Well the j-10 may turn faster and tighter but a j-10 is still possible to shoot down whereas the f-18 is practically impossible to shoot down if he has any after burner left, if he doesn't its still pretty hard.Simon wrote:
Wtf How?Evil-fruits|ST4R wrote:
why does everybody think the j-10 is the best its the f-18.
Give reasons please.
Meh, i don't see it like that, i prefer jet to any other vehicle in the game, and i simply love dogfights, if i don't meet another skilled pilot i just have bomb runs.ExecutionerStyle wrote:
It went down the drain along with any other skill klled in 1.2 because of whining crying smurfs
i agree but there are some pilots....like me that have ballz and dont just loopSargeV1.4 wrote:
Remember those good ol' days before 1.2? Where dogfighting meant chasing another jet around the map, trying to gun him down? Man, that was so much fun. You could go any server with a jet map, start flying, and have a real dogfight with someone. With some luck you might met a similarly skilled pilot and you could spend half the round chasing each other. Lots of pilots actually knew what they were doing, checking their rear, getting both bombs on right on the turret of an enemy tank, and doing some good maneauvering.
Now compare that to aviation in BF2 post 1.2:
'Dogfights' between average players last about 20 seconds. People don't have a f*cking clue what they're doing, incapable of basic things such as landing, using guns, bombing within 15 meters of their target, or actually doing something else than constantly looping to lose their opponent. And of course, dogfights now are purely missles, and missles only. To top it all off, one jet has become supreme to everything else, the almighty J-10. The majority of the time that you're flying a J-10, your opponent will be in an F-35b, the jet most succeptable to missles. Now maps like Wake Island, Dragon Valley, or Dalian Plant have become a game of 'kill as many unlucky soldiers on the carrier with my jet that cannot get shot down by 99% of all pilots'.
Any skill that pilots had before 1.2 seems to have dissapeared since then. As I said before, looping endlessly is all that people do to shake a jet. Oh, a few clever ones might have figured out that flying high gives them a speed boost. yay. They never check their six anymore either. Nor do they ever use bomb mode while flying, as why would you want to go away from your almighty missles? I can simply fly behind an enemy jet for the entire round, and they'd never notice.
And of course, the AA is still useless as ever. But, as was to be expected, pilots still get shot down regularly and call the AA overpowered. Do I need to explain this? I sure hope not.
Surely all the skill that was present before 1.2 can't have just dissapeared?
What the hell has happened to aviation since 1.2?!
ANOTHER COMMON MISCONCEPTION: THE MiG-29 AND THE F-18 ARE BALANCED.
NEIN. The MiG turns faster than the f-18, and in a fight between SKILLED pilots, the MiG pilot will win. Sure, the F-18 can dodge missles, but a good pilot in a MiG WON'T NEED TO
But the Mig-29 can't dodge missiles for shit once they are launched.SargeV1.4 wrote:
WRONG. WRONGER. WRONGEST. WRONGERERESTEST.PBAsydney wrote:
Jets need to be balanced, the only maps with fair jet balancing are FuShe and Daqing, since J-10 and F-18 are both suberb. planes that evade 70% of all missiles with a little banking, so its fun to dogfight with those, rest is just
J-10 > F-35B
F-18 > Mig-29
Mig-29 > F35B
The MiG-29 is better than the F-18. WHY?! because it can turn faster. The f-18 may be able to dodge every missle, but when people try to pull that one on me I just laugh and gun them down mid-loop. When an F-18 tries to chase me, it doesn't stand a chance, because I'm already out of his sight after the first two corners, if he even got that far. However, because the J-10 is faster than both the f18 and the MiG, the F18 is better, due to its ability to dodge missles.yeah.Don't nerf the J-10, un-nerf the F-35B and Mig-29!
btw. I want to see A2A missiles back to 1.12 style, but keep the AA missiles like this for the little scared kiddies who have no skill at all so they aren't crapping themselves in fear due to extremely skilled aces.
My 2cents
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But as it can turn faster, you should never have to dodge missles if you pay attention to all cameras and fly cleverly.But the Mig-29 can't dodge missiles for shit once they are launched.
Why don't we just remove choppers all together?ArmouredKitty wrote:
simple answer to all jet problems and uncap raping....... AA missiles should reload quicker! AND on oman, wake etc Uss Essex turret should be SUPER DUPER POWERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!
A round of FuShe that truly burned into my memory back in 1.12 where everybody was whining about air power, I was in a Linebacker the whole round following my squad full of armor-engineers, needless to say raping the shit out of the chinese since they didn't seem to get coordinated and hit us back, I shot down 4 transport helos, 6 attack helos and 3 J10s! 3 J10s!spacebandit72 wrote:
Well I agree w/ the AA thing.PBAsydney wrote:
btw. I want to see A2A missiles back to 1.12 style, but keep the AA missiles like this for the little scared kiddies who have no skill at all so they aren't crapping themselves in fear due to extremely skilled aces.
