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2006-07-19 22:28:10
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Da Blooze
+111|7089
I agree with the 1000mph jets in a 2 sq. mile map being ridiculous...I wish jets got to use the whole map, whereas the boundaries right now only use about 1/2-2/3 of each map.  That might encourage a little more dogfighting, if it was easier to get some altitude and fight it out w/o worrying about getting out of control & going out of bounds....

That said, I think BF2 simply would not be BF2 w/o the wide array of vehicles...the infantry is part of the game, but by no means make the game.  I would not have switched from CS:S to BF2 if BF2 was infantry only...the vehicles add extra dimension and depth of gameplay that other infantry-based games lack, and while the jet often seems "cheap" when you're huffing and puffing along on the ground and some asshole going mach 1 sprays 30mm death on you as he whizzes by, I think it's a necessary evil of the game.

If you really hate the jet that much then SF is what you should be looking to...made for glorious groundpounding.
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2006-07-19 22:30:00
PspRpg-7
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+961|7133

Welcome to BF2! Enjoy your stay.
2006-07-20 00:58:06
Talon
Stop reading this and look at my post
+341|7195
There are plenty of good maps without jets - if they were in every map I'd get a bit pissed. Jets are only really a problem in Wake and Gulf of Oman. Wake is a ridculously small map anyway, and theres nowhere to avoid the jets. Gulf of Oman is very open and easy to be bombed.

Apart from those two, jets aren't really a problem. Its only because people play Wake so much that they think Jets own. Wake is designed for pilots. The V shaped island is like two roads for planes to fly down and drop bombs.

Anyway, there are plenty of non-jet maps:

All SF Maps
Mashtuur
Karkand
Sharqi
Jalalabad
Great Wall
Op Harvest
Songhua
2006-07-20 01:27:38
voltage
Member
+46|7275|Sweden
Jets are still dominating too much IMO, all other vehicles are OK (although I think there are too many of them on some maps, seems to be a rule that at least 1 heavy vehicle should spawn at every CP, that's unnecessary).

Don't necessarily saying they should be nerfed though. Actually adding one jet per side could make them keeping each other busy more which would give the ground troopers a break. More rock-paper-scissor thinking is needed. Despite all the power of attack choppers, there are a LOT of weapons that can take it down. Perhaps the bombs of the fighter jet should be replaced so it's given a clearer air-to-air profile, could give it dumb missiles instead. Could make the jets more complex to fly, so that beginners would think once or twice before they get up in the air.

Last edited by voltage (2006-07-20 01:28:46)

2006-07-20 01:38:36
Deaths_Sandman
WOoKie
+6|6938|Florida, USA
Anyone think they should add the Radio Function to Vehicles like they had in BFV? I Enjoyed that especially playing as a sniper  as you could always hear the guy in the jeep from a good distance away cause he was jamming to some classic tunes.
2006-07-20 01:39:46
Masta_Daco
Member
+39|7171|Amsterdam,The Netherlands

Kobrakai wrote:

Go and play CS, your kind is not welcome in bf2.
2006-07-20 01:50:06
Slickfish
Member
+24|7058
I have no problems with the jets, yeah it annoying to get spammed when in a jeep on wake!, but still It's nice to see a pilot distroy a Type-98 thats rolling into you flag!.
I think jets are fine as long as they kill you without having to ram you!!!, that sucks!!.

As for helo's I think they are great, if you get a good pilot and gunner then they can dominate, but that doesn't happen often.
2006-07-20 02:00:58
']['error
Banned
+630|7079|The Netherlands
good aviators have an key role in the maps! decreasing enemy forces, killing Armour that is about to rape your base with no AT around. many people don't see how an good aviator can help it's team to victory. No we can't cap flags, but as the infantry etc caps an flag, the aviator helps to keep the enemy tanks etc away from the base the infantry is capping. many people don't spot an enemy tank, helo etc when they See it.. it only takes 1 x press Q en 1 click to spot it! then the aviator goes on his way to bomb the target you've just spotted! I really find it annoying when nobody is spotting helo's etc, now I have to search for targets myself, and i don't know if your ass is in danger if don't spot anything....JUST SPOT! yeah spot enemy aircraft to, i'll hunt em down for you, but I have to know where they are if I want to do that.....use the magic Q-button!

- ']['error

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2006-07-20 02:35:22
shaga_delik
Member
+8|7101|Brighton, UK
I say make jets and choppers land to re-arm.  It amazes me how all you need to do is fly over the runway to get more bombs.  This would:

1) Reduce the amount of bombing runs while still keeping the jets power
2) Make pilots more cautious about WHAT they are dropping bombs on (me usually!)
3) Let all the pilots show off their skills by doing carrier landings!
4) Even up the game a little.  Anyway who thinks it's ok at the moment must be enjoying those 80:1 K/D rounds!

