as well. I have respect for players that can use cover and concealment to their advantage or who can take an enemy spawn using good "tactics". Being able to master a keystroke to make your in-game character look like an epileptic on crack is not my idea of a good player.Nyte wrote:
Seeing as how I'm in a "learning" mood, I would like to adjust and play in which the "game was intended to be played". These people insist on rejecting bunny hopping, dolphin diving, instant proning, and movement spamming (Mostly aimed at ranks lower than 1st lieutenant) and I would like to know the realism limits.
Just because you "can" do something, doesn't mean you "should" do it. That's why they have the "tilt" feature on pinball games (for those of you old enough to know what a pionball game is). It's like the new Cartillery issue that now exists. I don't know how they are fixing it in 1.4, but I'd rather not have that commander ability if it is going to be exploited how it has been. Destroying enemy artillery with vehicle drops - stupid!
I do not fault anyone for utilizing movements in the game that exist - to a point. Most of the blame falls on the developers. They need to design the game so people are not able to create an advantage from "keystroke" manuevers. removing the ability to fire while jumping and creating an arming distance on grenade launchers was a great fix. I would have stopped playing this game a long time ago from sheer frustration of having to deal with all the noob toobers.
Using that logic, then people who get inside the hotel in Karkand are OK with you. The fact remains that people are doing things in the game that the developers, by their own admission, never intended.ThomasMorgan wrote:
If you're not supposed to do it, it shouldn't be in the game.
Agreed. And to all the realism nubs, I say SHUT UP AND STOP NERFING BF2.ThomasMorgan wrote:
As long as you're alive and the enemy is dead, it's ok in my book. If you're not supposed to do it, it shouldn't be in the game.Nyte wrote:
Please answer the questions in the order in which they are presented.usmarine2005 wrote:
If you look like a monkey fucking a football, you are a tool.
The only time when i complain about BH/DD/etc is when i'm on Teamspeak with my mates and i'm engaging one of this species on the Battlefield. Some of this stuff i do myself, to one simply reason: Staying Alive. For Example Dolphin Diving/Bunny Hopping when you're waiting for a vehicle, Bunny Hopping/Searching cover when reloading, Bunny Hopping to a nearby cover when i don't know where the shots are coming from a.s.o.
As for Dolphin Diving when you're engaging an enemy - if it's only one enemy you're engaging, you're wasting a lot of time (even if it's only miliseconds), but in this team you could have placed your first shots or placed a well aimed shot for the head.
And to answer your questions:
1) How many jumps may I execute when I meet someone in a battle without being labeled a "bunny hopper"?
As much as you want!
2) Am I allowed to instant prone when I see the enemy? If not, how many seconds should I stand there before I may prone?
Yes, of course - everyone does this to get the accuracy bonus if the situation and surroundings allow it. On the other side, if you see me on the server - you're NOT allowed to move at all!
3) How many meters am I allowed to move (side-to-side) to stay under the limit of movement-spamming?
As much as you want!
4) Am I allowed to dolphin dive only once (the initial enemy encounter)? Or am I restricted from doing it at all?
How you like it!
5) Can I "bunny hop" when I do not see the enemy, but I see their bullets hit the area around me?
No! Don't move - so that the guy with the bad aim (who has already wasted shots) has at least a chance to hit you/the target.
6) Am I allowed to jump over the enemy when he prones to confuse him and kill him from behind?
Yeah, sure.
7) How many prones are allowed when I initially face the enemy without being called a "prone spammer"?
Depends on how many time do you want to waste until you kill your enemy and increase the chances of a good player to kill you.
8) How many seconds am I allowed to sprint to run away from the enemy without being labeled a "bullet dodger"?
Until your sprint power is at zero - if you can sprint longer prepared to get called a haXx0R!
9) If a tank approaches me, am I allowed to "bunny hop" to safety or am I restricted to walking around the corner?
Either not - you have to stand still and let the tank kill you.
10) How many side-to-side movements are allowed when I face the enemy lest I be called a "strafe spammer"?
20 Pixels to the left, 35 Pixels to the right.
One question to you Nyte - did you really thought someone answers all the questions serious?
As for Dolphin Diving when you're engaging an enemy - if it's only one enemy you're engaging, you're wasting a lot of time (even if it's only miliseconds), but in this team you could have placed your first shots or placed a well aimed shot for the head.
And to answer your questions:
1) How many jumps may I execute when I meet someone in a battle without being labeled a "bunny hopper"?
As much as you want!
2) Am I allowed to instant prone when I see the enemy? If not, how many seconds should I stand there before I may prone?
Yes, of course - everyone does this to get the accuracy bonus if the situation and surroundings allow it. On the other side, if you see me on the server - you're NOT allowed to move at all!
3) How many meters am I allowed to move (side-to-side) to stay under the limit of movement-spamming?
As much as you want!
4) Am I allowed to dolphin dive only once (the initial enemy encounter)? Or am I restricted from doing it at all?
How you like it!
