Allah does not equal my God. Kenjennings, cameron sorry but my God is not Allah. The word god may equal Allah but God does not. And you are all blind if you think this is not about religion. It is not about wanton killing of civilians. In my Bible Israel was promised to the jews. I wondre why the UN decided on placing the state of Israel in that region. Could it be because of the historical significance of the land.
Okay, for starters HEZBOLLAH IS LEBANNON. Hezbollah has two seperate wings! One is a civillian wing which controls positions in the lebanese parliament as well as provides and runs SCHOOLS HOSPITALS AND NEWS SERVICES. The second wing of hezbollah is the defense wing. This part of hezbollah was founded for the precise reason of DRIVING ISRAEL OUT OF LEBANNON during their occupation from 1920-2000. This is the wing of hezbollah that acts as guerilla freedom fighters and has gained them the branding of terrorists among the US, Canada, the UK, and Israel. No other countries consider hezbollah a terrorist organization, however, the EU (european union) considers their head a terrorist. So, if Israel destroys hezbollah, they MUST DESTROY THE CIVILLIAB POPULACE as well as Lebannons government and the majority of their public services! Israel is waging a war on Lebannon when they wage a war on hezbollah.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Lebanon cannot control hizbollah? Um, here is an idea, ASK FOR HELP UN, US, UK, EU, PRC, Israel ask someone, they do have representation in the UN, and many embassies thoughout Lebanon, don't throw your hands up and say not my problem.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Lebanon cannot control Hezbollah. They do not have the power nor the resources. Not to mention that the indiscriminate killing of Lebanese civilians is probably fostering more hate for Israel, and seeding future terrorism. Israel can and will attack Hezbollah any chance they get. I welcome that. The less terrorist organizations the better. What I do not agree with is the attacking of civilians. They aren't attacking Hezbollah, they are killing innocent people trying to live their life. If they (Israel) must kill Arabs to feel safe, then yes, they are doing what they must.Stealth42o wrote:
Lebenon harbors Hezbollah. If they won't take care of the problem, Isreal will. A goverments first responibility is to take care of it's citizens. They are doing what they must.
What about the innocent civilians being killed in Israel, do you disagree if hizbollah had more accurate weaponry the total civilian deaths in Israel would be larger? I'd be willing to wager if they had more accurate weaponry hizbollah would deliberately target civilians. If it's not happening now. I feel that any civilian life lost is precious, but I can assure you Israel is taking more steps to safeguard against killing civilians, than hizbollah.
As far as targeting citizens, the reported rocket strikes in Israel have all been in southern Israel primarily in the port city of Haifa, which is just across the border from the Gaza Strip which is full of OPRESSED PALESTINIANS. Is it more likely the inaccurate rockets came from lebannon ALL the way up north of Israel and someone managed to hit a major port city, or is it more likely the enraged palestinians right next door were firing them?
And how can you compare civillian deaths? Of all the rocket attacks the most any barrage killed was EIGHT PEOPLE. ONLY EIGHT PEOPLE, the majority of the attacks missing entirely. In one week Israel has killed upwards of THREE HUNDRED CIVILIANS. These numbers are not comparable in the least.
Who cares what the UN says. Israel certainly doesn't, seeing as THEY HAVENT COMPLIED WITH A UN RESOLUTION EVER.rawls2 wrote:
Allah does not equal my God. Kenjennings, cameron sorry but my God is not Allah. The word god may equal Allah but God does not. And you are all blind if you think this is not about religion. It is not about wanton killing of civilians. In my Bible Israel was promised to the jews. I wondre why the UN decided on placing the state of Israel in that region. Could it be because of the historical significance of the land.
And sorry, but Allah refers to the same deity as God. You may not like it, you don't have to accept it, but its fact. Another fact you may not accept, is that christianity, judaism, and islamism all derive from the same historical and religious roots. And as far as merits or moral strength, the Koran preeches a much more peaceful, charitable, and morally upstanding life than the bible.
actually it doesn't. it preaches that the faithful muslims go out and kill unbelievers. infact, i think there are something like 4 "passages" that say something to that affect. Now the Bible isn't all innocent itself. There is a few places where it actually mentions that the Jews should have killed the Muslims a long time ago, but they failed to do so. You know the Sons of Abraham time frame. The Jews were suppose to kill all the villages of the other brother's decendents.jonsimon wrote:
Who cares what the UN says. Israel certainly doesn't, seeing as THEY HAVENT COMPLIED WITH A UN RESOLUTION EVER.rawls2 wrote:
Allah does not equal my God. Kenjennings, cameron sorry but my God is not Allah. The word god may equal Allah but God does not. And you are all blind if you think this is not about religion. It is not about wanton killing of civilians. In my Bible Israel was promised to the jews. I wondre why the UN decided on placing the state of Israel in that region. Could it be because of the historical significance of the land.
