Horseman 77
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MightyBobo wrote:

CANADIAN_rocker wrote:

awwww mmaaann. Thats cool that ur a pilot and the F-15 Eagle is my favorete Jet besides the F-22 Raptor and F-18 Hornet or Superhornet. There is only 1 problem that i hate, i wont get my haircut!! I wanna join air cadets but i wont get my haircut! Gah! I just dont kno what people would think about me lol .. i need cofadence
Ive been in the Active Duty AF for 3 years now.  Not a pilot, no - nothing more than an enlisted desk jockey (computer programmer at Offutt AFB, NE).  However, having a love for flying all my life I can confidently give you the answer of, that its both intelligence and innate skill over time.  The fine mix of the 2 is the sweet spot, Im sure.

As for you, Canadian.  Im sure the Canadian Air Force is no different than the USAF is in its officer requirements.  You must have a Bachelor's degree from college before you can become an officer.  So yes, in general, you must have "good" grades, at least.  By the way, the gentleman above said he works on the Simulator's for the F-15 at Eglin - not a pilot.  Or, at least thats what I gathered.  Without trying to be insulting, Im not sure how old you are or what grade you are in...but if you're mispelling "confidence", "favorite" and others...you might want to sit back and really take a look at your current education situation.  If you're in high school, or even middle school, it might be a sign for you to really buckle down and focus on what you need to become a pilot, and your education is paramount to that.  Becomming a pilot is no easy task, thats for sure.  Not only do you need the mental education, but you need the physical conditioning also.  Do you have bad vision at all?  If so you will most likely need laser corrective surgery before anything could happen, and even that might not solve the problem.

Sorry for derailing, I just kept reading his posts and felt I might as well give my .02 on what he (or anyone else interested, for that matter) should begin doing if they want to become a pilot.
Perseverance man, many successful people failed at many things before they made it. Un rewarded genius is almost a proverb. If your smart and Stick with it, that's 90%. The Reason I thought this post was kinda Funny is I thought it was universally know that The U.S. Air Force and I am sure Canada's Too only Takes the Best they have As pilots and the cream of that for Fighter Slots.

and The REALLY SUPER SMART ONES they make Gym teachers.
Horseman 77
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Kniero wrote:

Kniero wrote:

To simply generalize that one who flies a jet is a "fast thinker" or "smart" is naive. Anyone can be taught to learn and repeat basic input functions as long as the educative process caters to the varying levels of redundacy required for comprehension. As previously mentioned by Nipr, all pilots are trained in a method as to reinforce sufficient reflexes into their psyche on top of being fed the run-of-the-mill "flair" type of know-how surrounding the most critical of situations. What makes an excellent ace is not the intellectual attribute of "genius", but cunning resourcefulness.

B3ePl3nEs5,
Kniero
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Kniero wrote:

To me, your response seems to be just a partial offense to my saying that not all fighter pilots are "fast thinkers" or "smart". Truly though, when I speak of these terms, I speak of them in very high degrees. When you have the survival reflexes built into your mindframe, there is little intellect has to do with flying capability. I do feel that how I've spoken of this topic in my initial response to this thread is quite apt. Military requirements aren't the highest when it comes to logical intellect.
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Horseman 77 wrote:

kniero states, " Military requirements aren't the highest when it comes to logical intellect. "

I always think, particularly in online FPS you should talk like someone is standing in front of you.

Imagine you are at the gym a  playing field, Bar ,subway etc
Is there some sort of reason that you like to talk in a 3rd person perspective? For one, it sure doesn't help clarify your stance nor your image, especially when written in an approach as hashed as yours. Truly though, your belief in this post just reinforces the fact that you probably focus on the superficial a tad too much. Regardless, you apparently did not respond to my entries in this thread at all. To me, replying without rebuttal signifies agreement.

Granting your odd tendencies, anyone here could surely see the "tough", arrogant, and superficial air about you. You fail to realize that in the "real, live" world, the behavioral facets of people are often guised with that which is only immediately apparent. Thus the significance placed in an ability to reason on an academic, persuasive level. Also, I would also like to point out that assuming "insults" are made due to a fault in the offender is ingenuous at best.

Is it just me, or does it seem that you are trying to intimidate me into thinking that were I to say the things I say now in front of your face, you would "do something about it"? Truly, I view you only as a simpleton.

