imdead
Death StatPadder
+228|7038|Human Meat Shield
yeah, there was a thread about 'How a Commander should/shouldn't fight' but I do think a commander SHOULD heed requests.  You definately can tell when a commander is running around though, not only can you tell when the game is over because 8 out of 10 times you are on the losing side, but the UAV response is ultimately s-l-o-w or the UAV is mostly where HE is going. I've requested supplies to blow arty (because I used all my C4 for the 'eyes'; needed some for the 'firecrackers') after hiding close by the enemies arty I got bored of Multiple requests where people were  constantly doing the 'LOL'  thing, the Mutiny is a joke (does anyone EVER get kicked with this!) Worst thing is that it was a clan and only hooked his teammates up. So after capping and getting killed by a tank (still didn't have C4) I respawned to where he was, and started the text bitching. Well this is where I am two-faced with the TKing thing (so if you've read other posts sorry), I was kinda peeved so I shot him a couple to show I was ticked, then went on my merry way. After many artys on me (obviously didn't care about anyone else) because if he used the UAV/SCAN he would've noticed no one was there (furthest cap point) --How did I know because I was too busy typing to squad in the middle of the road and was drinking some beer. Well to end this paragraph when someone ticks me off I am going to spawn next to him/her and hold my C4/gun and wait until the tickets reach 3 or 4 and blow the bastard up, no punish for me! then leave server.  <---should've done this anyway. Moral of the story -- COMMANDERS SHOULD BE HIDING AND ACTUALLY COMMANDING.


thanks for being my bitchin' counselor.
EMStorm
Member
+2|7091|Rotterdam, Netherlands
I agree with you. I also offen ask for supplies when i trie to blow up choppers in maps where you have anti-airforce tanks but some commanders never answer to your requests.

Be commander in you KNOW how to command and if your dont DONT!!!!
kilroy0097
Kilroy Is Here!
+81|7113|Bryan/College Station, TX

BlaZiN.uk wrote:

I really hate it when the commander keeps saying stuff like " Enemy spotted " over and over again. It just grinds my gears
Well lookie here. Got a celebrity posting on the forum. How does he find the time?

And if there was a way to say "Enemy Spotted" to just the squad or infantry that the message was meant for believe me I would take the time to select them individualy to do so. But the game does have it's limits and unfortunately I end up spamming the entire team with messages meant for a single squad.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
=ST6=SewerMaster
AK Whore
+152|7066|Barrington, RI

kilroy0097 wrote:

BlaZiN.uk wrote:

I really hate it when the commander keeps saying stuff like " Enemy spotted " over and over again. It just grinds my gears
Well lookie here. Got a celebrity posting on the forum. How does he find the time?
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It's not him.  It's Canadian_rocker pretending to be Blazin.
deject
Got His War On
+37|7043|Golden, CO
yeah, it gets annoying so I just spot the few guys that pose a threat to guys around.
divided
Clear!
+3|7042
Nobody pays attention when I spot people anyway.
oberst_enzian
Member
+234|7012|melb.au
it really pisses me off when guys go commander and then fly a jet, or take a tank and go sit somewhere in it. If they're in a jet, they aren't commanding, just trying to rack up commander time at the expense of everyone else on their team. If they take the tank, then they are just trying to rank up armour time - even though they DO command, this means that no-one on their team can use that tank, and it doesn't respawn. All for the sake of stupid basic badges - GET THEM THE SAME BLOODY WAY, JUST DON"T GO COMMANDER TO DO IT FFS!!!!
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*sigh*
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...and I for one have NEVER seen 'mutiny' oust someone. Ever. There's never enough votes, because most people don't care, or don't notice the vote because they're a bit too busy fighting. Its fair enough when commanders are shit becuase they're learning -everyone has to do it sometime, but DON'T WASTE YOUR TEAM'S RESOURCES BECAUSE YOU'RE A GODDAMN BADGE SCAB!!!
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sorry, needed to rant.

Last edited by oberst_enzian (2005-11-20 14:32:36)

Jeckelcopy
Ach du Sheisse!!!!
+2|7030
Well, of course, it depends on what map/size, and yes, givin' yourself UAV when NO ONE is there...
My strategy is actually to let the squads give me intel...I can see where they are and what, yet I can't tell if their packin' heat or just bunny hopping with their 'nade launcher/pistol/knife...
The only way for them to work is together, the commander for support, and the squads to execute the mission...
I hate it when my team plays for themselves, and ask for UAV/artillery/supplies, when there is a much more vital spot, or when they ask for it, I place it, then they ask for it again, several seconds later...
RasorX
Member
+17|7013|Indianapolis
I could probably write a 10 page post about commanders playing and not commanding, but i wont.  You CANNOT be an effective commander and play at the same time for one reason; Battle Flow.  It is IMPOSSIBLE to watch the "battle unfold" before your eyes if you are not paying complete attention to the commander screen.  If you are playing and not watching battle flow, but just going to commander screen for a second or two between flag caps/whatever, you may not know that this is the third squad going to cap the same flag meeting with death and they dont need supplies which you just so needlessly dropped, but artillery. Or insert whatever scenario you wish.  The main point is, if you accept the role as the commander, COMMAND!

