BF2S Forums Best Carry Handgun Caliber Ever???

blisteringsilence wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

Oh Ok you meant discharge, as it is impossible for a Glock to Misfire.  If you pull the trigger, inadvertantly or not, it will fire.

Unless of course it has bad ammo.

Dude, I personally have treated 2 people who tried to make their glocks full auto by filing down the sear, and then shot themselves. Misfires will happen as ling as there are stupid people.

Agreed, I forgot the 'Darwin Theory' of evolution.  Weeding out of the dumb.

blisteringsilence wrote:

1. Glock does not have a longer service life. The slide needs replaced long before a sig, when it comes to rounds fired That's one of the big reasons its cheaper, and lost the contract with the military in the 80's.

From my understanding, the Glocks involved in the Army test in the 80s were Gen 0.  Meaning, the original, bugged, version.  These had not yet been made accurate, hence the dismissal from the test. 
Outside of the spring-guide rod, i have never heard of a Glock needing replacement parts.  Also, on some SIGs(not in general, more a run between dates X and Y) the frame had tendencies to crack after usage. 
On a curiousity note, what's the # of round between the two?

blisteringsilence wrote:

2. The AD's/Misfires's I was referring to did not involve a finger on a trigger, the trigger got caught on the retention lock in the holster and was released.... call it what you want, I just call it not safe. Additionally, most civillian-used concealed carry rigs don't feature a strap or guard that covers the trigger/trigger guard, meaning that anything that gets caught up in there will cause an AD.

I apologize for assuming you meant finger-on-trigger ADs, but that is the most common.
I've never seen a concealed carry holster w/o something that covers the trigger, whether it's the body of the holster or whatever.  If you are also referring to the venerable 'fanny-pack' rig, then no, a Glock is not a good idea for those.  In that case, the firearm has to have a manual safety(1911) or a heavy trigger(Sig)

blisteringsilence wrote:

3. Sigs should not ever be carried in condition 1. When you are in condition 2, there is no way for a drop to cause an AD, as there is a firing pin block tied into the hammer mechanism that prevents firing pin movement unless the hammer is pulled back to the release point. And anyone who carries a sig knows that it is infinitly easier to use the decocking lever than to release the hammer with your trigger finger and thumb.

Well, darwinism factors in on that a little, some people are dumb, and won't use the decocker.  The condition 2 situation is, that the hammer is fully cocked back, and then lowered in the same manner in is during live-fire.  Meaning, you pull the trigger and release it, so everything is done the same as firing it.  The hammer is then lowered past the safe point assumed when using the decocker.  Whether this presents a danger in Sigs, i don't know, never tried it.  It was a point made in regards to DA/SA guns like the Sig. 

blisteringsilence wrote:

....reminds me of the p.o.s. USP I used to have. God, that was a piece of shit.

The trigger pull or the gun in general?  Just wondering since my buddy had a USP45 Compact that shot like crap(couldn't hold a descent pattern at all) and another had a P2000 .40S&W with the same problem.  I, however, had a USP 9mm Expert that was the best waste of money ever....Shot like a dream, etc, just too damn big to carry or do anything other than range work.  I'm trying to get more feedback on these to determine if i want to try one out for myself.  Some people say that HK is the greatest thing on Earth, other have no opinion.....unfortunately that is a little too one sided to be realistic, so.....

this thread does, however, make me wish i hadn't disposed of my Sig P229...    ....had it w/ both barrels, just never shot it or carried it, miss it tho.

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Voted "other"  .25acp Walther PPK FTW..... good enough for James Bond good enough for me
Personally own:
Beretta 92D "Centurion" 9mm DA only
S&W 39-2 9mm SA/DA
Ruger "Speed Six" .357 Magnum

of mine the S&W is a good concealed carry  weapon it is a 9 shot single stacker so it is not too bulky to wear

My next hand gun will be a Sig .40 auto ...that is one of the "sweetest"  pistols I have ever pointed down range.

I used to have a rig like the last one for a little 5shot snubby .357 SW.  I couldn't stand the upper part(garter i guess you called it?), but without it, the snubby flopped around a bit.  Most comfortable BUG i've found to carry is the KelTec .380ACPs.  They fit in the pocket, are reliable(meaning they'll shoot even with lint and crap in 'em from the pocket) and have enough power to get the job done.  Of course, they are more of a OS close range weapon (i.e. the distance of 'give me yer wallet'). 
So far as the SOCOM, rest assured that it is rare for any operator to use it.  I've heard from many sources that virtually noone uses them.  They are too big (you ever hold one? it's like a friggin Desert Eagle) way too big for most 'operators.'  I've heard that they tend to use instead the USP Tactical (also threaded barrel, etc) which is smaller, as well as an assortment of nicer 1911s, and SIGs(occasionally, 220s and 226s). 
Well, at least i'm not the only one to have issues with Hks standard pieces...however, i can say that the 9mm SD and the .40/.45 Tacticals are friggin tack drivers.  Supposedly HK is in the running (along with SIG, and i think a new Glock design) for the Beretta replacement. 
Inox huh?  That's the straight back 92FS right?  Man, i had a 92FS that was unfired when i got it.  That thing would shoot for shit.  4-6" at 7yds was a good day.  My Glock23(no longer have it), XD45(still love it) and 1911(never get rid of it) out shot it every day.  Not to mention the SIG.  So how's the Inox do?