And sorry, but Allah refers to the same deity as God. You may not like it, you don't have to accept it, but its fact. Another fact you may not accept, is that christianity, judaism, and islamism all derive from the same historical and religious roots. And as far as merits or moral strength, the Koran preeches a much more peaceful, charitable, and morally upstanding life than the bible.
back on topic. Both books are bloody, teach the "golden rule," and have their quirks within them. No two ways getting around it, the war will end when one side or the other dies. And when it says that the Hand of God will come down and protect the Holy Land when the rest of the world has united against it. I sure do believe it.
Anyone who refers to God as a diety or an offspring of another religion is going to hell. If you dont beleive me it wont bother you to much me telling you this. And religion is not fact it is faith. Heres an interesting point. Muhamed was a bastard child born out of wedlock so the Christian faith will never recognize him as a true prophet. So the fact that a whole religion spawned from him makes that religion bogus, ie Muslims.Ridir wrote:
actually it doesn't. it preaches that the faithful muslims go out and kill unbelievers. infact, i think there are something like 4 "passages" that say something to that affect. Now the Bible isn't all innocent itself. There is a few places where it actually mentions that the Jews should have killed the Muslims a long time ago, but they failed to do so. You know the Sons of Abraham time frame. The Jews were suppose to kill all the villages of the other brother's decendents.jonsimon wrote:
Who cares what the UN says. Israel certainly doesn't, seeing as THEY HAVENT COMPLIED WITH A UN RESOLUTION EVER.rawls2 wrote:
Allah does not equal my God. Kenjennings, cameron sorry but my God is not Allah. The word god may equal Allah but God does not. And you are all blind if you think this is not about religion. It is not about wanton killing of civilians. In my Bible Israel was promised to the jews. I wondre why the UN decided on placing the state of Israel in that region. Could it be because of the historical significance of the land.
And sorry, but Allah refers to the same deity as God. You may not like it, you don't have to accept it, but its fact. Another fact you may not accept, is that christianity, judaism, and islamism all derive from the same historical and religious roots. And as far as merits or moral strength, the Koran preeches a much more peaceful, charitable, and morally upstanding life than the bible.
back on topic. Both books are bloody, teach the "golden rule," and have their quirks within them. No two ways getting around it, the war will end when one side or the other dies. And when it says that the Hand of God will come down and protect the Holy Land when the rest of the world has united against it. I sure do believe it.
A common misconception. The Koran mentions violance only for the lesser jihad, or the struggle to protect ones property, family, and self. The koran preaches pacifism otherwise.Ridir wrote:
actually it doesn't. it preaches that the faithful muslims go out and kill unbelievers. infact, i think there are something like 4 "passages" that say something to that affect. Now the Bible isn't all innocent itself. There is a few places where it actually mentions that the Jews should have killed the Muslims a long time ago, but they failed to do so. You know the Sons of Abraham time frame. The Jews were suppose to kill all the villages of the other brother's decendents.jonsimon wrote:
Who cares what the UN says. Israel certainly doesn't, seeing as THEY HAVENT COMPLIED WITH A UN RESOLUTION EVER.rawls2 wrote:
Allah does not equal my God. Kenjennings, cameron sorry but my God is not Allah. The word god may equal Allah but God does not. And you are all blind if you think this is not about religion. It is not about wanton killing of civilians. In my Bible Israel was promised to the jews. I wondre why the UN decided on placing the state of Israel in that region. Could it be because of the historical significance of the land.
And sorry, but Allah refers to the same deity as God. You may not like it, you don't have to accept it, but its fact. Another fact you may not accept, is that christianity, judaism, and islamism all derive from the same historical and religious roots. And as far as merits or moral strength, the Koran preeches a much more peaceful, charitable, and morally upstanding life than the bible.
back on topic. Both books are bloody, teach the "golden rule," and have their quirks within them. No two ways getting around it, the war will end when one side or the other dies. And when it says that the Hand of God will come down and protect the Holy Land when the rest of the world has united against it. I sure do believe it.