I really really really love to burst people's bubbles but the ONLY way to accrue points when you are the commander of your team is by the average score formula WHILE you are commander. Therefore, first, becoming commander halfway through battle wont give you points if you havent done anything. Second, and more on topic, being in a jet/helo/armor/doing ANYTHING besides commanding while you are commander will get you 0 points.  So the only reason you would be commander and then hop in a jet or whathaveyou is if you were a complete stat padding whore and wanted to get commander hours/jet/helo/armor hours simultaneously, in which case.....well, you should be thrown to the wolves and let people with a general interest in actually commanding do some work.
=ST6=SewerMaster
AK Whore
+152|7066|Barrington, RI
It bugs me when the commander gives you orders that make no sense.  like on Wake Island, My squad was on the Chinese side, and I was squad leader.  the commander orders the squad to the base after the beach, and when we get there he Immediately orders us to the north village base on the opposite side of the island.  and then when you are a one man squad playing as a sniper, the commander orders you to go reapir his Artillery, or his other commander stations.
deject
Got His War On
+37|7043|Golden, CO
As commander, I only go out and do things other than command if:

A) Someone is destroying my assets and I'm the closest one.
B) There's less than 16 players on both sides and my team needs every gun in the battle.
Colonel Curly
Member
+0|7004
Alot of stuff here rings truth in the game. Particularly with idiot comms e.g. they run you over whilst you're trying to revive sumone and start callnig you everything under the sun becasue you chose not to forgive

Though I must admit I did do some of the selfish deeds mention above. Today on 'Strike at Karkand' I went comm when a few people where asking for a comm. I tried to be as fair as possible by placing UAV over the lowest control point at the start and then inbetween the bottom and middle points to try an give the rest of my team the best intel possible. Here's where the bad comm side comes in, I sorta hogged the only tank we had. Baring in mind nobody else was spawing at the top of the map to use a perfectly good tank, I did stay in it and comm the battle as best I could (we won the 2 rounds on the map ). Even though I could've drove straight to the front lines and helped my team mates in the tank I directed things from the rear and protected the upper control point numerous occasions from pesky lone spec. ops.
The point of this is that if a comm is flying around, or going head first into battle doesn't always mean she/he's tryin to rack up his own points. Ok fair enough if he/she's flying a jet then you should kick them or get them to get out of the jet. And if they're just not responding and being a complete pain in the arse (like the atrillery strikes on friendlys as above, now that was uncalled for ) you should kick him. Whilst kicking DO mention to others as to why you are kicking and you'll likely get a succesful vote. I HAVE seen this work a few times, true its a small % in comparisson with all the votes I've seen.
Oh, and with the supply drops I give them out whenever I get a request for them, which is HARDLY EVER. I do give priority on people trying to take out the enemy's artillery or other key things.
I generally find that being in the front of the battle does give you more of a real time urgency to the scene, making you more eligeable to help your team and win.
deject
Got His War On
+37|7043|Golden, CO
As commander I don't like being in a vehicle because it makes it easier to spot and sneak up on.  However if you're just an infantry guy, you can hide in bushes or in buildings so you can focus more on commanding.
FrontRunner91
Member
+0|7056
Ussually commanders should camp in a nice hiding spot. However there are times when you gotta fight. A dead commander has no powers. Saving your main spawn point and keeping your abilities functional are never bad ideas. As fars as supply drops go. How many times does someone ask for supplys immediately after you drop a crate? Of course you only have 9 squads all thinking they are your top priority and not following any of your orders at all. Generally on an open server you've got a large group of people who are going to fight the battle their way regardless of orders. Then you have 1 or 2 needy squads begging for each and every supply drop, UAV, and ARTY shot. I really love it when someone calls the shot then decides to run straight into it as soon as they hear "Artillary in your area". They are almost as good as the guys who request supplys even though the last crate is still right behind them. They lowest priority is the 1 sqaud who constantly requests new orders even though they never even considered following the last order. ........ I especially remember 1 kid probably 9 years old who had his own locked 1 man squad and wanted to chat with me constantly untill I muted him to focus on the other 8 squads

Last edited by FrontRunner91 (2005-11-20 23:36:07)

GotMex?
$623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt
+193|7032

I would like to suggest that commanders make the best cobra gunners. They can command all they need, while also being part of the game. I've done it a couple times and it works very well. Just get a non-agressive pilot, work the defense, and you got yourself a good setup for play time and command time. Didn't hear a single complaint from my teammates.
Jestar
Shifty's Home Number: 02 9662 8432
+373|7011

Shouldn't the Army just supply all Spec- Ops with More C4?
That would make sense.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7006|Salt Lake City

