chuckle_hound
Member
+32|7292|Edinburgh, Scotland
It seems like everytime I go this forum there's one of two posts.  One of them is complaining about a certain game mechanic or player, for example snipers, bunnyhopping, cartillery and thousands of others.  The other is telling people to stop moaning and just play.

In both sides there is one common theme though - "in real life you don't jump around/ survive 30 bullets/ not kill a tank with one sraw" and so on.  Which beggars the question: Do you guys consider this to be a game (and by distinction a sport) or a simulation?

If we follow the first side of things, and call this a game then we're supporting the opinion that calls gaming a form of sport.  After all, we have cyber athletes and BF is a competitive game with rankings.  Why shouldn't it have a similar standing to sports?  In this case we need only look at sport for a solution to our problems.  When you go out and have a kick around with friends at the park the rules are a little more lax, but there's always an inherent sense of friendship and fairness.  If a few of your friends are faster or stronger then you balance the teams - yet in Battlefield the only balance is in numbers.  Which results in some ridiculous matches involving entire sides made of Lieutenants and Sergeants against Privates, with a token couple of Sergeants.  If you were playing in the park, and the team you were up against was composed of Premier League footballers would you call that fair?

Not only that, but there's less of a fuss about the rules when you play with friends.  But this still has a limit - for example, you may ignore stuff like offsides, or if you're playing pool and a friend slips and knocks a ball you let him retake a shot - after all, you're friends (and usually in my case, you slipped because of the seven or so pints you've just had).  There are limits though, and it's these limits that need to be better policed.  There's no obvious solution here sadly, as it's one thing to referee a football match, but when it's a Battlefield 2 level that's equivalent to 5 or 6 football pitches with obstacles everywhere it is harder.  Even so, it's up to the players themsevles to realise that you play fair and everyone is happy.  We all enjoy ourselves and we keep new players in the game - which is something we all fail to realise.  Namely that we're losing the top ranked players all the time, everyone gets bored sometime and there needs to be someone to replace them.

Anyway, if this is a simulation it makes it all much easier:

1) Single shot takes you out of the game.

2) Mouse aiming is made drastically different to reflect the fact that we're all weedy guys in real life and a gun is heavy

3) Driving a tank requires 3 people, driving a heli or jet requires several years of training - in REAL TIME.

In retrospect, if we're talking a clan match or something that's the equivalent of a World Cup match in BF2 terms, then yes it's pretty much alright to do whatever it takes to win.  But in small games, it's about everyone having fun, not winning at all costs.  And whatever anyone says, this game is not and never will be real war.  If you guys want real war, sign up to the army and go make a difference somewhere else.

Ideas chaps (mainly on the first part, not the second).
usmarine
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chuckle_hound wrote:

Anyway, if this is a simulation it makes it all much easier:

1) Single shot takes you out of the game.
Not very "real" at all.
Cybargs
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game. there is no blood and the bullets is made of high pressured air particles, thats why u see dust. BF2 was never supposed to be realistic, if it did i want to see guns jamming! Play Americas Army if u want realism
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usmarine
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Play Americas Army if u want realism
If the rounds didn't end so quickly, I would.
Aardcore
Member
+60|7338|USA, Arizona
Depends sometimes... I've played games where they felt so intense and actionpacked they seemed like war, (Given no NCO officer screaming at me to get up over that hill or whatever) and other times it just feels like a game, one where I feel like I can kick back and enjoy a good frag every now and then, but to me, mostly war.
lord_tyler_486
Member
+54|7377|Upper Franconia
Its a game. And probably one of the dumbest ever. But we all seem to have to play it for some odd reason.
usmarine
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I believe you can make BF2 more realistic for yourself.  For example, I do not not hop and dive around like a tool, I actually try to "snipe," not run around the board with a sniper rifle.  I lay down suppressing fire, I try to flank the enemy, etc.
Cybargs
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usmarine2005 wrote:

I believe you can make BF2 more realistic for yourself.  For example, I do not not hop and dive around like a tool, I actually try to "snipe," not run around the board with a sniper rifle.  I lay down suppressing fire, I try to flank the enemy, etc.
PRMM 0.25 is pretty realistic. it would be awsome if every1 in BF2 would work together
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chittydog
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+586|7460|Kubra, Damn it!