Okay, provide your source please?jonsimon wrote:
Okay, for starters HEZBOLLAH IS LEBANNON. Hezbollah has two seperate wings! One is a civillian wing which controls positions in the lebanese parliament as well as provides and runs SCHOOLS HOSPITALS AND NEWS SERVICES. The second wing of hezbollah is the defense wing. This part of hezbollah was founded for the precise reason of DRIVING ISRAEL OUT OF LEBANNON during their occupation from 1920-2000. This is the wing of hezbollah that acts as guerilla freedom fighters and has gained them the branding of terrorists among the US, Canada, the UK, and Israel. No other countries consider hezbollah a terrorist organization, however, the EU (european union) considers their head a terrorist. So, if Israel destroys hezbollah, they MUST DESTROY THE CIVILLIAB POPULACE as well as Lebannons government and the majority of their public services! Israel is waging a war on Lebannon when they wage a war on hezbollah.
As far as targeting citizens, the reported rocket strikes in Israel have all been in southern Israel primarily in the port city of Haifa, which is just across the border from the Gaza Strip which is full of OPRESSED PALESTINIANS. Is it more likely the inaccurate rockets came from lebannon ALL the way up north of Israel and someone managed to hit a major port city, or is it more likely the enraged palestinians right next door were firing them?
And how can you compare civillian deaths? Of all the rocket attacks the most any barrage killed was EIGHT PEOPLE. ONLY EIGHT PEOPLE, the majority of the attacks missing entirely. In one week Israel has killed upwards of THREE HUNDRED CIVILIANS. These numbers are not comparable in the least.
Is the BBC a good source?
I started listing all of the links for you to read, but actually there were too many and they were all good. However, there are some major problems with your version - although it does discuss a proportional response to the initial attack on the Israeli outpost.
Here's the starter:
Q&A - Middle East Crisis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 180202.stm
And the one that you haven't read:
The divided loyalties of Lebanon
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 200628.stm
And the UN War Crimes warning:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 197544.stm
There's like a dozen links. I would encourage you to read them or shut up. Choose one.
The internet is a wonderful thing - it has news - read it sometime.
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You ever think they attack civilian targets because it's easier? Civilian targets are everywhere, military targets are far fewer. To attack military targets they would need more accurate weapons. If they had more accurate weapons i think they would attack military targets.|AIA| DAS wrote:
What about the innocent civilians being killed in Israel, do you disagree if hizbollah had more accurate weaponry the total civilian deaths in Israel would be larger? I'd be willing to wager if they had more accurate weaponry hizbollah would deliberately target civilians. If it's not happening now. I feel that any civilian life lost is precious, but I can assure you Israel is taking more steps to safeguard against killing civilians, than hizbollah.
Logically speaking, killing civilians is just a waste of ammo if you're fighting a war so unless they're dumber then i already think they are, they would be going after the military. Right now they just seem to be dumb firing rockets.
Say what you will, Hizbullah has killed what, around 15 civilians while Israel has taken out 300+ (which will no doubt create future terrorism).
Eye for an eye x 20, nice.
Tell me then man what is the difference if your country gets mortar attacked and if a plane flies into your countries capital buildings? A few more dead people? Does it give America the right to go and perform mass genocide and radiate a huge area killing innocents in a war which has claimed 2000 of their own troops for what? No one feels safer now the chances of a terrorist attack are higher then ever and your president speaks a lot of bull trying to re assure you. I cannot beleive the stupidity of some of the people on here thinking what your country does is right but when another country does the same thing its wrong. Do you know the intentional bombing of civilian targets its used by America? It supposedly decreases moral of the enemy? Does it really? It seems that it just pisses off more people. What you think America was attacked for fun? America has been killing civilians and performing genocide in the area of the middle east for years. I was in the Balkan conflict and i was there during the bombings of Belgrade. Where the US was intentionally bombing civilians and power stations. How can you justify that the War was in Kosovo and the borders between Bosnia and Croatia and Serbia and yet you bomb a city hundreds of kilometres away from the war zone. Bombing bridges to cut supply CAN YOU JUSTIFY THAT? CAN YOU? Bombing of a bus full of civilians? Bombing a power station which is in no way related to the military since the military has generators of its own? Wonder why the US isn't doing jack all cause the US does the same thing. What Israel has done and is doing is nothing different from what the US has done. The US and British were the only ones to drop bombs on civilian targets in the Balkan conflict the Balkan conflict was not an attack on the US but a civil war. You call your army peace keepers? Think about it hypocrites.
