BF2S Forums Crappy AA - go TOW!

I think it is a bit ridiculous that you have to shoot 4 shots with Stinger to get a CAR down ... EA should think over this and change it because it is very unrealistic!

Well I didn't say anything about cars. I refferd to the guns of the mobile AA, maybe it didn't come out that clear.

Last edited by pogled (2005-11-13 04:04:19)

I have not tried a TOW piece against an aircraft, but they do a damn good job on land units compared to the hand-held pieces. EA has the damage points low on hand helds, but then again, I havent been in the field to know the difference.

TOWs are very good against stationary low helicopters. Often use them when I get a chance. This is why you need gunners in your heli to take out TOWs and AAs when you are near them.

Last edited by kilroy0097 (2005-11-13 19:55:28)

AT rocket vs airplane insta boom
Down the throat as someone described.
Aim slightly above because the good ones try to pull up!

TOW works great too. AA blows. Strange how in the single player AA missiles (ground or air launched) behave properly and yet the same shots in multiplayer miss 80-90% of the time.

Grrr

The TOWs are really effective ways to waiste choppers, especially since EA rightly beefed them up in 1.03, problem is that it can be pretty hard to hit a chopper with a TOW if the pilot has ANY skill, and they only have so much available elevated aiming. That beig said, I got ground defense ribbon and badge by decimating choppers on Zatar Wetlands that were trying to hover right above flags with a TOW fixed near it.

It really is a cracker jack way to kill them, but that doesn't help  much as I'd say 95% of the time choppers are NOT hovering over flags

T1mbrW0lf wrote:

VirtuaLResistancE wrote:

I have not tried a TOW piece against an aircraft, but they do a damn good job on land units compared to the hand-held pieces.

TOW's also make for one hell of a surprised jet jockey when you nail him with a "down the throat" shot while he's throttled back to line you up for a strafing run . . .

I have yet to see a jet get shot down by a ground defense turret. If you can't strafe a tow and kill the operator before he gets a shot off that will kill you... you suck, stop flying.

I also don't recall seeing any updates to the damage output of a ground d turret. As far as I can tell they have always been brutal as far as dmg is concerned. I've gotten alot of kills on chopper pilots looking for someone manning the stinger on the surveillance CP on Sharqi and neglect to spam the TOW. One hit, run for cover, wait for a kill.

I personally perfer to use mobile AA seeing as how it can move and blackhawks cant scratch it but the stationary stinger/igl launchers work decent to good depending on the pilor you are firing at I can take out most enemy choppers so long as thery dont engage me. The mobile AA is a great anti-jet weapon because if you pelt that jet as it is coming in at you a few shells goes a long way agianst jets also most pilots preform various rolls to lose AA well you cant let the fact that he is out of lock range stop you. I had a jet dive bomb me from straight on i managed to put 5 or 6 shells from the linebackers cannon into him before he droppped the bombs he did damage but didnt kill me so i spun the turret around got a lock and low and behold he drops flares and goes into a sumersalt. I follow him through it and when the levels out i fire 1 missles before i lose the lock i fired the remaining 3 out of spite the first one was to my spurprise tracking the enemy jet the second vered off to hunt down a friendly and the last one went after the enemy about 2 seconds later i was credited with a kill. I have repeated this approach many times and have had some sucsess. another great anti helo/ jet weapon is the anti tank rocket. I was the commander on mashtur city for the mec so i climb up and mount the AA figureing if a blackhawk came calling id kill it. Well the first one came in low and my first missle hit the wall but the second clipped the birds tail. so i hop out and jump of the rear of the building i launch one rocket; it hits and kills the miniguner. I run around the building and reload i fire a tad high and hit the helo as the pilot pulls up to dodge the rocket. i proceeded to clean up the rest with the dao. The rocket is alos good agianst jets (if you can aim it that is) on wake (i was china) before we had enough ppl to play we where screwing around with helos and jets. i am a bad jet pilot but a decent helo one so eventually a jet kills me and when i respawn some clown is hovering at our base (using the f-35 not a chopper) i was support with a pkm (decent anti-air gun seeing as it annoys choppers, once killed a fresh attack helo with it) so i open up on this jet and 100 rounds later it goes down on top of me... so i respawn anti tank. the second f-35 is coming in to bomb our airplanes so i set up lead the target and fire away.. i guided to where i thought the plane was (couldnt really tell) then the red circle vanished i assumed i missed (wasnt really execting a hit) but about 10 seconds later i see that SGT.Mays[eryx]____________ i was stunned so was the pilot he said good shot and i said nice flying and we parted ways. I guess what i am geting at here is anything that fires a bullet is a decent AA weapon, i even saw a sniper kill a jet pilot on a bombing run. The morale here is: dont limit yourself to intended weapons improvise much like the tow vs. chopper try AA missles vs tanks (dont do it wont work) or cars (will work if its the only heat source around).

I used AA before on Wake Island. the IGLA between the beach and  the airfield. i was locked on to a enemy jet and i fired one missile because  i didnt want  TK on my hands. the jet goes left, the missle breaks to the right, and  few seconds later, i get a kill. Not the original target but someother unlucky enemy jet/chopper. i lmao when i saw kill up in the left hand corner. good fun!

i would try the TOW on dalian plant, but id aim dead on with a chopper but it would fly right under, while the chopper barely move only to have the gunner kill me a few seconds later.

Last edited by 4lter_3go (2005-11-15 12:29:12)

I got my Ground defence badge and ribbon on the same map within about five minutes of each other. The only reason for this was the fact that I shot down a full Blackhawk with it at the very start of the round. Since they are quite hevily armoured, it took a few shots, and also my mate was shooting at it with AT rockets. I got the kills though.

The thing with AA is, they require skill. It's not all computerised. You need to know when to fire. I've taken out quite a few jets with them, it's not impossible. If EA made it too easy, pilots would be spitting that you couldn't spend five minutes in the air before some rocket from the other side of the map shot you down.

Just use whatever you can though. My squad was defending a point from a chopper. We just pumped all the lead we could into it. That brought it down.

Tyferra wrote:

The thing with AA is, they require skill. It's not all computerised. You need to know when to fire. I've taken out quite a few jets with them, it's not impossible. If EA made it too easy, pilots would be spitting that you couldn't spend five minutes in the air before some rocket from the other side of the map shot you down.

The AA is still unpredictable, which makes it less than worthless because of the TK factor, but if EA is content with it then consider this:  get rid of flares completely on jets.  A chance at a jet with a ground-based AA is rare enough to be constantly spoiled by flares.  It'll also have the added bonus of making jets concentrate more on dogfighting with other jets because they don't have that out.  It'll also make it tactical better to hold airfields because your chance of being shot down will be much less if no enemy jets are in the air.