CreepingDeath
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Hey dumb@$$e$

A attack chopper is a team thing if you didn't know? Which by the way, the many people, I have ridden with lately don't seem to know how to even fly one.
But the main "  complant " is this :

In order to shot the TV missle, I NEED TO BE more the 3 FEET off the ground. there really isn't any point in flying 3ft low to the ground. People will say for sure, its because of the AA.  I say BS. Its because your trying to impress people with your flying skills or lack of. What about TANK rounds AND APCs missles then? The main reason for the TV missles.

I have many and I mean many fraps clips of me blowing crap up with a TV missle. and not just when the chopper is 5 ft away. I mean when someone, if someone spots a chopper RARELY but when they do, I open my map look to see where it is and shot. I have one shot of me shotting a TV around a nuclear plant through a crane and killing a air born chopper killing 3 . Kind of like a S curve. I have another one where a friendly chopper sorry to say :-) but someone pointed out a enemy chopper on the map, in the same spot just before I shot it. With nothing but fog half away across the map, with two TV missles, I hit it. one to spot it, one to kill it.

So to any of the other co pilots of the attack choppers that find themselfs in a chopper with a dumb@$$ want to be pilot ? Shot your TV missles once into the ground as your flying, it'll do alittle damage to the chopper, but the want to be pilot will pull up a little higher for sure. If he doesnt do it again until he does.

Last edited by CreepingDeath (2005-11-18 07:12:29)

CreepingDeath
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Oh wait another COMPLAINT about " DUMB@$$ want to be chopper pilots "

Hey Jerk if you want to cap flags with a chopper TAKE A TRANSPORT ..

  So many times lately this dumb@$$ takes the chopper, goes straight for a flag, AS IM POINTING OUT THE ENEMYS CHOPPER to him over and over again . Ignoring the enemy chopper, letting the ENEMY CHOPPER get behind us .And before he caps the flag we get killed. Total waste of time there and a death.

SO again HEY ! ! DUMB@$$ if you want to cap flags with a chopper TAKE A TRANSPORT ..  Leave the attack choppers to the real pilots that arent playing for themselfs.
CANADIAN_rocker
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Gah i have fraps to make movies too. BUT IT DOESENT WORK ..on BF2 for somereason do u kno maby why??
Boomer1120
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CreepingDeath wrote:

SO again HEY ! ! DUMB@$$ if you want to cap flags with a chopper TAKE A TRANSPORT ..
co-sign

Died twice last night while being a gunner.  Dude tried to cap the TV tower flag and got shot down.  I gave him a second chance, he did it again.  Then I was done with it and proceeded to get 18 knife kills and a few pistol kills (those are badges i'm working on currently).

Last edited by Boomer1120 (2005-11-18 07:30:03)

the_ubernoob_
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I'm a chopper pilot and I've seen some of the "DUMB@$$" players who try to cap flags all the time with the attack heli.  I was running to the chopper only to have one of them get to it first.  I didn't mind (didn't know how bad a pilot he was until later) I thought t would be a good chance to use the gunner seat again.  Off we flew in a sort of erratic flight path....over the empty mountains near the cobra spawn on the Kubra dam map.  I was just barely able to get 2 tv kill before he decided that the the tank and the 2 apcs fighting our infantry weren't worth fighting ( i would have guessed he was scared of the aa vehicle if it wasn't that it was the first thing I targeted with a tv missle (oddly for some reason there was a passenger in the vehicle so i got 2 kill )

After abandoning our men he flew to the spawn point just below the construction site and tried to take it.  I was thinking that if he insisted on capping the flag I might as well bail out to help speed up the process.  After geting on the ground he was promptly scared away by the few engineers that were waiting for the apc to respawn (running from an apc that hadn't even spawned yet)...to abandon your team to cap a flag and run away before even neutralizing it is the absoulute (aside from tking) worst thing you can do in any FULL HEALTH, FULL AMMO chopper.

Last edited by the_ubernoob_ (2005-11-18 07:47:29)

shortah
Oh did you want that tank?
+0|7041|Mechanicsville, VA

CreepingDeath wrote:

In order to shot the TV missle, I NEED TO BE more the 3 FEET off the ground. there really isn't any point in flying 3ft low to the ground. People will say for sure, its because of the AA.  I say BS. Its because your trying to impress people with your flying skills or lack of. What about TANK rounds AND APCs missles then? The main reason for the TV missles.
Listen dood, this is how I fly all the time and it is to avoid AA.. and it works to if you don't suck at flying... the trees and objects help to keep people from getting a full lock. and by the way.. if you were my gunner i would care if you were wasting your missles... thats just less chances you have to get kills.. and I don't fly 3 feet off the ground to show off I fly 3 feet off the ground because I know how to and its a tactic that works... you will notice that 5 seconds before I get to the flag I will pull up and give you a clean shot of the entire flag... but most of the time my gunner is too incompetent to shoot so I end up having to come in hotand just blow everything to hell.  I just wish I could actually have a gunner who has an idea of wtf he's doing..