Aw Stealth, how you gonna do me like that? You know deep down Israel is out of control, and if you don't believe that you at least gotta believe we have no business dumping all that money and equipment in their country.Stealth42o wrote:
There jews not muslims for starters. Yes Iserial doesn't take any shit from no one, bless them. In this PC world we live in I like that there is at least one country left you know not to fuck with.delta4bravo*nl* wrote:
Im sick of crazy muslims, nuke em all.
Lebenon harbors Hezbollah. If they won't take care of the problem, Isreal will. A goverments first responibility is to take care of it's citizens. They are doing what they must.
rawls you have to be the most ignorant person to walk the earth, people like you are the people that start wars, not stop them. You and your, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, MY GOD, EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING TO HELL AND MOHAMMAD WAS AN ASS. You know that you are making yourself look extremely stupid by flat out denying these FACTS, you cant deny something that is unfailingly proven and accepted by millions of other people, just because it upsets you. the ignorance is so thick you could walk across it around you.rawls2 wrote:
Anyone who refers to God as a diety or an offspring of another religion is going to hell. If you dont beleive me it wont bother you to much me telling you this. And religion is not fact it is faith. Heres an interesting point. Muhamed was a bastard child born out of wedlock so the Christian faith will never recognize him as a true prophet. So the fact that a whole religion spawned from him makes that religion bogus, ie Muslims.Ridir wrote:
actually it doesn't. it preaches that the faithful muslims go out and kill unbelievers. infact, i think there are something like 4 "passages" that say something to that affect. Now the Bible isn't all innocent itself. There is a few places where it actually mentions that the Jews should have killed the Muslims a long time ago, but they failed to do so. You know the Sons of Abraham time frame. The Jews were suppose to kill all the villages of the other brother's decendents.jonsimon wrote:
Who cares what the UN says. Israel certainly doesn't, seeing as THEY HAVENT COMPLIED WITH A UN RESOLUTION EVER.
And sorry, but Allah refers to the same deity as God. You may not like it, you don't have to accept it, but its fact. Another fact you may not accept, is that christianity, judaism, and islamism all derive from the same historical and religious roots. And as far as merits or moral strength, the Koran preeches a much more peaceful, charitable, and morally upstanding life than the bible.
back on topic. Both books are bloody, teach the "golden rule," and have their quirks within them. No two ways getting around it, the war will end when one side or the other dies. And when it says that the Hand of God will come down and protect the Holy Land when the rest of the world has united against it. I sure do believe it.
i myself am a medium with no religious beliefs, i am atheist so i have no bias. But what i am here to tell you, and everyone here on this board too, is that we worship the same god, he may have different names, his people may preach in different ways, have different opinions, and traditions. BUT they are still without a shadow of a doubt the SAME god. as i have already said, our religions all were derived from the same ancient religion, and originally all three of our religions Judaism, Islam and Christianity were one religion. and over time they broke up, drifted apart and changed for the different people.
As for all the people that think that the Qu'ran preaches killing and jihad means holy war, then you are all wrong, i have studied Islam and i know that these are common misconceptions - jihad actually means struggle. it has a wide range of meanings, there is jihad of the heart - the inner struggle against evil
jihad of the tongue - waging war on evil through words
jihad of the pen - the struggle against evil through study of Islam
jihad of the hand - the struggle against evil through ones wealth
jihad of the sword - the struggle against evil through force.
now you are all going to cry well they are just all fighting the last one, jihad of the sword. well actually, it isn't.
jihad of the sword is a very strict part of the Qu'ran and people have rules - like the Geneva convention, and they are only allowed to wage this war for certain reasons. in fact they are discouraged from using this jihad of the sword, and first they must exhaust other options - If they are persecuted and oppressed, the Qur'an recommends that they migrate to a more peaceful and tolerant land, and then they must try other things first, it is a long process before it is legal jihad war.
the people who are terrorists have twisted the words of the Qu'ran to suit them, they are extremists - just like in America there are extremest Christians who kill other races. this is a very very small proportion of Islamic people, who have chosen to twist the words of their religion in order to fight simply because they don't like the west. it isn't a holy war, that is simply the cover for it, the excuse. Because people in the Islamic world shun it (excluding the extremists) because it is an illegal holy war, that is being wages against the Qu'rans rules.