Of course this does mean as soon as you land someone will shoot you out of the cockpit! ha ha.  I don't fly at all.  I had a go but after an hour of getting TK and having kick votes against me (not your jet!) I gave up and got back on my boots!
2006-07-20 02:41:49
Masta_Daco
Member
+39|7171|Amsterdam,The Netherlands

shaga_delik wrote:

I say make jets and choppers land to re-arm.  It amazes me how all you need to do is fly over the runway to get more bombs.  This would:

1) Reduce the amount of bombing runs while still keeping the jets power
2) Make pilots more cautious about WHAT they are dropping bombs on (me usually!)
3) Let all the pilots show off their skills by doing carrier landings!
4) Even up the game a little.  Anyway who thinks it's ok at the moment must be enjoying those 80:1 K/D rounds!

Of course this does mean as soon as you land someone will shoot you out of the cockpit! ha ha.  I don't fly at all.  I had a go but after an hour of getting TK and having kick votes against me (not your jet!) I gave up and got back on my boots!
landing a plane sucks  i can land i sometimes do it to repair faster but sometimes morons stand infront your plane and u have to tk them but i do agree with landing helo's
2006-07-20 02:54:54
Hellfire(Fish)
Your Favorite Whiny Liberal
+8|6940|Alabama, United States
Even though I must agree that ALL vehicles play a role in BF2, I must honestly say that Jets are the biggest problem BF2 faces.
If the game was buggy enough to make them easy to shoot down for a skilled AA gunner, or even less powerful against ground forces, things would be MUCH better on some maps.
But helicopters suffer no such problems, since they don't go 1000+mph they can't just run away from AA, they have to hide from it. A hidden helo isn't as useful for attacking either is it? It even makes them MORE vulnerable to ground troops, such as AT rockets.
As for jets?
The only thing they fear is another jet getting on their tail.
Other than that, they may spam bombs and strafe vehicles/infantry to their hearts content.
Completely dominating the air, sea, and land.
I suggest reverting AA missles to their former "only useful against a plane flying AWAY from the launcher" status, becasue that was when I remember the damn things ACTUALLY HITTING THE FUCKING PLANES!
I actually do fly bombers often, and pilot all manner of choppers/armor, so i know how it feels from every angle.
Anyway, just my rant on planes.
2006-07-20 02:58:25
zer0fus10n
Member
+14|6946
I think you got owned by a jet one to many times ;$
2006-07-20 03:04:51
voltage
Member
+46|7275|Sweden
IMO the AA was improved in the late patches so occasionally I down a jet or two, and I started killing a lot more choppers. The problem is that improving AA even more would give a major effect on choppers but hardly put a dent in jet dominance - they simply fly away before lock on can be acquired. Therefore it needs to be something else IMO.
2006-07-20 03:06:38
HW--CHOPPER
Member
+22|7114
you want real d/l the project reality mini mod man they have tweaked it so fine

http://www.realitymod.com/

and they have new maps too

mmmmmmm new maps

not to mention the little bird and when they bring .40 out it will have a hole new army
and it does not cost 10 bucks
2006-07-20 06:44:48
Linus
Member
+53|7088
jets are useless in BF2...  nothing but bomb spam.  I get killed by my own jet kiddies as much as I
do the enemy.  They cause so many problems in BF2.. I guess I cant be too wrong as even the idiot
EA is apparently making them an option in the 1.4 patch.

I didnt expect all you jet kiddies to agree with me.. hell no..

Look at your team points at the end of every round... near nothing if not in the negative..  so what if
you get kills and reduce the ticket by 1..  the infantryman taking bases reduces the tickets 500% more
and without all the waste of waiting around airfields or carrier decks all game like a bunch of retards.

1000+ mph jets on a 2 square mile map.... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Dont worry jet kiddies, Your daddys logitech will still be there even after the 1.4 patch..
2006-07-20 07:19:25
Wicked97
Member
+5|6960
Linus just play karkand and stfu.
2006-07-20 07:41:16
Bernadictus
Moderator
+1,055|7172

Linus wrote:

jets are useless in BF2...  nothing but bomb spam.  I get killed by my own jet kiddies as much as I
do the enemy.  They cause so many problems in BF2.. I guess I cant be too wrong as even the idiot
EA is apparently making them an option in the 1.4 patch.

I didnt expect all you jet kiddies to agree with me.. hell no..

Look at your team points at the end of every round... near nothing if not in the negative..  so what if
you get kills and reduce the ticket by 1..  the infantryman taking bases reduces the tickets 500% more
and without all the waste of waiting around airfields or carrier decks all game like a bunch of retards.