Horseman 77 wrote:

Horseman thinks some have Strayed of the topic as  Cessna's are not Super Sonic Fighter Jets. In fact they are worlds apart. But Horseman was Correct. All the Sources from people in the Professions, Authors and Publications on the Topic Back him. He always Thought Calling a Fighter Jet Pilot an Imbecile  / Moron was Ridiculous and Was surprised when he was asked to Responded to it, As its was little more than name calling. Luckily the USA is not Run by the Loudest Voice or This Weeks popular chant.

Here is a thread from some one who actually flew the thing.
all though you might want to here from others.

http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Artic … istory.htm
 
  Horseman Here and Else where always encourages others to Speak to each other as if they were face  to face. It seems weak at best to insult within the safety of the Internet's anonymity.  He also Finds it amusing that all though he works in NYC, Frequently Travels in Harlem and the Bronx at all hours, He is only insulted on the Internet.

He has the sneaking suspicion that the ability to remain hidden and safe Emboldens some who some how in there own world feel  "lacking " ?

He also feels a new post coming on
To say that it is "ridiculous" to describe a previous fighter-jet "pilot" is of utmost ignorance when specific circumstance isn't considered. Clearly, you have either somehow avoided or forgotten this section of the topic. Who is to say he actually flew ritualistically? As they say, he (your admired George W. Bush) was AWOL for quite some lengths of time, despite drug abuse as well. As everyone has wholesomely and completely agreed that your academically average Joe could learn to fly (any) plane, it is common sense that it is the cunning resourcefulness which brings a pilot to the esteemed "elite" status. Your acclaimed president lacks in every aspect which requires the description of "ace". Moreover, it would be prudent to say the country is fortunate enough to have a Commander-in-Chief who can properly form a thoroughly supported, logical rebuttal to arguments that come his way.* Oh...wait a second; my bad, I thought it was 1996.

But really, the discrepancy lies in the last phrasing of your second purported opinion of "the fighter-jet pilot". Very evidently, you write "You can not call a Living Jet Pilot Dumb." This may be true, but to set aside the applicable conditions would be foolhardy. The portion of that last sentence, "...a Living Jet Pilot..." asserts that this person would need to still be enrolled as a pilot, besides, of course, being alive. At the time, G.W.B. could have had some fragment of intellect buried deep within, but tell-tale accounts of his behavior could very well explain the lapse in intelligence we all see today. Though, by saying that, I am not saying that I agree, but simply that it could have been one avenue G.W.B. may have went down. It could very well be that he had always been a mediocre-minded man, but until accuracies are developed, the particulars can't be judged. Though, we all do in fact know that G.W.B. is, presently, a dolt.

Yo's Tr0oL3h,
Kniero

* Sarcastic allusion (to Horseman 77) present
Some one is Cranky,  BED TIME FOR YOU.
Kniero
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And to all who may come across this thread, the sad fact is that Horseman 77 has already reached the ripe old age of 40.
Horseman 77
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Didn't I tell you it was BEDTIME 20 minutes ago?
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Kniero Writes

To say that it is "ridiculous" to describe a previous  utmost ignorance when specific circumstance isn't considered. Clearly, you have either somehow avoided or forgotten Who is to say he actually flew ritualistically? As they say, he (your admired George W. Bush) was for quite some lengths of time, despite drug abuse as well. As everyone has wholesomely and completely agreed that your academically average Joe could learn it is common sense that it is the cunning resourcefulness which brings to the esteemed "elite" status. Your acclaimed lacks in every aspect which requires the description of "ace". Moreover, it would be prudent to say the country is fortunate enough to have a Commander-in-Chief who can properly form a thoroughly supported, logical rebuttal to arguments that come his way But really, the discrepancy lies in the last phrasing of your second purported opinion of  Very evidently, you write  This may be true, but to set aside the applicable conditions would be foolhardy. The portion of that last sentence asserts that this person would need to still be enrolled besides, of course had some fragment of intellect buried deep within, but tell-tale accounts of his behavior could very well explain the lapse in intelligence we all see today. Though, by saying that, I am not saying that I agree, but simply that it could have been one avenue  may have went down. It could very well be that he had always been a mediocre but until accuracies are developed, the particulars can't be judged presently,


What Blather,    KID GO TO BED
Horseman 77
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dshak wrote:

Ug,

the reason he posted this was because he was defending George Bush's intelligence. Its false logic and not applicable. The ability to think fast while operating a machine is entirely different from the ability to think fast when making decisions in other environments.