Dude the UN is a sham. Syria Just blackmailed the UN and said they dont want ANY deligation comeing to them. They want isreal DEAD, its that simple. Noone but Isreal wants a deal. so there ya have it. Yhe Mighty UN at work. EVERYONE is turning to the US to stop this, but if we do we will be seen as the bad guys anyways. Its not worth it. Let France and them deal with it with socalled Santions and negotiations. Then maybe they will see that it all in vane and say Hey, maybe the US was right, these folks dont understand nothing but Force.jonsimon wrote:
Who cares what the UN says. Israel certainly doesn't, seeing as THEY HAVENT COMPLIED WITH A UN RESOLUTION EVER.rawls2 wrote:
Allah does not equal my God. Kenjennings, cameron sorry but my God is not Allah. The word god may equal Allah but God does not. And you are all blind if you think this is not about religion. It is not about wanton killing of civilians. In my Bible Israel was promised to the jews. I wondre why the UN decided on placing the state of Israel in that region. Could it be because of the historical significance of the land.
And sorry, but Allah refers to the same deity as God. You may not like it, you don't have to accept it, but its fact. Another fact you may not accept, is that christianity, judaism, and islamism all derive from the same historical and religious roots. And as far as merits or moral strength, the Koran preeches a much more peaceful, charitable, and morally upstanding life than the bible.
Just for the record because it seems Religion is being brought into this topic in a big way.
I dont believe Anyone or any entity should be held above anyone. No one person or entity should be placed above another person and worshiped. religion spawned from peoples need to belong, to be accepted. Nothing more nothing less. Its like wanting to belong to the country club. A Bunch of sheep with no will of there own is my stance. I cant say that there is or isn't a god, or Whatever, so i stay neutral on the subject. Organized religion is nothing more than a way to get what you want by Just sheer numbers of believers forcing issues so as to get there own way in ANY situation in the world. Its an avenues in which people can lay blame for there Actions On there so called beliefs.
That is all And this is JMO
I dont believe Anyone or any entity should be held above anyone. No one person or entity should be placed above another person and worshiped. religion spawned from peoples need to belong, to be accepted. Nothing more nothing less. Its like wanting to belong to the country club. A Bunch of sheep with no will of there own is my stance. I cant say that there is or isn't a god, or Whatever, so i stay neutral on the subject. Organized religion is nothing more than a way to get what you want by Just sheer numbers of believers forcing issues so as to get there own way in ANY situation in the world. Its an avenues in which people can lay blame for there Actions On there so called beliefs.
That is all And this is JMO
Flat out WRONG: Lebanon has been asking for it since Israel began it's recent civilian killing rampage.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Dude the UN is a sham. Syria Just blackmailed the UN and said they dont want ANY deligation comeing to them. They want isreal DEAD, its that simple. Noone but Isreal wants a deal. so there ya have it. Yhe Mighty UN at work. EVERYONE is turning to the US to stop this, but if we do we will be seen as the bad guys anyways. Its not worth it. Let France and them deal with it with socalled Santions and negotiations. Then maybe they will see that it all in vane and say Hey, maybe the US was right, these folks dont understand nothing but Force.jonsimon wrote:
Who cares what the UN says. Israel certainly doesn't, seeing as THEY HAVENT COMPLIED WITH A UN RESOLUTION EVER.rawls2 wrote:
Allah does not equal my God. Kenjennings, cameron sorry but my God is not Allah. The word god may equal Allah but God does not. And you are all blind if you think this is not about religion. It is not about wanton killing of civilians. In my Bible Israel was promised to the jews. I wondre why the UN decided on placing the state of Israel in that region. Could it be because of the historical significance of the land.
And sorry, but Allah refers to the same deity as God. You may not like it, you don't have to accept it, but its fact. Another fact you may not accept, is that christianity, judaism, and islamism all derive from the same historical and religious roots. And as far as merits or moral strength, the Koran preeches a much more peaceful, charitable, and morally upstanding life than the bible.
Look at both sides, not just the Israeli side.
