wtf is w/ all of the fanboys here... Intel released conroe which dominated any AMD cpu, go to anandtech and tell me who says AMD ftw (tomshardware is different, they still got baronBS and 9-inch posting i love AMD threads, but they get bashed a lot)
Intel. The E6300 is just generally better than any AMD chip in your budget. The AMD users here sure are pretty bad losers about it though. Can't blame them though, I know I would be fairly pissed off if my brand that was pwning for a couple years suddenly gets bitch-slapped by an overall better (insert computer part here) made by the brand that is usually the underdog to your brand.
Intel is cheaper and faster.
The best I can tell you is to ignore low detail benchmarks and see what does the best with the highest settings. Also take into consideration motherboards, memory, and video cards used. Also determine whether or not the AMD is S939 or AM2, and consider future upgrade possibilities with both Intel and AMD by checking their future lineup.
AMD is much better, end of discussion.
For the price ->AMD and 7600GT, 7950GTX if you've got bucks!
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You don't know what you're talking about.leetkyle wrote:
AMD is much better, end of discussion.
When it comes down to it,what sounds better?
Amd or Intel..You get it,Intel sounds alot better.
When i see AMD i think somebody has spelt And wrong and i have to reread they're sentance.
So listen to me,i'm very intelligent for my age,have some respect for someone who know's what they are talking about.
Thanks leetkyle,
Prove Wrong - speculation - well folks of this thread, Proof would be in the pudding as they would say and I have stated on several occasions that I OWN BOTH. So my question would be how is that speculating when there setting side by side at my house?!?!? AMD my friends... I made my opinion based on personal experience with both processors, that is all! You can carry on without me in this one, You guys make me laugh HARD, half of you that are arguing probably don't own even close to either one of these processors, or have had minimal exposure with one or the other, not both...
I am not flaming anyone nor have I, so carry on the flame jobs without me!
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
Prove Wrong - speculation - well folks of this thread, Proof would be in the pudding as they would say and I have stated on several occasions that I OWN BOTH. So my question would be how is that speculating when there setting side by side at my house?!?!? AMD my friends... I made my opinion based on personal experience with both processors, that is all! You can carry on without me in this one, You guys make me laugh HARD, half of you that are arguing probably don't own even close to either one of these processors, or have had minimal exposure with one or the other, not both...
I am not flaming anyone nor have I, so carry on the flame jobs without me!
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
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spec·u·la·tion (spĕk'yə-lā'shən)EVIL_STYX wrote:
Thanks leetkyle,
Prove Wrong - speculation - well folks of this thread, Proof would be in the pudding as they would say and I have stated on several occasions that I OWN BOTH. So my question would be how is that speculating when there setting side by side at my house?!?!? AMD my friends...
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.
You think AMD "feels" faster. I know the E6300 is faster.
I sincerely respect your experience with both cpu but there is no proof both of them were tested in identical conditions and you didnt submit any concrete results, just a "feeling" as stated above.
Benchs dont lie, simply because they are based on true facts. At some way, you could state that BF2 stats dont mean anything because they cant evaluate how good is a player to play in team or help it.. but benchs are based on real performance such as frames per second (fluidity that is so much wanted by gamers) and times to render, encode, compress, etc.
in every benchs, the Core 2 wins... how might it be still worse than the AMD after all those proofs ? From the release of the 3K series by AMD, I add to recommend athlons to friends because it was simply better than the Pentiums but now, its the opposite and we wil have to deal with it!
Benchs dont lie, simply because they are based on true facts. At some way, you could state that BF2 stats dont mean anything because they cant evaluate how good is a player to play in team or help it.. but benchs are based on real performance such as frames per second (fluidity that is so much wanted by gamers) and times to render, encode, compress, etc.
in every benchs, the Core 2 wins... how might it be still worse than the AMD after all those proofs ? From the release of the 3K series by AMD, I add to recommend athlons to friends because it was simply better than the Pentiums but now, its the opposite and we wil have to deal with it!
I lol @ evil_styx,
Care to elaborate on the system specs on both machines? And what tests you have done to support your claim that the "AMD smokes the Intel everytime"? Face it people, Conroe > all.
Care to elaborate on the system specs on both machines? And what tests you have done to support your claim that the "AMD smokes the Intel everytime"? Face it people, Conroe > all.
ask any smart tech guy (me or reizors or shotyoursix) we say conroe, end of discussion
Yep, Styx is a retard. Conroe walks all over the AMDs. Benchies don't lie.
One other note. I have an FX-60 right now and I'm really not impressed. The newer steppings are HORRIBLE for overclocking (also due to FXs being close to the limit.) My P4 HT isn't all that far off the AMD because I can only get the FX up to 2.7. Nots sure if it applies to the 62s, but somthing to possibly look into.
