H0ly(rap
Member
+10|7287|Nebraska
Hey everyone, I just thought it was time to talk about Avaitors, and what it means to be in the air going 400 MPH.


1.  When you are infintry and you get a bomb dropped on you by a friendy, DONT PUNNISH!!!! there is nothing more irratating to a pilot when s/he goes down to bomb an enemy armored vehicle (tank, APC, mobile AA and soo on) and accidently hits a friendy. Yes we are sorry to kill a friendly but first of all, why are u next to an armored vehicle (unless your c4 ing or laying mines) at all?!   On our bombing screen it does not show  foot soldiers, and it is very hard to justify not killing an armor when the oppurtunity presents itself.  The only thing that shows is friendly armored vehicles or jeeps.  We know how hard and annoying it is to have an armor terrorising you on the ground, trying to either get away from it or flank it, we've all been in that situation. So please please! stop punishing when a friendly bomb happens to lodge itself into your brains then explode.

2.  When you see enemy units (anything bigger then infintry or jeeps) on the ground or in the air PLEASE point them out.  if a pilot is flying by and you point out a target chances are they will come back right away or when they get the chance to, (if the target goes off the minimap RE SITE IT! ) I know when ever I see someone point out something on the ground I will always bomb it immeadeatly or come back when i have bombs.  AND PLEASE WHENEVER YOU SEE AN ENEMY PLANE ESPICALLY  point them out its just something of a cortisey when you are in a dog fight and you can't see the enemy's moves, it just might let the good pilots live longer and possibly make it back to base in one piece. 

3.(for pilots)  when on bombing runs its always good, when you know the general location of an enemy, to go up to at least 150 - 300M and up. I have found its better tho to keep in that general range reason being that you can get almost above the target then go down into a "divebomb."  its usually more accurate then just going at 400 MPH over their heads and dropping a payload, as in the bombs will usually not hit your target (tho sometimes it will hit and destroy the target on your first run.)

4.  If you ever have missles launched at you its always good to go into an up or down spiral, it is harder for the missles to chase you in this action and will not always hit you.  remember the enemy only has 6 heatseaking missles for you, some might already be used up, after 6 you only have to worry about the machine gun and other ground bassed AA turets. 

5.  It is good to always switch between missle mode and bomb mode, be aware of all enemy targets.  also whenever you see a fixed AA gun its good to line up your machine gun and then just fire, even if you dont hit them exactly firing around them usually kills them before they can figure out where u are and fire their measly 2 missles at you which usually miss 1 or both of them.  this way you can usually keep the air clean of ground based missles.  It is very annoying to a pilot when they have a constant beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep of the missle lock warning.  For some pilots this is too much pressure and causes them to leave the area for awhile but for the good ones they will find you and kill you so try and be aware of the kind of pilot your dealing with.

there are always more and better ways to fly and kill while in the air, but alas I am a pilot (not too bad one if i do say so my self)  and, am sorry but, i am not going to give away all my secrets but, you dont need to cheat to be a good pilot, and please don't because fellow players don't like it and it can get you into alot of trouble.


have fun and try out some of these new tactics on servers, (you should probably try unranked ones first and just make servers for your self would also teach you how to handle a jet at high speeds but like I said, just have fun.
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|7191|Home of the Escalade Herds

H0ly(rap wrote:

1.  When you are infintry and you get a bomb dropped on you by a friendy, DONT PUNNISH!!!! there is nothing more irratating to a pilot when s/he goes down to bomb an enemy armored vehicle (tank, APC, mobile AA and soo on) and accidently hits a friendy. Yes we are sorry to kill a friendly but first of all, why are u next to an armored vehicle (unless your c4 ing or laying mines) at all?!
I make it a point to punish most jet tks. Especially bombings. Check your fucking map, you see blue, don't bomb it.
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7410|Reykjavík, Iceland.

PRiMACORD wrote:

H0ly(rap wrote:

1.  When you are infintry and you get a bomb dropped on you by a friendy, DONT PUNNISH!!!! there is nothing more irratating to a pilot when s/he goes down to bomb an enemy armored vehicle (tank, APC, mobile AA and soo on) and accidently hits a friendy. Yes we are sorry to kill a friendly but first of all, why are u next to an armored vehicle (unless your c4 ing or laying mines) at all?!
I make it a point to punish most jet tks. Especially bombings. Check your fucking map, you see blue, don't bomb it.
When you see a glimpse of an enemy vehicle on the your HUD you don't go check the map for friendies, you bomb it straight away.