I'd imagine that even suggesting that this is war would be deeply offensive to people who have actually been in a war. Maybe I'm wrong...
Aardcore
Member
+60|7338|USA, Arizona

usmarine2005 wrote:

I believe you can make BF2 more realistic for yourself.  For example, I do not not hop and dive around like a tool, I actually try to "snipe," not run around the board with a sniper rifle.  I lay down suppressing fire, I try to flank the enemy, etc.
You an I are alot alike brother. If we die, we die running, not jumping. If we're sniping, you stay concealed and do those hit and runs, like a NINJA and take a few kill damage assists if it means to take down enemy ticket points quicker, a kill's a kill, you still get points eitherway.
Cybargs
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Aardcore wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

I believe you can make BF2 more realistic for yourself.  For example, I do not not hop and dive around like a tool, I actually try to "snipe," not run around the board with a sniper rifle.  I lay down suppressing fire, I try to flank the enemy, etc.
You an I are alot alike brother. If we die, we die running, not jumping. If we're sniping, you stay concealed and do those hit and runs, like a NINJA and take a few kill damage assists if it means to take down enemy ticket points quicker, a kill's a kill, you still get points eitherway.
since u have enough skillz to be a ninja... wanna sign up for the ninja bf2s society
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Wasder
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+139|7300|Moscow, Russia
It's a game dammit! You can't fight and drive in a tank alone, you can't be healed by stepping on a medkit, you can't parachute from a 2 story building, you can't miss with M95 from 200 meters unless you're drunk, you can't survive a .50 cal round in your chest at any distance, you can't be instantly revived by shockpaddles on the battlefield in real life.... this list is endless.
So to everyone saying: "wtf, it's unrealistic!" I'd like to ask to go play Operation Flashpoint for realism. It's a good game too.

Last edited by Wasder (2006-07-05 11:41:13)

Psycho
Member since 2005
+44|7401|Kansas, USA

usmarine2005 wrote:

I believe you can make BF2 more realistic for yourself.  For example, I do not not hop and dive around like a tool, I actually try to "snipe," not run around the board with a sniper rifle.  I lay down suppressing fire, I try to flank the enemy, etc.
Absolutely!

It is a combat simulation game. It is not 100% simulation though - then it wouldn't be fun. People complain about some of the mechanics because they take away from the tactics that the game is supposed to encourage - making it less fun. Having some tool hop around shooting a grenade launcher at people 5 feet away from him (and not dying himself) is a joke. People complained about it "not being real", which is true, but the fact was that it took away from the fun of the game. People who master certain keystrokes (dolphin diving) complain thoe complaining about them are noobs. But, its those who use good tactics, like the poster above, who play the game as it's meant to be played.

Just like the recent feature of vehicle drops. It wasn't meant to use those offensively. Unfortunately the people at EA are unable to drag themselves down tot he level of some of those who play the game. I for one am looking forward to the fix (although aprehensively). I hope it fixes the problem without introducing new ones.
Wasder
Resident Emo Hater
+139|7300|Moscow, Russia

Psycho wrote:

Just like the recent feature of vehicle drops. It wasn't meant to use those offensively. Unfortunately the people at EA are unable to drag themselves down tot he level of some of those who play the game. I for one am looking forward to the fix (although aprehensively). I hope it fixes the problem without introducing new ones.
Nope Psycho, they can't drag themseves down, they're already as smart as 5 yo kids.
Cybargs
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who ever gave me -1 karma for my sig... i love you lol i wonder why there are ppl who hate my sig... ppl say it rocks
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