My 2cents
Little scared kiddies with no skill at all? No matter how skilled someone is, you can't take out any aircraft with small arms. Helos go down good with the AT if you can get a shot but it used to suck that one would have missile lock with AA and have nothing in the way (clear shot) and still miss. That is stupid.
I hate stupid (ace) pilots who think they are God's gift. Just because they can fly, anyone else that can't has no skill. Get over yourselves.
Don't get me wrong, I give credit where credit is due but a little less asshole attitude would be great.
All right all right, I stand corrected, lol. I just have a bad memory of a F-18 pilot raping me in my Mig-29, I guess I should have paid attention to my 6.SargeV1.4 wrote:
But as it can turn faster, you should never have to dodge missles if you pay attention to all cameras and fly cleverly.But the Mig-29 can't dodge missiles for shit once they are launched.
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Says it all.PBAsydney wrote:
And if you got raped too much back in 1.12 and before by air, that's because the one in your fighter aircraft wasn't doing his job or just sucked.
Bingo.. I still believe air superiority is key.. yet if you're USMC in Oman.. you've got Lightning II's desperately trying to shoot down the SU-34 while MEC's MiG is coverin the Sukhoi's ass.PBAsydney wrote:
And if you got raped too much back in 1.12 and before by air, that's because the one in your fighter aircraft wasn't doing his job or just sucked.
It's not a dogfight anymore. On non-PLA maps, it's a "lock-on" fight. On PLA maps, it's either a "find the F35" fight or "dont get seen by the J10" fight.knightnufer wrote:
Meh, i don't see it like that, i prefer jet to any other vehicle in the game, and i simply love dogfights, if i don't meet another skilled pilot i just have bomb runs.ExecutionerStyle wrote:
It went down the drain along with any other skill klled in 1.2 because of whining crying smurfs
On Wake Island its rush the airfield so our F-35s can actually get off the carrier.ExecutionerStyle wrote:
It's not a dogfight anymore. On non-PLA maps, it's a "lock-on" fight. On PLA maps, it's either a "find the F35" fight or "dont get seen by the J10" fight.
Believe me, after playing BF1942 online for 2 years with a high-latency connection, I know all about leadingUSAFDude_1988 wrote:
I really hate the idiots who try to use guns in a dogfight.. it seems like none of you know about physics. You have to aim ahead of an aircraft to get a hit.. I see it all the time - n00bs shooting well behind my aircraft.. thinkin that since I'm in their crosshairs they'll get a shot.
QFT. "ok i am teh l33t m95teamkiling pilot. bf2 should be exactly the way i want it otherwise dice are n00bz. and anyone who actually tryz 2 kill me with aa is a smurf, lolz."spacebandit72 wrote:
Well I agree w/ the AA thing.PBAsydney wrote:
btw. I want to see A2A missiles back to 1.12 style, but keep the AA missiles like this for the little scared kiddies who have no skill at all so they aren't crapping themselves in fear due to extremely skilled aces.
My 2cents
Little scared kiddies with no skill at all? No matter how skilled someone is, you can't take out any aircraft with small arms. Helos go down good with the AT if you can get a shot but it used to suck that one would have missile lock with AA and have nothing in the way (clear shot) and still miss. That is stupid.
I hate stupid (ace) pilots who think they are God's gift. Just because they can fly, anyone else that can't has no skill. Get over yourselves.
Don't get me wrong, I give credit where credit is due but a little less asshole attitude would be great.
Yeah, until someone mans a stinger and paints you and you desperately try to avoid the missiles, then realize you're a marked man and start mashing the China button on the spawn screen like a nutcase.USAFDude_1988 wrote:
On Wake Island its rush the airfield so our F-35s can actually get off the carrier.ExecutionerStyle wrote:
It's not a dogfight anymore. On non-PLA maps, it's a "lock-on" fight. On PLA maps, it's either a "find the F35" fight or "dont get seen by the J10" fight.
The only hard thing about is getting used to how easy it is to land planes in BF2. If you think this is hard.. try landing planes in MS Flight Simulator 2004 or even a real serious simulation like IL-2 Forgotten Battles... now thats hard buddy._j5689_ wrote:
Landing a plane is hard. What makes it easy at all?
LOL!!!ExecutionerStyle wrote:
Yeah, until someone mans a stinger and paints you and you desperately try to avoid the missiles, then realize you're a marked man and start mashing the China button on the spawn screen like a nutcase.USAFDude_1988 wrote:
On Wake Island its rush the airfield so our F-35s can actually get off the carrier.
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Slowing down and don't flare, because the wonderful BF2 engine will make you do a vertical landing that way....without VTOL engines._j5689_ wrote:
Landing a plane is hard. What makes it easy at all?
He probably doesn't know what flaring an aircraft means...PBAsydney wrote:
Slowing down and don't flare, because the wonderful BF2 engine will make you do a vertical landing that way....without VTOL engines._j5689_ wrote:
Landing a plane is hard. What makes it easy at all?
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lol its really easy just slow to 350kts and land_j5689_ wrote:
Landing a plane is hard. What makes it easy at all?