1000+ mph jets on a 2 square mile map.... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Dont worry jet kiddies, Your daddys logitech will still be there even after the 1.4 patch..
You are the type of infantry crybabby I use AA on.
2006-07-20 08:03:17
Mouse315
Bash.org Junkie
+105|6955

Linus wrote:

Lets be realistic here,

Linus wrote:

what did all the bunny hop haters say.. 'whaaa whaaa its so unrealistic!! whhaa whaaa'!

Hey, psst... cmere.....  umm....have you ever seen a soldier get killed.. (THATS DEAD..)
on a battlefield, get defib'd, get up, run off and shoot enemies again ?

Hmm.. wheres your threads about that , all you 'realistics' ? ??
From your other thread, I would think that you were anti-realism.
2006-07-20 08:16:33
Linus
Member
+53|7088

Mouse315 wrote:

Linus wrote:

Lets be realistic here,

Linus wrote:

what did all the bunny hop haters say.. 'whaaa whaaa its so unrealistic!! whhaa whaaa'!

Hey, psst... cmere.....  umm....have you ever seen a soldier get killed.. (THATS DEAD..)
on a battlefield, get defib'd, get up, run off and shoot enemies again ?

Hmm.. wheres your threads about that , all you 'realistics' ? ??
From your other thread, I would think that you were anti-realism.
actually I have no problem with the unrealism of the medic class... Im just making a point
that all the cry babies cried and moaned for months about 'bunny hopping'..because
'it isnt realistic..'   but I have yet to see posts about the other OBVIOUS unrealistic aspects
of BF2..

Listen, Ive been hasty with my angst against the jets in this game.  No offense to those who
fly..  Being 100% honest here, the models, physics, etc of the chops and jets are cool as hell.
They look and work very well in BF2..   kudos to DICE for actually getting these pretty damn
good and usable in this game... my problem is that the problems they cause on a LOT of games
as well as all the rules that have to be administered by admins make them a needed server option
which someone has already informed me is coming in the next patch..   

So to those who I have offended, my apologies... I just want to play other maps besides karkand
without all the un-wanted spam..
2006-07-20 08:30:59
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7227

Linus wrote:

theyre totally useless to the battle anyhow.. and 9 out of 10 pilots
are just in it for points not wins..   every server I play on, and I mean
EVERY server I play on, the jet noobs ruin the game.
What you say has a major flaw.  Getting points in a jet means killing the opposition.  Killing people reduces the tickets.  If you kill fast enough, it doesn't matter how many spawns you have so actually good pilots are intrinsic to winning maps that have aircraft.

If anything is sure to ruin a game, it's the people who are only in it for the win - they will surely bail if their side isn't winning and suddenly one team has half the number of players.
2006-07-20 11:12:53
VeNg3nCe^
¦Tactics Øver Principles¦
+314|7140|Antarctica

BabySpinach13 wrote:

Why don't you just play Special Forces.   There are no jets there...
Yep, and the choppers are uber weak.  I find it funnt that so many ppl complain about aircraft in BATTLEFIELD (this is not CS or CoD) when they have Special Forces with grapple hooks, zip lines, night maps, new enterable statics, and more vehicles/weapons....... but then they find something else to whine about.
2006-07-20 11:35:10
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7278|Reykjavík, Iceland.

Kobrakai wrote:

Go and play CS, your kind is not welcome in bf2.
+1 for you sir!

It's true many jet pilots suck, but we don't all suck, for instance, aren't you reliefed when a tank is whoring you and a friendly fighter dive bombs the crap out of the punk, or when you are trying to move into a heavily fortified outpost and wee, there comes the bomber to clean it up!

As I said, it all depends on who's flying. Air superiority will give you a better chance of winning the map.

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2006-07-20 11:40:00
Microwave
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+515|7090|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK

Linus wrote:

theyre totally useless to the battle anyhow.. and 9 out of 10 pilots
are just in it for points not wins..   every server I play on, and I mean
EVERY server I play on, the jet noobs ruin the game.

Lets be realistic here, Should there really be a 1000+ mph jet in a 2 square
mile map.. no. Thats laughable.

All the little kiddies spawn at the carriers and airfields ALL game, even when
your team is needing a base, and finally gets one, nobody spawns there because
you get 5 or 6 noobs waiting at the airfield or carrier for a jet or chopper..

Its all they care about is kills, and points.. not actually winning, or helping their
team.. of course, they'll tell you they help the team.. and that its actually skills..
BULLSHIT. 

bomb, reload, bomb, reload, bomb reload.. its a total joke.. ruins the infantry
game in BF2, and thats where the game REALLY is.

Also, you gotta count the fact that not only is half your team sitting around the
jet and chopper spawn points doing nothing half the game, they get into little
kiddie fights over whos going to get it when they spawn... killing each other ,
blowing up the jet when they see a buddy running for it thats closer, or the newest
kiddie fad.. stepping in front of it when it takes off so they cause a teamkill.

jets totally make Battlefield 2 a disgrace as a war game..   Choppers are almost as
bad, but at least they move slower and you have half a chance at blowing it up..
Choppers spinning around bases with the cannon blaring, spawn raping the bases IS
a problem, but not as bad as the jet kiddies.