You are a smacktard and I agree 100% with the original post.
Richard2000
Banned
+39|7112|England
DONT PUNISH pilots
its hard to see u on the the map
Madhadda1
Member
+270|7111|Cedar Rapids, Iowa

PBAsydney wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

H0ly(rap wrote:

1.  When you are infintry and you get a bomb dropped on you by a friendy, DONT PUNNISH!!!! there is nothing more irratating to a pilot when s/he goes down to bomb an enemy armored vehicle (tank, APC, mobile AA and soo on) and accidently hits a friendy. Yes we are sorry to kill a friendly but first of all, why are u next to an armored vehicle (unless your c4 ing or laying mines) at all?!
I make it a point to punish most jet tks. Especially bombings. Check your fucking map, you see blue, don't bomb it.
When you see a glimpse of an enemy vehicle on the your HUD you don't go check the map for friendies, you bomb it straight away.

You are a smacktard and I agree 100% with the original post.
i agree
drug_dealer111
Member
+44|7128|Team America!!!
i just tend to stay on the ground and go c-4 the tanks...but what do i know
|60|Cobalt
Terror in the Skies
+30|7318|Leipzig/Germany

H0ly(rap wrote:

1.  When you are infintry and you get a bomb dropped on you by a friendy, DONT PUNNISH!!!! there is nothing more irratating to a pilot when s/he goes down to bomb an enemy armored vehicle (tank, APC, mobile AA and soo on) and accidently hits a friendy. Yes we are sorry to kill a friendly but first of all, why are u next to an armored vehicle (unless your c4 ing or laying mines) at all?!   On our bombing screen it does not show  foot soldiers, and it is very hard to justify not killing an armor when the oppurtunity presents itself.  The only thing that shows is friendly armored vehicles or jeeps.  We know how hard and annoying it is to have an armor terrorising you on the ground, trying to either get away from it or flank it, we've all been in that situation. So please please! stop punishing when a friendly bomb happens to lodge itself into your brains then explode.
lol - im on your side, but it will never happen - every single time i teamkill someone by accident with a jet they punish - always!
together with the stupids that stand infront of jet it often means "bye bye server" bc of being kicked for tking
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7220

PBAsydney wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

H0ly(rap wrote:

1.  When you are infintry and you get a bomb dropped on you by a friendy, DONT PUNNISH!!!! there is nothing more irratating to a pilot when s/he goes down to bomb an enemy armored vehicle (tank, APC, mobile AA and soo on) and accidently hits a friendy. Yes we are sorry to kill a friendly but first of all, why are u next to an armored vehicle (unless your c4 ing or laying mines) at all?!
I make it a point to punish most jet tks. Especially bombings. Check your fucking map, you see blue, don't bomb it.
When you see a glimpse of an enemy vehicle on the your HUD you don't go check the map for friendies, you bomb it straight away.

You are a smacktard and I agree 100% with the original post.
In my experience, wich is far more than yours, it is very easy to plan ahead and to NOT bomb friendlies. Bomb straight and think ahead, and you will NOT kill friendlies.

As for the rest.. it's all common sense, but that's something that 'aviators' lack since 1.2.
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Phrozenbot
Member
+632|7182|do not disturb

A good enough jet pilot knows where/when to bomb. You would think they would be able to make a smart choice and bomb where no friendlies are around. I don't think it's worth killing 3 or 2 guys and killing one of your own. Just shows how much some pilots value their teammates.

If they don't say sorry, then I'll be tempted to punish. I forgive a lot though.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7116|UK

Hellogoodsir wrote:

I don't think it's worth killing 3 or 2 guys and killing one of your own. Just shows how much some pilots value their teammates.
Couldnt put that better my self
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|7191|Home of the Escalade Herds

Madhadda1 wrote:

PBAsydney wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:


I make it a point to punish most jet tks. Especially bombings. Check your fucking map, you see blue, don't bomb it.
When you see a glimpse of an enemy vehicle on the your HUD you don't go check the map for friendies, you bomb it straight away.

You are a smacktard and I agree 100% with the original post.
i agree
You guys are the true smacktards who don't give a crap about the poor infantry guys down there and how long it took them to get where they are. You just expect to be treated like god and bomb without even attempting to check your map.

Don't take it from me, listen to Sarge. It's not hard, you just don't have enough skill to do it.
H0ly(rap
Member
+10|7287|Nebraska
well first of all i have to say that when your in the air its kinda hard to type "sorry" or go to coma rose and sorry, and second , are u guys talking from your own expirience, as in have you flown before, and are you the "ace" pilots you are talking about? just wondering since you seem to have a very firm stand on your opinion.....
MorbidFetus
Member
+76|7118|Ohio

Bell wrote:

Hellogoodsir wrote:

I don't think it's worth killing 3 or 2 guys and killing one of your own. Just shows how much some pilots value their teammates.
Couldnt put that better my self
There are those times when your teammates are so fucking worthless that you have to take matters into your own hands. This brings to mind one time on Wake when a PLA dude hopped in the tank at North Base (US capped) and preceeded to rape my team while they were trying to defend the flag. After "long enough", I bombed the tank and took out prolly 3 or 4 teammates. I play for the team, not renobs who would sacrific an attack chopper for a flag cap, refuse to attack the airfield when we are losing, or feel like making a infantry push on the last PLA flag (North Base most of the time) when we have 3 jets, 1 attack chopper, artillery, and 2 tanks containing the shit out of the enemy. Walking into a situation like that is like throwing yourself in a meatgrinder. Infantry should stay back and be happy with the points the already accumulated. If my bomb kills you because you wanted an extra 2 points by running headfirst into the entire enemy team, it's your fucking bad.

