BF2S Forums Why do you guys pick on claymores?

The thing with claymores, when placed correctly they can be a sniper's best friend. I'd have to say 75% of my claymore kills come from me laying a claymore on a ladder to cover my ass while I'm sniping on a roof. I'm too busy chasing down bunny hopping pkm freaks of nature to notice that there's some dude with a hardon sneaking up on me. Think of the claymore as my ultimate cock-block.


Now, even though I use them, clays still annoy me. As said before damn snipers that lay a clay instead of whipping out a pistol. Hell I've knifed a guy only to be killed by the claymore he laid instead of whipping out his own knife. It's the pussy's way out.

Turning on FF for clay's could balance things out, less spamming and all that. What annoyed me before tho, is that I'd put a clay to cover my ass then have to switch sniping points. But then when I wanted to come back to my old spot, my clay was still there, blocking my way.

I think the best solution would be to make clays destroyable, by grenades and such.

It pisses me off cause theres no penalty to using them!  They no long can take out teammates so you dont have to worry about where you put them and theres no way to get rid of them!! As a result some guys run around using the frickin things as a main weapon just chucking them all over the place!  I was playing karkand today and a guy just comes running into our base and throws down 2 claymores and gets killed.  Now we've got two friggin bombs right there in middl of our base with no way get rid of them. You can only avoid them to a certain extent as somtimes you end up spawning right on top of them!

TheCanadianTerrorist wrote:

Whenever I see a Claymore, I go AROUND it. I guess not many people here do.

I try but it doesn't work

claymores should be reset by default to the original setting - friendly fire. They were not ment to be spammed like they are now. But idiots couldnt figure out what the red skull at the top of the ladder means. So take your pick, random deaths for all, or deaths for idiots... because EA can't back away from the punish system.

Hey check out these 2 karma posts I got:

stop being so stupid, Just think, If there one way thorugh and some dick head like you plants a claymore there WTF do you do? jump over it- get some skill before you talk about stuff - faggot

-1 for being sniper fag

seems its quite dangerous to post anything these days...

PRiMACORD wrote:

Generally people like being killed by methods that require skill...at least thats the case with me. Placing a claymore requires next to no skill and is a guaranteed kill in a lot of situations.

Also, claymores are given to snipers so they can have some defense while they are sniping. I think it'd be neat if claymores only worked around the immediate area around the sniper. If he goes past a certain radius they dissapear. You'll be able to deploy 2 more after they dissapear to setup shop at a new location but you'll have to wait like 1 or 2 minutes before you can re-deploy. You can only re-deploy them after they've dissapeared so you won't get them back when they kill someone.

PRiMACORD sait it, when you get killed by a better player you take your hat and say to yourself that this guy was better, but getting killed by a Claymore is the opposite. Claymores do not require any skill, you don't got any possibilities to destroy them if they're well placed.

+1 for you PRiMACORD and -1's for some guys in this thread who got no clue about this game.

-r3-anubis wrote:

Alexanderthegrape wrote:

all fair in bf and war

It might be war, but its a game and games need to be fair.

ALL claymore whores need to die. Grow some balls and fight. Plus, claymore whoring is basically stat padding! You see it and it kills you, you can't really avoid it and can be used multiple times to free points and kills.

How the hell is is stat padding? I guess artillery is stat padding too, or nades, or fully automatic weapons?
'Grow balls and fight'? What? CQC with a sniper rifle or small-arm? You want a sniper to fight on your terms or he's a pussy? I might just as well say grow some balls and stop using a spray-and-prey weapon.

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

before it was grenade launchers, now its claymores. You people play snipers only to toss claymores around because its a crutch for your piss-poor skills with a rifle.

You spec-ops use C4 as a crutch for your piss-poor skills with firearms.
You assault guys use automatic weapons as a crutch for you piss-poor skills at aiming.
You engineer guys use AT mines as a crutch for your piss-poor skills in all combat.
You medic guys use mad kits as a crutch for you and your teams piss-poor skills at avoiding getting shot at.
You support guys use supply bags as a crutch for your piss-poor skills at saving ammo.

