BF2S Forums Why do people hate Microsoft so much?

Aaah, so that's what the genuine windows advantage tool does. Time to install it when I get home.

Genuine copies of windows FTW!

Dude, you are talking to 2% of the computer owners... " Don't Care "

Kisses & Hugs!

Linux wouldn't have the problems that Windows does because of it's "ancient OS system topology".  A virus doesn't work in Linux.  And worms, a real linux problem, are pretty easy to fix if you know what you are looking for.

After spending 4 days trying to disinfect a malware ridden machine, Windows does blow.  But it is a problem that I will deal with since all the good games are written for Windows.

What I find funny is most games are written for Windows, but the servers are written for Linux.

nyte you are right.

Windows XP Professinoal can be a very very good OS if you 1. know how to use it, 2. know what software you should run and 3. configure it correctly.

However, Linux has indeed a couple of advantages that Windows doesn't have, but I still prefer Windows.


And if you think that you configured Windows correctly and you still hate it, then you are obviously don't know how to use it and this is your damned fault and not windows'.

Last edited by lord_tyler_486 (2006-06-30 08:53:18)

-r3-anubis wrote:

Microsoft programs suck, Windows Media Player is the worst. Only reason I use it becuase its the only decent to use.

Wait, media player sucks ... but it's the best?  Huh ...

Burning_Monkey - rather than spending 4 days, back up your info, format/reload.  You're up in a few hours.  As for why Linux is used for servers and Windows for games ... that's simple.  Use the correct tool for the job.  If you have a philips screw head, don't use a flat head.  Linux is good for sitting and hosting, however not as friendly for actually running the client software.  It is more modular and allows for starting/stopping of services easier w/o having to reboot the machine, which is an advantage of Linux.  However, the expertise required to do this is usually prohibitive as most computer users are morons or simply don't want to mess with it.  Why debug a program when you can just reboot - doesn't work for server, but certainly does for a client.  All programmers are sloppy as hell anyway.

1.  File system is old and absolutely archaic.

2.  Developing for Windows is an absolutely horrible experience, especially when it comes to font display support and app installation.

3.  They are largely unoriginal...just trying to implement ideas that Apple comes up with and twisting them enough to keep them under the guise of being from microsoft.

4.  As Lord tyler said above, XP Pro can be a good OS if you configure it correctly and know what you are doing.  Those types of people are outnumbered by the rest of the market share...older people just starting up with computers, office workers who happen to have bad IT, schools who need to lock down the systems for limited use...Windows just is not a user friendly environment at all.

5. I'm going to look at manual uninstallation processes for Adobe After Effects.  On my Mac, all I have to do is delete the application folder out of my Applications directory.  There are one or two preference files in the Library that could go, but is not really necessary.

On Windows, you have to go through this fucking involved and nearly one hour process of pouring through the Registry, deleting specific numbers and registration codes, while hunting through several folders of the system just to manually uninstall one application.  Archaic and ridiculous, and extremely non-user friendly if you don't know what you are doing.

6.  Last but not least, Windows and Microsoft Products are portals, catalysts, and carriers for viruses.

Good perspective, Nyte. People are just dying to hate Microsoft cuz it's cool to hate the big successful company. It's as close to "raging against the machine" as most people will ever get. There are people out there who have tried other products and legitimately like them better, but in most cases you get people who think they're impressing others with how tech savvy they are. They complain MS sucks, but they don't like anything else better. If asked for a reason why, it's always some vague "it crashes" bs. And like you said, that's almost always caused by the crap they have on their machine.

+1 to you

puckmercury wrote:

-r3-anubis wrote:

Microsoft programs suck, Windows Media Player is the worst. Only reason I use it becuase its the only decent to use.

Wait, media player sucks ... but it's the best?  Huh ...

Burning_Monkey - rather than spending 4 days, back up your info, format/reload.  You're up in a few hours.  As for why Linux is used for servers and Windows for games ... that's simple.  Use the correct tool for the job.  If you have a philips screw head, don't use a flat head.  Linux is good for sitting and hosting, however not as friendly for actually running the client software.  It is more modular and allows for starting/stopping of services easier w/o having to reboot the machine, which is an advantage of Linux.  However, the expertise required to do this is usually prohibitive as most computer users are morons or simply don't want to mess with it.  Why debug a program when you can just reboot - doesn't work for server, but certainly does for a client.  All programmers are sloppy as hell anyway.