Check out Safariland holsters, man.  They are the best I have ever found.  That's the only thing that the local departments use, i think.  Not always great concealment holster, but eh, they work great.  For concealment, i tend to use DeSantis leather, they are low profile and fit snug to the body.  They don't have thumb breaks, but if it's concealed, i don't expect that to be a problem.  The only way someone would know i have it, and be interested is if the SHTF or something.

diglow~Flow wrote:

.50 Caliber... just because its the most powerful and penetrates concrete  and other types of metal.

They dont make an actual Carry gun thats .50 cal. They do however make Hunting revolvers and Autos(Desert eagle with 10 inch barrel). They cant Make the .50 a viable carry gun because of the size of the frame needed to conceal it. There really isnt a way to scale down the frame to a carry size, unless they come up with some sort of new and stronger alloy.

The .44Mag/.44 Special was and is the best choice Because of the Pure energy of the bullit on impact. The .44 Special is only 1/16 shorter than the .44 mag and it delivers About the same stopping power with Hollow point ammo as the Mag. If you use Rapid expanding Ammo, the .44 special cant be beat. But be wanred, you better have a death grip on the gun, because it leaves bruises on your hands shooting it.

.45 is a great choice, but It has a much smaller Killing radius than a .44 Special, Includeing the .44 Special Bulldog.(the 2 1/2 to 3 inch barrel revolver).

I own most of whats on the list, and from shooting into home made ballistics gel, thats my findings.(Clay works well also). Hornaday Sp? Hollow points work the Best for Max damage at any range. I still Have Black Talons in my cary guns, But they are not legal anymore here in NY.

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

AveryHawk wrote:

Voted "other"  .25acp Walther PPK FTW..... good enough for James Bond good enough for me
Personally own:
Beretta 92D "Centurion" 9mm DA only
S&W 39-2 9mm SA/DA
Ruger "Speed Six" .357 Magnum

of mine the S&W is a good concealed carry  weapon it is a 9 shot single stacker so it is not too bulky to wear

My next hand gun will be a Sig .40 auto ...that is one of the "sweetest"  pistols I have ever pointed down range.

Mr Bonds First weapon Was a 9mm until They took it away from him and Gave him the Walther PPK. I think the Walther he carried In the movies was of the .380 variety wasnt it? My uncle just sold his(original from the 60's ) For some mega Bucks.

Gotta love spy novels written by failed spies...

My favourite pistol was the Russian Colt. M1191 clone from WW2. Got rid of some deficiencies in the design, particularly the firing and loading mechanisms (less jamming). At the cost of the safety switch. It was rather a dangerous gun to drop...

9mm... why? cause the Police use it where i live, and i have never seen any other type of handgun where i live that wasn't a 9mm..

If it can kill someone before they kill you, its good enough for me..

5.7x28 .Why ? Because it penetrates body armor .

Spearhead wrote:

stryyker wrote:

.45 APC. you use a handgun as a last resort, the .45 makes sure you dont have to go hand to hand

If I'm not mistaken that was also the same round they used in the Thompson SMG's, I've heard the bullet is pretty sweet

Yea it was used in the Thompson and the Grease Gun(MP40 look alike almost). Favorites would be the Colt .45(god damn I want a M1911) and the .45 ACP. Makes sure they stay down in one hit. Also .50 rounds suck ass.  The Desert Eagle cant hit a fucking barn from 10ft(CS just made it the shit).

My finger in your ass, kicks ass...

Could be silenced too: With leather gloves.

Sorry about the double-post but If you wanna make sure the person attacking you NEVER lives to speak of it,
Use the S&W .500 Magnum the weapon that replaces the .44 as the most powerful.

T0X1C1TY wrote:

.45 ACP, aka the Peacemaker of the west has enough stopping power to kill and is decently accurate in the right hands...

AKA the Peacemaker of the West??? Sorry dude the Peacemaker was originally chambered in .45LongColt or as it is more commonly known as the .45 Colt.  Quite different from the new cartridge that came abouts around 1911, the .45ACP.