What a crock of crap, sorry but that's just a dumb thing to say.

darkcrystal wrote:

if it wasnt for that stupid award, i would never use claymores, and i would never snipe.  i can get way more points as medic or engy than i can with sniper

Cos that's what the game is all about.

fierce wrote:

PRiMACORD sait it, when you get killed by a better player you take your hat and say to yourself that this guy was better, but getting killed by a Claymore is the opposite. Claymores do not require any skill, you don't got any possibilities to destroy them if they're well placed.

Claymores are a fact of this game and have been since the start, if you haven't gotten used to that it's a shame. Yes, some can not be avoided, these are the well places ones, the ones that require some skill in determining the flow of the fight. A sniper has only 2 of these things and he wants to cause the most disruption to the enemy with them.
It could be best used to keep him alive and concentrating on his scope, or it could be used as a defence on the wider battlefield.
Not all snipers are campers. I tend to get bored camping and so place clays in choke points, in corridors, doorways and of course flags. Sometimes I place them out in the open, I do this to direct the enemy down another route, this other route is usually where I am covering with my rifle or a concealed clay.
At a flag, again I will sometimes place them out of sight to get kills & flag defends but I'll often make them obvious so that any attackers see them and try to cap the flag from a bad (less concealed) position. I can then pick them off with the rifle or nades and my clays stay to do their job for longer.

I don't play sniper that much but I do appreciate the strategies of each kit. The sniper is not a close combat kit and is seriously underpowered when found in this position. He needs to use evasion and movement to control his position in relation to the fight and reduce the number of times he is found in CQC. A sniper up close with an assault rifle guy is going to use whatever is best for him and his team. Rifle, pistol and knife are unlikely to prevent this threat from reaching it's objective but by throwing down a clay he may slow the attack enough to be able to re-spawn and do something about it.

If you don't like it then approach snipers with care and don't look at them as just the soft targets they typically are in close quarters against AKs and shit.

neg me if you like but come back here and tell everyone why, I appreciate a reasoned discussion.
Any random negs I get will be posted here as an example of someone without a reasoned answer to my arguments.

I think its just that people find there isnt really anyway to get rid of them... Apart from me Ok ok ill share..

If you see the clay but havn't died yet, request a vehicle drop in front of the clay.. The car sets the clay of as the car is classed as a enemy target.. and Va-boom No more clay

A mere Shadow|= wrote:

My only problem with clays is the inablity to explode them, i also think the same should apply to AT-mines and C4 if i throw a grenade at a lump of C4 or another explosive device i would expect it, along with the nade to explode, however DICE have decided that explosives are immune to all forms of ballistic punishment....

Yeah, I would agree here.

The hidden clay is a great asset, I don't think it should have FF on as this is a game where a bunch of random people get together to play and have fun, not a disciplined fighting force. A well trained clan would either know of be able to communicate the location of trapped areas and avoid TKs but in public games this won't happen even if you point the buggers out with big red signs (as proved).

Open clays are a product of their indestructible nature. I would rather see all explosives detonatable, and c4 dissarmable. but hey.
I had just developed and practiced an engineer trick of hiding a couple of AT mines on the side of a road and then nading them as armour went past, real stealth shit, worked a treat, then a patch came and ruined my fun.

the destructible idea is great.. and should be brought back..

i also want to clear up something that's got a lot of people angry with me..


i do NOT claywhore...
i never have..
the only times i use them are at tops of ladders so i dont get some little kid coming up, shock paddling me and spamming "0mfgee 1 pwn3d j000 haheaeeasfda snip3r noob" cos they killed the person that was repeatedly headshotting them..

i was saying "i'm away to claywhore" as sarcasm... but then later decided to see how many people i could annoy by doing it..

to me.. i get more satisfaction out of using the rifles.. so i'm not going to claywhore..


so get the fuck off my case and get a life..

duffry wrote:

I appreciate a reasoned discussion.

JohnnyBlanco wrote:

Ditt-fucking-o

Now that's what I'm talking about!

thats only 30 seconds or so.. if they spawn with another kit that is..

if a sniper lays clays (woot rhyme ^_^) and gets killed.. but respawns as a sniper again.. the clays will stay there til he sets another one.. or until it gets triggered..