ONE MORE TIME I will point out the fact that what this particular fighter was most noted for was its easy flight and sophisticated AUTOPILOT system. And thats not an opinion of mine, but instead the opinion of the USAF as clearly estalished on their own AF Museum web site. If you don't believe me look in the original post, where this debate should have stayed. sigh.

I am NOT getting back into this... I SWEAR
Its my post.
Guille
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CANADIAN_rocker wrote:

My uncle, dad, and granda are all fighter pilots for Canada and yes pilots are vary smart and i will be one when im older. And jets is my favorette thing on earth and i can name almost every jet in the US, Canada, Russia, Japan ect. You have to try hard and be mentaly and phisicaly smart. I think you must have good grades and go2 Univercity.
then you might want to clean up your english a bit... lol im just kidding, you left this wide open!!!
Horseman 77
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Just a thought, Even When I get on an Airliner The Pilot & Co Pilot have an Air of Confedence and Compitance
blacksheepcannibal
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on the topic as it is read:

i maintained the avionics systems of an F-15E for 4 years. i also have spent a great deal of time looking into fighter tactics, etc, and im an avid fighter-sim pilot. as in Jane's, LOMAC, and F-16, the sims that have manuals that are thicker than the game boxes. that should give me some background, because im not sure how many here actually have been in the cockpit of a fighter jet. im not even really going to mention other planes. i will, however, correct : it takes 5 kills to be an "ace". there has not been a single US "ace" since vietnam. Israel, actually, has the best fighter pilots in the world. one on one, in similar jets, Israel will shoot down US, and there are many cases of this happening in mock fights (read: Red Flag). also, all pilots are officers; not all pilots command. those that do are simply the leaders of their wing.

A *modern* fighter pilot has to be able to multi-task, think quickly, react quickly, and not in just an automated system; there is no training a monkey to be a fighter pilot. its like saying you can train somebody to be a good boxer. yeah, sure, the more training you get the better, but there is inheirant talent there as well.

I'll tell you it takes quite a bit just knowing how to use the systems. just imagine trying to use your computer with no mouse. just keyboard shortcuts. and no guide, either. no cheating by pulling down the menu to see just what Alt+A does.

in reference to Bush being a pilot...if you were pres, would you want your son being a grunt? a ground officer? or a pilot, in the guard, in a unit populated completely by the social elite (senators sons, rockefellers sons, etc)? bush never would have seen combat, and if he had, it would have been the high-profile no/lo-risk missions. he was never trained as a real jet pilot; he was baby-sat.
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I allways suspected this, Do you have any documentation? do you know someone who was there with him?
It seems like The Elite get just close to get there Photo op.  a 4 month combat tour, etc.

reference to Bush being a pilot...if you were pres, would you want your son being a grunt? a ground officer? or a pilot, in the guard, in a unit populated completely by the social elite (senators sons, rockefellers sons, etc)? bush never would have seen combat, and if he had, it would have been the high-profile no/lo-risk missions. he was never trained as a real jet pilot; he was baby-sat.
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Who the hell has the balls to suggest the first opinion? Not only does it take a high level of intelligence to learn to fly these aircraft but it takes an ability to multitask rivaled only by air traffic controllers and others in such stressful positions.

Plus, every combat pilot for the Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force is a college graduate. There is no way around that requirement.
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K, kind of off-topic, but does it not bug anyone else that Horseman 77 constantly capitalizes random words and misspells everything? I'unno, but to me...he just comes off as such a blumbering idiot.
THA
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Kniero wrote:

K, kind of off-topic, but does it not bug anyone else that Horseman 77 constantly capitalizes random words and misspells everything? I'unno, but to me...he just comes off as such a blumbering idiot.
i'unno???

maybe check your own spelling a bit more before posting
THA
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Horseman 77 wrote:

I allways suspected this, Do you have any documentation? do you know someone who was there with him?
It seems like The Elite get just close to get there Photo op.  a 4 month combat tour, etc.

reference to Bush being a pilot...if you were pres, would you want your son being a grunt? a ground officer? or a pilot, in the guard, in a unit populated completely by the social elite (senators sons, rockefellers sons, etc)? bush never would have seen combat, and if he had, it would have been the high-profile no/lo-risk missions. he was never trained as a real jet pilot; he was baby-sat.
bush senior was pres long time after jnr was a pilot.
VirtuaLResistancE
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Horseman 77 wrote:

ON  JET FIGHTER PILOTS

Opinion one States...

     " learning to fly an aircraft is a skill set, just like teaching a circus monkey to juggle, though I'll be it a more complicated skills set "

Opinion two States...


