question about sf

2005-11-23 08:37:19

#1

Christen[30AU]: Attain By Surprise; +41|7023|Oregon, USA

hey i have a question. when you install special forces, and then patch it, does that mean that you can play normal maps with all the new stuff in the kits? like flash bangs, grappling hooks, ziplines, teargas, etc.? in otherwords i guess i am asking if the games are spliced together, so you can play with the new stuff on the regular game?

any helpful answer to this would be good.

2005-11-23 08:56:00

#2

DrewH: Member; +0|7104

As far as I can tell from what people have posted and what some of my friends have stated, the games are spliced together in a half-assed fashion.

BF2 now has second tier unlocks from Special forces that allow you to use the new SF kits. The 1.12 patch modified BF2 to make these changes. The patch also allows someone without BF2 to pick up SF kits. The patch also allows someone without SF to obtain the second tier unlocks. Apparently you can borrow a friends PC and game, log in as yourself and unlock the weapons. When you go back to BF2, you can now get the second tier unlocks.

I say half-assed because the SF maps will only be available on SF servers. So even though you can play with the weapons on both games, you can't get the map rotation going. That's a shame.

2005-11-23 09:02:27

#3

ronin1942: Member; +-1|7104

this in an expantion not a pach it has the most integration ive seen in a fps. yes you can play w/ new stuff on bf2 core games as long as you have unlocked the kit wepons i have the flash bang and i cant wait to use it on karkand:)

2005-11-23 09:37:13

#4

Christen[30AU]: Attain By Surprise; +41|7023|Oregon, USA

can you use the zipline and grapp hook?

2005-11-23 10:05:32

#5

Buzerk1: Member; +44|7097

77thMEU|Christensen wrote:
can you use the zipline and grapp hook?

Last night after installing SF and patch 1.12.

Played on Karkan, you have the unlocks, but zipline and grap hook are not available. May be in future patches or unlocks.

Last edited by Buzerk1 (2005-11-23 10:09:29)

2005-11-23 10:15:05

#6

Christen[30AU]: Attain By Surprise; +41|7023|Oregon, USA

thats totally fine with me, i was just wondering

2005-11-23 10:18:58

#7

-I4nI- Jaiden: Member; +0|6996|Las Vegas

NONONO. the gameplay between BF2 and SF is intentionally seperated. that's why you have to run a seperate server to play in the SF maps. If you noticed, the SF unlocks are only available in BF2 core. These same weapons are available as STOCK weapons in SF for the SEALs and the SAS. There will be no grapling hooks or ziplines in BF2 core because the maps arent designed for them, they were meant for the SF maps. I belive the only reason why they added SF unlocks to the BF2 core game was because they wanted to give SF owners some incentive to play the original game again.

2005-11-23 10:21:47

#8

Christen[30AU]: Attain By Surprise; +41|7023|Oregon, USA

ah ok, thats good to. ill figure it out once i get the game and install. thanks.

2005-11-23 10:23:24

#9

dshak: Member; +4|7074

I tried today,

the new weapon unlocks are all there, though they really aren't that great (mostly a bunch of rifles from the G36 family)

You can't use flash bangs, gas, or hooks/zips in the old maps, but this makes perfect sense to me and I don't think you should be able to, these are weapons equipped by SPECIAL FORCES units not the standard soldiers.

As for the half ass integration comment, I don't really get that at all... its EXTREMELY well integrated into the regular game, one of the best jobs of adding an expansion pack I've ever seen. All the paranoid wories about losing ranks, stats, being able to play old maps, etc... all gone.

The ONLY two problems I have is - when joining an old map server it actually closes BF2SF down and automatically restarts BF2, not a big deal but kind of an annoyance, and the loading and wait times on the new maps were ATROCIOUS last night, I even got kicked a few times for idling while verifying client data, but people tell me that was just because the servers were just put up and hadn't started functioning right? I wouldn't know, I don't know jack about computers. I had wicked lag in the 64 players maps, played great with 32 or less.

2005-11-23 10:31:02

#10

Paladus902: The Last Man Standing; +1|7047

Im still waiting to get my copy, probably a couple of days at best, but I think I prefer waiting by the sounds of it, as hopefully most servers will be updated and fully running by that time.

2005-11-23 10:39:58

#11

[1stSSF]=Nuka=: Banned; +23|7011|PDX Metro Area, OR, US, SOL

dshak wrote:
You can't use flash bangs, gas, or hooks/zips in the old maps, but this makes perfect sense to me and I don't think you should be able to, these are weapons equipped by SPECIAL FORCES units not the standard soldiers.

Umm...perhaps you aren't aware of the patch? I experienced flash-bangs on Wake, even though I don't have SF. Fortunately, it was a teammate doing it for fun as we'd completely shut down the USMC and were bored...

2005-11-23 10:42:08

#12

dshak: Member; +4|7074

I installed the patch and just 5 minutes after reading your post I went online for the specific purpose to see if you were right about that... let me try... AGAIN....

and how did you experience it on wake? if someone had the flash bangs and you don't even have SF then you you would have been playing two different game versions wouldn't you?

2005-11-23 10:50:03

#13

-TAC^Opie-: Member; +2|7067

Flashbangs do come over to the standard BF2 maps, once you've unlocked the SF Assault kit. If you don't have the SF expansion, you can still play with them if you grab the kit of a dead SF Assaulter.

Last edited by -TAC^Opie- (2005-11-23 10:50:59)

2005-11-23 10:52:09

#14

dshak: Member; +4|7074

okay, my apologies, I could use the flashbangs on wake... it apparently replaced the smoke grenade? I tried to use zips and hooks on kubra and they weren't available, but the flash bangs were on wake. interesting.

also, I think this will be the begining of the end of some maps like karkand... haha... I garuntee while in close firefights I'll be blinded constantly by people winging those things, and I also garuntee more than half the time they will be people on my own team. last night while trying SF I came to realize people like to play with their new toys, and don't udnerstand at all that that kind of weapon needs to be tossed into a room YOU ARE NOT IN or you will blind yourself to.

on a side note, I had my computer hooked into my 50 inch plasma TV last night... was playing a night map, and got "flsh banged" while I had my night scope on.... swear to god it nearly burned my retinas out.

2005-11-23 12:04:25

#15

Christen[30AU]: Attain By Surprise; +41|7023|Oregon, USA

lol that would be quite interesting. ya this sounds like fun. cant wait to get my game. and no, i dont give a shit what those whinners talk about bf2. i personally dont like teh glitches, but i dont complain about it. bf2 is a fun game to me, and n othing anyone says is gonna change my opinion

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