I wish we could disable aircraft on any map, so we could have infantry only games..
They are 10X funner.. cut the noobness in half if not more.. and skill is actually a
factor, rather than some kiddie with his daddys joystick bombing anything that moves
including teammates.

I know theres no argument here, I mean, hell, look at ALL the rules you see on EVERY
server... What do you think 99% of them are related too.. ??  jet and chopper kiddies.
Lets see...

NO Base raping.. well thats DEFINATELY jet and chopper related, how can a infantryman
rape a base ??

NO tking for vehicles.... SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

No raping Non Capable bases.. again, 100% releated to jets or choppers.

No ramming.  speaks for itself.

No stealing vehicles... I would guess this originated and is mostly jet and choppers.

No forced tks..    again, I see people standing in front of jets all the time on purpose...
because their little kiddie ass got their feelings hurt someone got the jet before them..
but I give you that this could also be land vehicles.

and yes, I would include.. this one..

NO ARTY on the carrier... well, why would that be jet chopper related? well because theres
always 4 or 5 noobs spawning there for their precious little jet and thats who gets ARTYd.

NO CARTILLERY ON THE AIRCRAFT....speaks for itself..

I know theres more, I just cant think of them, but I see these rules EVERYWHERE I play..
and theyre all caused by the little retards who play for themselves and not their teams..

Play city maps you say ?? Ugh.. look what we got to chose from.. I mean how many times
is karkand fun before it gets old..   for me? that time passed long ago.

Its just a shame knowing that great maps like wake island would be 10x funner without the
little kiddies flying around all game doing nothing but dropping bombs which you have no defense
for..

my rant.  Battlefield 2 is becoming a joke of a game to play.. I miss getting killed by actual skills.
Yeh, that is really true, well done putting that collection of perfect sense together!





But this guy....

Kobrakai wrote:

Go and play CS, your kind is not welcome in bf2.
what an idiot!
2006-07-20 11:43:03
Trigger_Happy_92
Uses the TV missle too much
+394|7084

Kobrakai wrote:

Go and play CS, your kind is not welcome in bf2.
exactly what i was gona say, and i did! CS ftw!
2006-07-20 12:23:42
Twist
Too old to be doing this sh*t
+103|6958|Little blue planet, milky way
Now, I DID actually read the first post, and while I don't TOTALLY agree. Sure, linus, you've got a couple of good points, you suck at making them, but you've got some good points. Yeah, I got even more adently in your favor because of the moron who posted that ficticious piece of work saying to go play another game.

But really. You CANNOT start complaining about the game not being realistic, and at the same time argue that you like/need/want infantry combat. This game is like totally bullshit when it comes to realism. When was the last time you saw a proxyfuse claymore ? Or for that matter, do you KNOW what kind of load there is in an M82 cartridge ? Or for that matter, that the G3 fires the same cartridge ? What kind of "magic" is it that lets you heal up when you walk over someones old gym shorts ? Or how come you just took a 12.7 shot to the body and is still able to walk ? How come the guy who designed the Anti Tank weapon that needs 3-5 shots to kill a tank is fired yet ? Or for that matter isn't it amazing the way ALL of the soliders on the battlefield have EXACTLY the same stamina and run EXACTLY equally fast ? Shees, that must make for some serious drilling in that mans army.

This game is NOT about realism. this game is NOT about tank, it's NOT about airpower and it's NOT about infantry.
In general it's just a GAME. it has flaws. Learn to live with them. Yes, on some maps the jets are very powerful, on some maps they're not. On some maps the helos rule, on some the tanks. And again, it all depends on the guy USING the hardware, and similary his ability to pwn like mad depends on the opposing teams skill and willingness to fight back. You'd be AMAZED at how many morons actually can SEE the enemy tank at their chosen spawn point and still choose to spawn as medic (!) "Hey.. that's someone else's problem, I'm the medic, right ?"

Believe it or not.. the game IS actually quite balanced now. On each and every map that I play, it's skill that wins the day, not hardware, not the map layout or anything else. The same people who just got cramed as US on Dalian can all switch teams and pwn just as bad the other way around.

Sure the game is more fast paced when you play the big servers.. if you dislike all the hardawre, wait for the infantry mode the next patch brings.. or start playing 16 player maps... not a lot of hardware on those... Or find some mods/maps that are NOT ranked.. after all, if you really liek the game, it's not about your SCORE, is it ?

So dont complain, you have plenty of options available to you, if you chose not to use them, why should the rst of us suffer ?
I freggin hate the jet jockeys aswell, but they're there to play same as you. Learn to live with it.

 

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