Hey, I'm not the best pilot in the world but I don't get this logic from the "aces" that it's so laxydaisy (sp?) 100% of the time that you can make a slow, low pass to check for blue names, consult your mini-map, make a few circles and assess the situation like it's the business section of the morning paper, and then decide if you should release ordinance. Shit happens, sometimes friendlies die. But it's more fucked up when you're something like 29-1 in a jet and a teammate punishes because you clipped him.

Also, you can't tell me that you do not continuously try and improve upon your close air support. Bringing it in close, sometimes real close, puts your team at a greater risk. It's necessary in certain situations and further hones your skills as a pilot. But if you pull it off and take out 2-3 enemies without any tk's, those kills could be the most satisfying of the entire round. A little fighter jock ego kick if you will.

Long story short, don't punish good pilots. Your death is trivial compared to the team effort.

H0ly(rap wrote:

2.  When you see enemy units (anything bigger then infintry or jeeps) on the ground or in the air PLEASE point them out.  if a pilot is flying by and you point out a target chances are they will come back right away or when they get the chance to, (if the target goes off the minimap RE SITE IT! ) I know when ever I see someone point out something on the ground I will always bomb it immeadeatly or come back when i have bombs.  AND PLEASE WHENEVER YOU SEE AN ENEMY PLANE ESPICALLY  point them out its just something of a cortisey when you are in a dog fight and you can't see the enemy's moves, it just might let the good pilots live longer and possibly make it back to base in one piece.
+2 (if it was possible)

Last edited by MorbidFetus (2006-07-25 03:33:08)

H0ly(rap
Member
+10|7287|Nebraska
bravo and thx i like how u put that into text and thx for the support morbidfetus, but thats exactly what i mean. and also after playing this weekend ive got another thing to add.

6. when you see someone waiting for a jet or chopper, don't just go over there and press "e" like your jerking off just to take it from the other guy, wait your turn , youll find its alot nicer to have that happen to you.

7. don't spawn as a sniper w/ your .50 cal and if you dont get your jet or heli snipe him out. that pisses me off sooooo much, as well as all you other guys im sure, and if you don't get it, GET OUT OF THE FREKIN FLIGHT PATH!  dont just stand there and wait for them to run you over so you can team punish them just frekin wait untill they die, chances are they suck at piliting anyways. 

so pretty much the moral of this story is be polite and treat everyone else like you would want to be treated.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7116|UK

lol see how naive some guys are, don't kid your self, people want point's, medals and badges.  Heck that is why you go on a jet to rack up more point's quicklly, in your flying death machine, you often hear people whine about there is no sence of team work in this game.  Anyone who plays, play for the fun yes, but more so the point's, and IF for some bizare reason u have a squad, or any 2-3 random players joining up to make an offensive on an enemey base, and your careless enough to drop you bombs, to hell with ya. 

The gent who specified

'Infantry should stay back and be happy with the points the already accumulated. If my bomb kills you because you wanted an extra 2 points by running headfirst into the entire enemy team, it's your fucking bad'.

The Thing that are wrong with that,

1.Infantry should be happy with already accumulated points?  Are you drunk sir, who the hell plays a round of this game, and suddenly says to them self, you know what, yeah I have enough point's to do me, I will just sit here and let captain American over their farm the point's.  Naive fantasy my friend, he on the ground is every bit point hungry as you are, enemy is infront of him, ergo points are that way, ergo he goes that way.  Who knows, perhaps he has his pkm, and i'll tell u, you can surprise a few guys waiting on their vehicle with that thing and rain hell on them, case in point, parachute from bh to airfield on wake, landed in the tree's, a good 8 of em sitting on the heli pad, BANG dead.

2.  What do you expect your infantry team mates to do?  There on to have fun and get them self some point's, anyone whos a ground pounder, untill they reach the serg majour, there striving to get all those guns, to help do their thing easier.  They cant do that if they need to sit there smoking a joint while u ejaculate all over the enemy base.

3.  I dont actually think it is their bad, yes I can see what you are saying, if there is a lot of enemies and a team mate just runs madly into them and he get's himself killed by your bombs when we all know he is going to die anyway, yet punishes you.  I can definetly identify with you there, to an extent serves the bastard right, however you have to do the thinking for your players at times.