5) Can I "bunny hop" when I do not see the enemy, but I see their bullets hit the area around me?
No! Don't move - so that the guy with the bad aim (who has already wasted shots) has at least a chance to hit you/the target.
6) Am I allowed to jump over the enemy when he prones to confuse him and kill him from behind?
Yeah, sure.
7) How many prones are allowed when I initially face the enemy without being called a "prone spammer"?
Depends on how many time do you want to waste until you kill your enemy and increase the chances of a good player to kill you.
8) How many seconds am I allowed to sprint to run away from the enemy without being labeled a "bullet dodger"?
Until your sprint power is at zero - if you can sprint longer prepared to get called a haXx0R!
9) If a tank approaches me, am I allowed to "bunny hop" to safety or am I restricted to walking around the corner?
Either not - you have to stand still and let the tank kill you.
10) How many side-to-side movements are allowed when I face the enemy lest I be called a "strafe spammer"?
20 Pixels to the left, 35 Pixels to the right.
One question to you Nyte - did you really thought someone answers all the questions serious?
Wow, I wonder how many people have answered here, if I go back and search, bitched about the "bunny hoping noob tubers."
Hehe, would be interessting to seeusmarine2005 wrote:
Wow, I wonder how many people have answered here, if I go back and search, bitched about the "bunny hoping noob tubers."
Yeah,but the difference is that with the bunnyhopping noobtubers it was like fighting in a UT deathmatch,a game-style probably the most people didn't want when they bought BF2...usmarine2005 wrote:
Wow, I wonder how many people have answered here, if I go back and search, bitched about the "bunny hoping noob tubers."
You forgot to ask...
How many kills may i make with the Grenade Launcher before i am concidered a 'Noob-Tuber'?
How many kills may i make with the Grenade Launcher before i am concidered a 'Noob-Tuber'?
My answer is none to all of them. They are are good tactics, especially bunny hopping so I can kill you faster.Nyte wrote:
Seeing as how I'm in a "learning" mood, I would like to adjust and play in which the "game was intended to be played". These people insist on rejecting bunny hopping, dolphin diving, instant proning, and movement spamming (Mostly aimed at ranks lower than 1st lieutenant) and I would like to know the realism limits.
Please answer these questions in order when replying:
1) How many jumps may I execute when I meet someone in a battle without being labeled a "bunny hopper"?
2) Am I allowed to instant prone when I see the enemy? If not, how many seconds should I stand there before I may prone?
3) How many meters am I allowed to move (side-to-side) to stay under the limit of movement-spamming?
4) Am I allowed to dolphin dive only once (the initial enemy encounter)? Or am I restricted from doing it at all?
5) Can I "bunny hop" when I do not see the enemy, but I see their bullets hit the area around me?
6) Am I allowed to jump over the enemy when he prones to confuse him and kill him from behind?
7) How many prones are allowed when I initially face the enemy without being called a "prone spammer"?
8) How many seconds am I allowed to sprint to run away from the enemy without being labeled a "bullet dodger"?
9) If a tank approaches me, am I allowed to "bunny hop" to safety or am I restricted to walking around the corner?
10) How many side-to-side movements are allowed when I face the enemy lest I be called a "strafe spammer"?
These are serious questions and are not intended to laugh at the complainers.
Ok, but if it kills the enemy and you live, it is ok right? Just trying to understand peoples logic here.Mj.Blindfisch wrote:
Yeah,but the difference is that with the bunnyhopping noobtubers it was like fighting in a UT deathmatch,a game-style probably the most people didn't want when they bought BF2...usmarine2005 wrote:
Wow, I wonder how many people have answered here, if I go back and search, bitched about the "bunny hoping noob tubers."
ThomasMorgan wrote:
As long as you're alive and the enemy is dead, it's ok in my book. If you're not supposed to do it, it shouldn't be in the game.Nyte wrote:
Please answer the questions in the order in which they are presented.usmarine2005 wrote:
If you look like a monkey fucking a football, you are a tool.
Why fight a bullet with a bullet if it is in the game?ThomasMorgan wrote:
yeah, i'll admit, i hate when i surprise a guy, i shoot him a couple times and he just unloads a grenade in my face.
fight bullets with bullets.
Last edited by usmarine2005 (2006-06-23 15:58:21)
Killing with the grenade launcher is ok,as long as you don't walk around with it as your primary weapon,in 1.12 it was like playing UT,jumping around corners shooting the grenades right on the floor.PunkX wrote:
You forgot to ask...
How many kills may i make with the Grenade Launcher before i am concidered a 'Noob-Tuber'?
Nowadays I don't see many GL-kills,and effectively using it on long range(how it's supposed to be used if you wanna play kind of realistic..) is a rare skill.
I edited my initial post to remove the insinuation that 1st lieutenants and above never complain about "exploits".
Fixed, and a due apology to the "exploiter" complainers with ranks higher than 1st lieutenant.
I am still awaiting an answer from these enlightened ones.