P.S. GUNNERS ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO STAY IN TV THE ENTIRE F"N TIME!!!
I just love as i spiral in circles around flags he doesn't shoot at all as 8-10 soldiers are running around on the ground.

to be continued.. i have to go re-image a computer
CreepingDeath
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shortah .

I didnt say all, just most of them. What about a T-90 or APC as I had said? I love guys that fly low when i am in a tank or APC ..
shortah
Oh did you want that tank?
+0|7041|Mechanicsville, VA
Most of the time I'm moving fast enough were the tank doens't have time to react... so i pull up... do a nose spin and let my gunner rape him with a tv... than do another nose spin and go back to tank apc hunting... you'll just have to fly with me to understand... I'd say my favorite map to fly low on is fushe pass or dragon valley, they extreme amounts of cover and trees... and kids hate it cause i won't pull up till the last second if i'm locked on by aa...
the_ubernoob_
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As a pilot, I can say sticking low to the ground works only if you have something like a hill or a cliff to your side so you drop below the aa line of sight.  I prefer to fly higher so my gunner can acctually help by shooting things and sighting them so I can give him a better shot.  And if the aa gets intense enough then no evassive manuever works better than a successfully pulled off chopper 360 roll (thats right UPSIDE DOWN)  when done right a few things are certain to happen. 

# 1.  YOU WILL LOSE ALTITUDE VERY FAST(make sure to be smart and stop before hitting the ground.
#2.  You will lose any pursuer (in my experience no one has ever followed me into this manuever and lived to tell the tale)
#3. You will being seeing your lunch again.

Call me crazy but the chopper 360 roll has consitently brought me out of danger in the thickest of aa defenses.

Last edited by the_ubernoob_ (2005-11-18 08:01:03)

shortah
Oh did you want that tank?
+0|7041|Mechanicsville, VA
And your chopper K ratio shows how much you actually know what your talking about... try spending more than a few hours in the chopper and than try and tell me that flying high is smart... oh wait its not... your just letting your gunner do all the work.. I hate pilots who do that.. they just hover in the center of the map and let the pilot get kills from like a mile away.. instead of giving your team support.. and covering them.. oh wait.. thats just what I do... which I have NEVER seen another pilot do... I wish I saw more of it.. .not going after the flag ... but protecting your ground assets from enemies....
CreepingDeath
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I wont fly a attack chopper most of the time. " I CANT FLY it very well  at all"  .
I will atempt to, if no one is around and wanting to use it .

I can and will say and have been told many of times " im the best gunner many have seen. " WITH a GOOD PILOT and not a DUMB@$$ pilot".

Anytime any of you pilots want a gunner that knows what to do and how to do it , I have been playing on the cfhgaming.net clan server. Its a 40 ranked server. Playing at night starting around 8pm est time.
mycatsdied
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As a gunner I will not fly with somone who tries to capture a flag with the attack chopper.  Before the patch it was reasonable because you could get that flag neutral in about 8 sec and total capture in about 15. Now it takes 15 sec  for nuetral which is a complete waste of the chppers resources. In the 30 secs total that it takes to capture a flag a good pilot/gunner crew could have knocked out half of the other teams armor and  a helicoptor. I consider myself a good TV gunner and a chopper hovering over a flag is about the easiest kill you can get(especially if its a big fat MI-28). Not only that you expose your self to every type of ground fire in the game.

IF your consider yourself a good pilot you should hardly ever be hovering on flag. What do you think the ground pounders are for. Clear a path and let the ground pounder get the 2 freaking points.

deadcats

Last edited by mycatsdied (2005-11-18 08:12:57)

CreepingDeath
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a big AAAAAMMMMMEEEEEEENNNNNNN

              mycatsdied
the_ubernoob_
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There is more than one way to do things... YOur way can work...and so can mine... sure ill admit that you have been playing this game longer than i have and may very well be a better pilot thna i am... however i don't fly miles high and away form everything.  I fly higher as part of evassive manuvers ( i don't often do the 360 because although it can work at times more often than not its just not a good idea.

Usually to avoid detection I terrain mask which simply recquires that something ( a hill, a cliff, some building) is between me and the enemy until i can engage that enemy.

When i see a good oppurtunity to use my rockets i do.  However instead of trying to grab all of the glory and kills for myself i realize that the gunner is in a better position to engage the enemy than the pilot.  My guner and I use voip and we coordinate our attacks. 

lets compare
I fly in all trigger happy and my gunner can't hit a thing.  At best maybe i get a vehicle kill or blow up a few infantry.
vs.
I fly in and coordinate manuvers with my gunner.  "ENEMY AA VEHICLE SPOTTED" I evade rotate and line up shot and gunner takes him out in one TV instead of me wasting several rockets on it.  "ENEMY INFANTRY NEXT TO THE CAGO CRATE" I change my position again and my gunner mows them down.  Seconds later the grunts in the tanks come rolling in and finish off the flag while my gunner and I return to the helipad for repairs and resupply before repeating.

And i know my kill ration isn't that good.  I never once said I was an ACE pilot.  I feel that the TEAM benefits more from me positioning the gunner to infilct pain on the enemy
CreepingDeath
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a nice little post about chopper pilots what they should do . . .
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=4822

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