I'll be the first to admit that I don't have much commander experience, and I usually only apply when no one else will.  I try to play as an engineer to repair artillery, UAV trailer, and radar in case no else is close by to do it, but I always try to stay out of combat and keep an eye on the battles.  Having the other team take strategic sites is a bad, bad thing.  I try to keep scans going every time they are available, and make sure the heaviest concentrations are under UAV so the team know where they are.  My biggest bad was just recently learning that there is an option for all voice commands to be in English.  I was really struggling with commanding Chinese and MEC troops.  :\

But I feel for ya when you get a commander that doesn't know what they are doing.  I actually left a server on Saturday becase the commander was terrible; they were one of those commanders that wants to command from the middle of the fighting.  I finally got tired of it and wanted to initiate a mutiny.  They had configured the server such that no Mutiny button was available.  I left because I won't play on a server that makes those types of limitations.  There are too many other servers with good players and commanders to stay on a bad one like that.
imdead
Death StatPadder
+228|7038|Human Meat Shield

BlaZiN.uk wrote:

I really hate it when the commander keeps saying stuff like " Enemy spotted " over and over again. It just grinds my gears
REally? I do that... when another squad or people are capping a flag to tell show them where the enemy is when the UAV is elsewhere. So it's not a good thing? I've heard different opinions about this what does everyone else think?
Chard_Wreck
Member
+0|7002

imdead wrote:

BlaZiN.uk wrote:

I really hate it when the commander keeps saying stuff like " Enemy spotted " over and over again. It just grinds my gears
REally? I do that... when another squad or people are capping a flag to tell show them where the enemy is when the UAV is elsewhere. So it's not a good thing? I've heard different opinions about this what does everyone else think?
I never thought I'd see someone complaining that the commander is doing their job.

You've only got one UAV and the odds that every single enemy player are going to be in range every time are..well..thats just silly.

There is never just one location that fighting is happening and spotting enemies is the singular most important and under-used feature in BF2.

Personnally, I think commanders should only be able to use the com screen while inside the command trailer. You want to command? Then do it from the command trailer. What? But what happens when the com trailer gets destroyed? Sucks don't it.

On the topic of calling targets. That is my biggest peeve about players. For example, your flying the black hawk, there is no way for you to keep moving targets inside your gunners fireing pattern if you cant see them. Same goes with the two seater jets. Its so much easyer to dog fight when your co-pilot is calling the enemy fighter. They have a much wider field of view than the pilot and should always be on the lookout for enemy jets. You live longer.

Last edited by Chard_Wreck (2005-11-21 09:07:02)

-(PK)-DarkIllusion
Member
+1|7110
i fly a plane n command at the same time.. it posible... ofcourse the other team suks wit airplaines, and no1 is wiling to try the airplanes out.. i provide suport, bombardin tanks, n stuff when needed.. use the camo options to provide UAV, suplies, n arty... however if it gets oeverwelming i get out of the jet n comand more throughly.
[RL]Tarasque
Member
+0|7036|Trondheim, Norway
guy's read upp, these words are golden!

Persionally i tend to tag nmy veicles my self in a dog fight so i got em on the minimap at all times. This is kinda a golden rule in my book. I allways keep it in mind when im a gunner, make my pilots job a lot easier.

Anyways spotting is underused, and i have no problems what so ever with commander taggin enemys to his heart content.
blacksheepcannibal
Member
+24|7022
*squeaksqueaksqueaksqueakclipflapflapflap* *salute*

that was the BS flag. you cannot command and fly at the same time. you need to have the commander screen up at all times ( or at least more than 30 seconds ) to command. on the other hand, you need to be able to watch where you are flying, and if you areing dogfighting, you should be bombing. if you arent bombing, or dogfighting, you should be going back to resupply.

same could be said of heli gunners. they need eyes on the game the entire time, because they need to see infantry that are hiding at all times, even going back to base to reload, because there might just be a spawn camper.

on the flip side, when i am commander, and nobody is in squads, im selfish. screw it; nobody is in squads, that means that nobody wants to play as a team. that means that its every man for himself. squad up, even if its only one or two people in a squad, and ill hide and command all day long. *command*. yeah, that means that you should follow my orders when i command. i see things you dont.

too often people think that commander = arty/UAV/Supplies when you want them. if you want them *request them*. if i dont give something on a request, its because i cant. even then, when i can give them, ill often drop them where they were last requested, though i often verbally ask the squad leaders if they still want them (yeah i use voice).
Scorpian65
Member
+14|7008
I like it when a commander is actually paying attention and spots enemys out.

However it pisses me off to no end when I'm commander and three APC's will ignore my spotting of an enemy who then proceeds to blow their stupid asses up with C4.
YoBabysDaddy
Member
+31|7093|St. Louis, MO
When commanding I only fight as a last ditch effort.On some small maps It's kinda hard to stay in one place hiding.However I do agree a commander should not be flying.As far as spotting goes,yea it's annoying but necessary.

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