I can't format and reinstall, or I would have done that already.  I do some times know what I am doing.

And you hit the nail on the head with Linux.  The user interface blows.  As a friend of mine put it, "User unfriendly, techie tolerant".  And nothing pains me more than trying to research how to do something in Linux.  FOR FUCK'S SAKE PEOPLE, LEARN TO WRITE DOCUMENTATION!!!!  Even when you do find some what you think is good stuff, it is months, if not years out of date, and thus not even that useful.  I like Linux very much, but I do not use it on a daily basis or I would probably hate it too.  Maybe the reason I hate M$ is because most of the time I spend on a computer is trying to deal with stuff that some one else has fucked up and can't get to work right.

Yes, we all know that their OSes are built on top of undocumented, unintelligible legacy code from their earlier incarnations, but recent Microsoft hate is fashionable.

e.g.
I have an off-licence and we sell good quality wine.  Don't bother me with posts about how great the £2.99 bottle of Pinot Gris from Tesco is, you're wrong.
However, there is something called the ABC crowd; Anything But Chardonnay.  Now the reason that Chardonnay has become so popular is neither here nor there.  Point is, it's now fasionable to hate Chardonnay, when really if you buy it somewhere decent, Chardonnay is still a top grape.

Same thing.  We were all bitching about Microsoft back in the Win95 days, because the Apple was there for the simpletons, Amiga still had a vague foothold and actually had a decent and stable OS, but the poor business users were forced to put up with the Business solution - Windows.  Of course, things have moved on and MS are pretty good at plastering over the cracks.  They still have issues, but considering how large their sourcecode archive is, I think they do a fairly decent job. 

Five/Ten years ago, we bitched about MS.  Those not in the know about computers followed suit thinking it made them look clever.  Time moved on, we stopped bitching, they didn't.

Just my two cents.

Bill Gates is a beast.

-r3-anubis wrote:

Homeschtar wrote:

You just contradicted yourself. You said WMP was the worst, and then you said it was decent. Which one?

You dumbass
WMP is the worse since it freezes up alot. The only reason I use it because I don't like the way Winamp, ITunes, and Real Player works or feels. And those are harder to use.

Lolsauce, it isn't the worst if you prefer it over other media players then, is it?

If you think Windows doesn't have a kernel, then you have no idea what you're talking about.  It's in C:\windows\system32 folder.  I know because I've trashed it a couple of times (I tinker around too much).  The kernel may be an ancient, but it is not obsolete.  Every OS I've seen has one.  One benefit to linux is the ability to customize everything, so the kernel is not hidden from the user.

On the topic of "security issues":
Wrong.  Linux is not more vulneable to viruses for one simple reason: administration.  Windows runs its users as administrators so viruses and other malicious software can run themselves without worrying about permissions.  Linux does not run this way.  Its users are not administrators.  If you want to do something do the system you must enter the root (administrator) password or it isn't going to happen.  Thus viruses can only infect user accounts, which is a simple fix.

As far as the amount of viruses, it is true that the market share belongs to MS (though your numbers are off) so more viruses are written for Windows.  However, MS does not fix security issues as they are found.  They are given priorities and fixed accordingly.  A recent epidemic (a worm, if I recall) could have been avoided if MS would just fix them instead of sitting on them for months.  MS makes it easy to write and release viruses simply because of the amount of security issues they have.

Don't get me wrong.  Linux has its share of security problems too.  But being community driven, patches are found and fixed within days.  There is no comparison when it comes to user-end security.

Where did you get your facts on this?  Microsoft's website?  We all know MS practices dirty marketing techniques to push their product.  They are afraid of linux because it is a better built OS than their unsecure software, so they resort to BS marketing research from partners to help keep their place on the throne.  If you don't believe me, than why is MS's legal past so "colorful"?

Now before you go thinking I'm shitting on MS, I'm not.  MS has a place just like Linux, UNIX, and all the other OSes in the world.  I'm really shitting on Nyte for not knowing what the hell he's talking about.  I use both OSes.  Windows for gaming and Linux for everything else.

I agree with the rest of what you said.  The Microsoft Genuine advantage and product activation are to stop software piracy.  Its annoying, but necessary.  Security starts with knowledge.  If you know to keep your shit updated, where not to surf and to stop clicking yes to every pop-up, then your computer will stay safe.  Routers help too.

I have not -1'ed you simply because you're misinformed, not retarded.