Headstone: Just out of sheer curiosity, are you religious?
Newsflash: 'god' has little to do with why arabs want to see Israel crushed.
Pull out a dollar bill. Look at the back in the middle. It says "In God We Trust". Make no mistake America beleives in God. Not a muslim god a Christian God. Israel prays to a Christian God even though the semantics may be different we still pray to the same God. Muslims pray to false prophets and thats why they are wrong in whatever aggression they decide to undertake. I dont consider myself iggnorrant as was mentioned earlier. I know that im actually more intelligent than the majority of people who post here. So when I see or read the news I actually see trends that make me beleive this is all about religion.CameronPoe wrote:
Newsflash: 'god' has little to do with why arabs want to see Israel crushed.
America is AGNOSTIC. Seperation of church and state. If America believe in a god, America is, by definition, no longer constitutional. And, if that doesn't mean anything to you, our constitution is the union between our states, if America isnt constitutional, it is no longer America.rawls wrote:
Pull out a dollar bill. Look at the back in the middle. It says "In God We Trust". Make no mistake America beleives in God. Not a muslim god a Christian God. Israel prays to a Christian God even though the semantics may be different we still pray to the same God. Muslims pray to false prophets and thats why they are wrong in whatever aggression they decide to undertake. I dont consider myself iggnorrant as was mentioned earlier. I know that im actually more intelligent than the majority of people who post here. So when I see or read the news I actually see trends that make me beleive this is all about religion.CameronPoe wrote:
Newsflash: 'god' has little to do with why arabs want to see Israel crushed.
Besides, MUSLIMS PRAY TO THE SAME GOD. Just so happens they pray to Mohammad instead of Jesus. You're also disillusional, the thoughts you convey are not intelligent and neither are you.
Uh, they pray to the same God, it's a different branch of the same family. Also, how's about if you argue here you not bring faith into it and declare who's "praying" to false prophets? Unless, of course, you have proof that Christians have it right. That's make you world famous, BTW.
A big collusion of all the Gods is what you all want. Sorry it doesnt work that way. They may have come from the same father but not the same mother. Jesus was legitimat and Muhamed was not. And if I dont spell muhamed right who gives a shit. I know Christians have it right. We have prospered while the muslims have suffered. Those who stopped beleiving in God will soon see their suffering come to bear and Ill say I told you so!
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Did you ACTUALLY read my post?jonsimon wrote:
Okay, for starters HEZBOLLAH IS LEBANNON. Hezbollah has two seperate wings! One is a civillian wing which controls positions in the lebanese parliament as well as provides and runs SCHOOLS HOSPITALS AND NEWS SERVICES. The second wing of hezbollah is the defense wing. This part of hezbollah was founded for the precise reason of DRIVING ISRAEL OUT OF LEBANNON during their occupation from 1920-2000. This is the wing of hezbollah that acts as guerilla freedom fighters and has gained them the branding of terrorists among the US, Canada, the UK, and Israel. No other countries consider hezbollah a terrorist organization, however, the EU (european union) considers their head a terrorist. So, if Israel destroys hezbollah, they MUST DESTROY THE CIVILLIAB POPULACE as well as Lebannons government and the majority of their public services! Israel is waging a war on Lebannon when they wage a war on hezbollah.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Lebanon cannot control hizbollah? Um, here is an idea, ASK FOR HELP UN, US, UK, EU, PRC, Israel ask someone, they do have representation in the UN, and many embassies thoughout Lebanon, don't throw your hands up and say not my problem.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Lebanon cannot control Hezbollah. They do not have the power nor the resources. Not to mention that the indiscriminate killing of Lebanese civilians is probably fostering more hate for Israel, and seeding future terrorism. Israel can and will attack Hezbollah any chance they get. I welcome that. The less terrorist organizations the better. What I do not agree with is the attacking of civilians. They aren't attacking Hezbollah, they are killing innocent people trying to live their life. If they (Israel) must kill Arabs to feel safe, then yes, they are doing what they must.
What about the innocent civilians being killed in Israel, do you disagree if hizbollah had more accurate weaponry the total civilian deaths in Israel would be larger? I'd be willing to wager if they had more accurate weaponry hizbollah would deliberately target civilians. If it's not happening now. I feel that any civilian life lost is precious, but I can assure you Israel is taking more steps to safeguard against killing civilians, than hizbollah.