Fixed, and a due apology to the "exploiter" complainers with ranks higher than 1st lieutenant.
I am still awaiting an answer from these enlightened ones.
Alpha as fuck.
Wow, someones on their rag, i just got that and some negative karma. *rolls eyes*FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU TAKE THIS -1 KARMA AND GO KILL YOUR SELF YOU EMO BASTERD
VeNg3nCe^ wrote:
Agreed. And to all the realism nubs, I say SHUT UP AND STOP NERFING BF2.ThomasMorgan wrote:
As long as you're alive and the enemy is dead, it's ok in my book. If you're not supposed to do it, it shouldn't be in the game.Nyte wrote:
Please answer the questions in the order in which they are presented.
Sounds to me like you wanted some sort of realism. I could be wrong.VeNg3nCe^ wrote:
I will be glad when the noob toobs and dolphin diving is taken out because it is stupid, but until we get 1.2 its the only way to survive on maps like Karkand.ThomasMorgan wrote:
ok?
have fun when the new patch comes out and you're left with no skill whatsoever.
Last edited by usmarine2005 (2006-06-23 15:59:06)
I am in the process of sending out PM's to these individuals (by looking in other threads) with a link pointing to this thread lest they missed it by accident.
Hopefully I can gather up a census and put an end to how BF2 should be played.
Hopefully I can gather up a census and put an end to how BF2 should be played.
Alpha as fuck.
i thought you were laughing AT the emo kids, are you? or are you emo? and screw whoever said that, i gave you a point for your post, it was hilarious! so that will offset the dork who can't spell the word "bastard".PunkX wrote:
Wow, someones on their rag, i just got that and some negative karma. *rolls eyes*FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU TAKE THIS -1 KARMA AND GO KILL YOUR SELF YOU EMO BASTERD
With a name like 'Tearsofromance' in game what do you think, lol.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
i thought you were laughing AT the emo kids, are you? or are you emo? and screw whoever said that, i gave you a point for your post, it was hilarious! so that will offset the dork who can't spell the word "bastard".PunkX wrote:
Wow, someones on their rag, i just got that and some negative karma. *rolls eyes*FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU TAKE THIS -1 KARMA AND GO KILL YOUR SELF YOU EMO BASTERD
Then again, my screen name on here is PunkX...
im just sew kewl, thtz all... 8(@)_(@)8
The only way you will be accepted into the BF2 community:
-When you see an enemy, don't move. Go prone, wait a second, and then start shooting. use at least eight shots to kill your enemy
-Despite this, you may spam claymores to your hearts content. It's the hardest skill in the game to learn!
-Revive fallen friendlies, under ANY circumstances, other than them being within 60 meters of you.
-Only use the spec ops kit. Medic is for noobs, supports are whores, assaults are noobtubers, AT's are shotteh noobs
-Crash jets and choppers within 60 seconds of leaving the airfield
-the most effective way of killing the enemy is always by having the bigger vehicle. Therefore, you are obliged to try and get an APC.
-When you see an enemy, don't move. Go prone, wait a second, and then start shooting. use at least eight shots to kill your enemy
-Despite this, you may spam claymores to your hearts content. It's the hardest skill in the game to learn!
-Revive fallen friendlies, under ANY circumstances, other than them being within 60 meters of you.
-Only use the spec ops kit. Medic is for noobs, supports are whores, assaults are noobtubers, AT's are shotteh noobs
-Crash jets and choppers within 60 seconds of leaving the airfield
-the most effective way of killing the enemy is always by having the bigger vehicle. Therefore, you are obliged to try and get an APC.
I believe my overall response answered your questions. It is not a matter of how many times you jump or how far you move side to side. As stated above this is not UT. Just because something exists in the game does not mean you should use it. However, because it does exist, people will use it.Nyte wrote:
I edited my initial post to remove the insinuation that 1st lieutenants and above never complain about "exploits".
Fixed, and a due apology to the "exploiter" complainers with ranks higher than 1st lieutenant.
I am still awaiting an answer from these enlightened ones.
And because you reserve the right to use an "exploit", I reserve the right to complain about it. Thankfully enough people have complained to get a lot of problems resolved: noob toobing, worthless AA missles, support gun with sniper accuracy, etc, etc.
You are welcome to use any tactic you want because you bought your game just like anyone else. But, don't complain about the complainers because the money they paid for the game gives them the right to complain if they wish to get something changed if that is their intention. (Then again I guess you have the right to complain about the complainers too).
i got called a bunny hopper today by some prick. it was wake and i joined halfway through the round, seemed as i joined that the whole server was full of tards as they were like on 20 pooints max. so anyway i play and before long im on 100+ points (40 infantry kills), some guy who i constantly owned goes oh your bunny hopping thats why you have that many. WTF!yes if bunny hopping is lieing on the ground when you see an enemy to get a better shot then yeh i was bunny hopping. anyway i ended the round at 137 points my nearest rival was at 64. that'l teach um for not knowing what bunny hoping really means
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