Punishers are 90% of our beloved battlefield 2 community, IF getting a punish burns you up to much, then i'm afraid your just gonna have to tidy up your bombing, and only get the guys a distance from the fighting.

I my self before going for the bombing run will check the map, Id how many of my guys are in the area, usually at this point there is UAV up so i can see where the enmies are (this in the typical infantry battles you see at beach and south base on wake) and descide if it is worth the risk of bombing.

It really is a no brainer, if there are 2 enmey and a friendly, bomb them yea, but you wont gain a point, survey the pros and cons of your action and you will definetly clock up high scores with minimum tk's.

Cheerio

Last edited by Bell (2006-07-24 14:49:27)

H0ly(rap
Member
+10|7287|Nebraska
well, u obvousily arnt a hard core pilot now are u, (dont answer)
MorbidFetus
Member
+76|7118|Ohio

Bell wrote:

1.Infantry should be happy with already accumulated points?
In situations where jets are pummeling a flag over and over, then yes. Consider it this way: would you take a shopping cart against a semi in a demolition derby? No, you wouldn't. So why do you run into a hot area?

Bell wrote:

I my self before going for the bombing run will check the map, Id how many of my guys are in the area, usually at this point there is UAV up so i can see where the enmies are (this in the typical infantry battles you see at beach and south base on wake) and descide if it is worth the risk of bombing.
For the most part, so do I. But you can't tell me you've never been on a good strak and some ass punished you because you clipped him by mistake.

Last edited by MorbidFetus (2006-07-25 03:41:37)

_-_911_-_180891
Member
+540|7069|Shanghai, ethnicity=German
I'm Richard...vIf you are in a plane the ppl are so tiny you can't see them **
Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7386
a pilot's tk is still a tk. you aren't above being punished just because you got lucky and snagged the j-10.

i don't automatically punish any tk, but if i worked my ass off evading a tank, tricking him, flanking him, and then manage to put my c4 on it, i don't need some blind-ass pilot to come in, steal my kill, and kill me in the process. you bet you'll be getting punished for that.

i am a pilot myself. i rarely tk in a jet. it's not hard to avoid bombing friendlies, stop dropping bombs indiscriminantly on anything that moves.

Last edited by Krappyappy (2006-07-25 05:18:40)

Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7220
There is no excuse: If you bombed a friendly, you weren't paying attention. It's as simple as that.
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Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7116|UK

H0ly(rap wrote:

well, u obvousily arnt a hard core pilot now are u, (dont answer)
lol almost ashamed to say, most of my points are from plane whoring, and indeed so are most of my tk's, but then as we all know, the majority of tk's you get in a plane are not mid flight, there on take off.

And also

'For the most part, so do I. But you can't tell me you've never been on a good strak and some ass punished you because you clipped him by mistake'.

Yea true enough, but it is amazing how much you can cut that down if you are a bit restrained in your bombing run's.


Cya

Last edited by Bell (2006-07-25 07:10:38)

Jasp
Bongabilla
+171|7229|The Outer Circle

H0ly(rap wrote:

1.  When you are infintry

H0ly(rap wrote:

chances are they suck at piliting anyways.
Spelling 4tw! I like it! lolz
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EvilJebus
Member
+11|7191

PBAsydney wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

H0ly(rap wrote:

1.  When you are infintry and you get a bomb dropped on you by a friendy, DONT PUNNISH!!!! there is nothing more irratating to a pilot when s/he goes down to bomb an enemy armored vehicle (tank, APC, mobile AA and soo on) and accidently hits a friendy. Yes we are sorry to kill a friendly but first of all, why are u next to an armored vehicle (unless your c4 ing or laying mines) at all?!
I make it a point to punish most jet tks. Especially bombings. Check your fucking map, you see blue, don't bomb it.
When you see a glimpse of an enemy vehicle on the your HUD you don't go check the map for friendies, you bomb it straight away.

You are a smacktard and I agree 100% with the original post.
That's why you get punished dumbshit, don't bomb friendlies it's on your fucking map. Last time I check foot soldiers had C4, AT mines, and AT rockets. What your saying is more or less "There a friendly between me and the bad guy, so I hold the fire button down until they're both dead". If I ever see you in a server, I'll punish you every time.
Reject_Wolf
Former Karkand Addict
+32|7149
Okay, I am a mediocre pilot and will only use a jet if I feel I help my team with it (if I see/know of an ace pilot, I will give it to them rather than have me use it.)  I also always check my minimap before a bomb run because there is no point in losing tickets for my team and I hate it when it happens to me.  Sometimes I will punish, and sometime I will not.  Like if there is four tanks in front of me, and I am gonna die anyway, and they take out the tanks and me as well, that is a good thing.  But if it is a careless bombing run where they are parallel to the ground and the bomb over shoots the target by a 100m, then I will punish because I don't want an idiot like that driving a plane.

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