     " Learning to fly that thing proves you are smart, a fast thinker, have your Shit together Etc. You can not call a Living Jet Pilot Dumb. "


Make your opinions felt draw your own conclusions and post your thoughts or Expirences.

I would like to here it.

Online
Here is your “online" reply. I will not be calling you on your cell phone or meeting you out at Starbucks.

Quick version: I think both opinions, as given, are not true or correct.

Re: Opinion one: It takes a certain aptitude to learn such a complicated set of skills.

Re: Opinion two: Just because you can fly an aircraft does not mean you can do other things that are simpler in nature.

Last edited by VirtuaLResistancE (2005-11-22 23:53:42)

Kniero
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the_heart_attack wrote:

Kniero wrote:

K, kind of off-topic, but does it not bug anyone else that Horseman 77 constantly capitalizes random words and misspells everything? I'unno, but to me...he just comes off as such a blumbering idiot.
i'unno???

maybe check your own spelling a bit more before posting
LOL - You're comparing my slang to Horseman's clear lack of logical aptitude? Goes to show ya' something about yourself, lmfao.
THA
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Kniero wrote:

the_heart_attack wrote:

Kniero wrote:

K, kind of off-topic, but does it not bug anyone else that Horseman 77 constantly capitalizes random words and misspells everything? I'unno, but to me...he just comes off as such a blumbering idiot.
i'unno???

maybe check your own spelling a bit more before posting
LOL - You're comparing my slang to Horseman's clear lack of logical aptitude? Goes to show ya' something about yourself, lmfao.
ok i agree the capitals are fucking annoying but are you sure you didnt mean to say i'dunno?
Horseman 77
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the_heart_attack wrote:

Kniero wrote:

the_heart_attack wrote:


i'unno???

maybe check your own spelling a bit more before posting
LOL - You're comparing my slang to Horseman's clear lack of logical aptitude? Goes to show ya' something about yourself, lmfao.
ok i agree the capitals are fucking annoying but are you sure you didnt mean to say i'dunno?
Wait Check knienro's   Balls and ! OOPS none there !
THA
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Horseman 77 wrote:

the_heart_attack wrote:

Kniero wrote:


LOL - You're comparing my slang to Horseman's clear lack of logical aptitude? Goes to show ya' something about yourself, lmfao.
ok i agree the capitals are fucking annoying but are you sure you didnt mean to say i'dunno?
Wait Check knienro's   Balls and ! OOPS none there !
are you sledging me or him?
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Him , Kneiro is a General pest OMG Caps, ! lol
THA
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Horseman 77 wrote:

Him , Kneiro is a General pest OMG Caps, ! lol
he just he sits there trying to get people worked up, little does he know everyone just thinks he's an ass clown.
Horseman 77
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ps The heart attack,  My girlfriends Little boy thinks you Have a Smokin "GTA Vice city Motorbike" Kik ass Dogs and Cool Truck
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Re: Opinion one: It takes a certain aptitude to learn such a complicated set of skills.

Re: Opinion two: Just because you can fly an aircraft does not mean you can do other things that are simpler in nature.

I agree with the first, but the latter? If you can do something complex, would it not stand to reason you could do something simple?

And Here Are Some Caps For Kneiro OK Dk Hugger, " My slang shows style and panache. "
VirtuaLResistancE
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Horseman 77 wrote:

I agree with the first, but the latter? If you can do something complex, would it not stand to reason you could do something simple?
Not necessarily, IMO... just because someone might be smart "on paper" or by something they can do doesnt mean they that they have "common sense"....

Ya know Vaaat I'm saying, comrade?

Now I must sleep, please wake me when its time to go home.

Last edited by VirtuaLResistancE (2005-11-26 01:36:04)

Absinthe
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well, my thought :
The art of flying a fighter jet in the midst of a dogfight IS the most demanding "job" ever !
**sooooo** many things are changing soooooooo fast, you got to be made of the right stuff.. Thats why almost 70% (or even more) of the Astronauts are former fighter pilots.

To teach it and some will be able to fly it ? yes. I think I can handle the basics of an F16 myself.. I'm playin Falcon 4 from the time it was 3.. and I know a thing or two about the plane. To be able to engane in a dogfight ? If someone will teach me, sure I will be able to, but I wont last for long..
Flying the Falcon 4 is 99.9% the real thing. It only lacks the "G" effects and the actual reallity thingy..

Last edited by Absinthe (2005-11-28 20:36:17)

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