As far as targeting citizens, the reported rocket strikes in Israel have all been in southern Israel primarily in the port city of Haifa, which is just across the border from the Gaza Strip which is full of OPRESSED PALESTINIANS. Is it more likely the inaccurate rockets came from lebannon ALL the way up north of Israel and someone managed to hit a major port city, or is it more likely the enraged palestinians right next door were firing them?
And how can you compare civillian deaths? Of all the rocket attacks the most any barrage killed was EIGHT PEOPLE. ONLY EIGHT PEOPLE, the majority of the attacks missing entirely. In one week Israel has killed upwards of THREE HUNDRED CIVILIANS. These numbers are not comparable in the least.
They know exactly where the rockets are being fired from. Their advanced weaponry has pinpointed where and they return fire on those locations, however those firing locations just happen to be placed in heavily civilian areas, by hizbollah design, to have more outrage from the world when civilians are killed in the process of destroying those firing positions. There is no guessing involved.
If you had read the post I mentioned that the only reason the civilian death toll in Israel is lower is because hizbollah's weapons are rudementary at best. Also Israel has early warning air raid systems in place so when the rockets do fall they go to the bomb shelters. But I guess that way they protect their citizens is Unfair to you. Take your ball and go home.
They've suffered because Europe has spent the better part of 2 years bringing war to them. Regardless, success is not proof of you being right, merely you being materially superior. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven, no? Therefore, more Muslims ought be getting into heaven than Christians, and they've got it right. I don't think this is true, but until you can offer definitive proof, don't use the fact that they follow a false prophet as evidence of anything.
What are you on about, git?spray_and_pray wrote:
Tell me then man what is the difference if your country gets mortar attacked and if a plane flies into your countries capital buildings? A few more dead people? Does it give America the right to go and perform mass genocide and radiate a huge area killing innocents in a war which has claimed 2000 of their own troops for what? No one feels safer now the chances of a terrorist attack are higher then ever and your president speaks a lot of bull trying to re assure you. I cannot beleive the stupidity of some of the people on here thinking what your country does is right but when another country does the same thing its wrong. Do you know the intentional bombing of civilian targets its used by America? It supposedly decreases moral of the enemy? Does it really? It seems that it just pisses off more people. What you think America was attacked for fun? America has been killing civilians and performing genocide in the area of the middle east for years. I was in the Balkan conflict and i was there during the bombings of Belgrade. Where the US was intentionally bombing civilians and power stations. How can you justify that the War was in Kosovo and the borders between Bosnia and Croatia and Serbia and yet you bomb a city hundreds of kilometres away from the war zone. Bombing bridges to cut supply CAN YOU JUSTIFY THAT? CAN YOU? Bombing of a bus full of civilians? Bombing a power station which is in no way related to the military since the military has generators of its own? Wonder why the US isn't doing jack all cause the US does the same thing. What Israel has done and is doing is nothing different from what the US has done. The US and British were the only ones to drop bombs on civilian targets in the Balkan conflict the Balkan conflict was not an attack on the US but a civil war. You call your army peace keepers? Think about it hypocrites.
Right Forum, Wrong Post. You need a hug?
Wrong thread, actually. Forum is Debate and Serious Talk, thread is Israeli Heavy-Handedness.
I got nothing but love for yea babyIkarti wrote:
Aw Stealth, how you gonna do me like that? You know deep down Israel is out of control, and if you don't believe that you at least gotta believe we have no business dumping all that money and equipment in their country.Stealth42o wrote:
There Jews not Muslims for starters. Yes Israel doesn't take any shit from no one, bless them. In this PC world we live in I like that there is at least one country left you know not to fuck with.delta4bravo*nl* wrote:
Im sick of crazy Muslims, nuke em all.
Lebanon harbors Hezbollah. If they won't take care of the problem, Israel will. A governments first responsibility is to take care of it's citizens. They are doing what they must.
Listen everyone. These people have been fighting over the same shit for thousands of years. And if we are around in another thousand, they will still be fighting over religion, and land. IT WILL NEVER STOP. So stfu and get use to it, or ignore it. Whichever makes you feel more comfy.
We dump money and equipment so when shit really hits the fan we got an Allie that will kick ass and take names in the region. However since we are building a bunch of bases in Iraq. You would think it would decline. It won't though.