One other note. I have an FX-60 right now and I'm really not impressed. The newer steppings are HORRIBLE for overclocking (also due to FXs being close to the limit.) My P4 HT isn't all that far off the AMD because I can only get the FX up to 2.7. Nots sure if it applies to the 62s, but somthing to possibly look into.
Like I said minimul exposure to one or the other but not both!908741059871059781 wrote:
Yep, Styx is a retard. Conroe walks all over the AMDs. Benchies don't lie.
One other note. I have an FX-60 right now and I'm really not impressed. The newer steppings are HORRIBLE for overclocking (also due to FXs being close to the limit.) My P4 HT isn't all that far off the AMD because I can only get the FX up to 2.7. Nots sure if it applies to the 62s, but somthing to possibly look into.
You sir would be the retard! any P4 keeping up with a 64 your lost! Thanks and have a great day!
And ninja yes I never said it was a bad processor the core 2, never even implied it. On the note of AMD blowing Core 2's doors off I never said. I said and it is a fact that AMD's typically run hotter then there rated. I said that in the past yes every Athlon I have owned has blown intel out of the water. AMD 64/core 2 I never said that AMD just flat smokes the new intel. I did say that the AMD for example gets in game ( BF2 ) almost twice as fast, both are less then 60 seconds to load and start playing ( that would be processing speed ). The point I have been trying and keep on trying to make is that for the money AMD has more bang for your buck, and believe it or not, out of the two processors I own, I can not say as I see a HUGE leap away from each other. I WILL NOT put anymore of my money into intel again.
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
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Read reply number 57.EVIL_STYX wrote:
Like I said minimul exposure to one or the other but not both!908741059871059781 wrote:
Yep, Styx is a retard. Conroe walks all over the AMDs. Benchies don't lie.
One other note. I have an FX-60 right now and I'm really not impressed. The newer steppings are HORRIBLE for overclocking (also due to FXs being close to the limit.) My P4 HT isn't all that far off the AMD because I can only get the FX up to 2.7. Nots sure if it applies to the 62s, but somthing to possibly look into.
You sir would be the retard! Thanks and have a great day!
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
That should set you straight.
If you want a point by point analysis why didn't you just say so?
Now that AMD have bought ATI in their amazing multi-billion payoff, media will become a totally different era. AMD and ATI both state, and I quote: "As a combined company, AMD and ATI will empower users to create and experience rich, immersive digital entertainment across multiple consumer devices, including PCs, handhelds, and digital televisions."
As for gaming, it is your choice whether you prefer ATI or nVidia. Albeit, I do believe nVidia and Intel go better together as Intel currently dominates most of the media network. AMD and ATI merging was a very smart move - as the world's KNOWN greatest microprocessor creating company has now expanded into media, threatening Intel.
Whilst Intel's Conroes can boast of 4MB Cache, amazing clock speeds and very competitive prices - Intel have been working on years to perfect this and they are very close to it now.
Workstation wise, and home wise - Intel do dominate it, as their Celeron processors can "do what the average, non-gaming family" need to do. AMD are also about to offer even more discounts, and I quote: "As a combined company, AMD and ATI will deliver highly-integrated, low-cost, power-efficient solutions to meet the expanding demands of billions of new users in emerging markets."
AMD are moving into the general market, but loyal and dedicated fans will stay with Advanced Micro Systems because they know what they like. I will of course stick with AMD, as Intel's line of processors just "isn't me" - also - ATI will produce outstanding graphics built for use with the Athlon series - pounding Intel back into the ground.
The new X1950 will back this statement up as they will perform better on AMD systems - it's what the creators are paid to do. Why do you think they merged / were bought over?
Kyle.
Edit// should add I have owned both high-end Intel and AMD processors, so whilst I even perceive myself as an AMD fanboy - I've spent a lot of time with Intel CPUs.
Now that AMD have bought ATI in their amazing multi-billion payoff, media will become a totally different era. AMD and ATI both state, and I quote: "As a combined company, AMD and ATI will empower users to create and experience rich, immersive digital entertainment across multiple consumer devices, including PCs, handhelds, and digital televisions."
As for gaming, it is your choice whether you prefer ATI or nVidia. Albeit, I do believe nVidia and Intel go better together as Intel currently dominates most of the media network. AMD and ATI merging was a very smart move - as the world's KNOWN greatest microprocessor creating company has now expanded into media, threatening Intel.
Whilst Intel's Conroes can boast of 4MB Cache, amazing clock speeds and very competitive prices - Intel have been working on years to perfect this and they are very close to it now.
Workstation wise, and home wise - Intel do dominate it, as their Celeron processors can "do what the average, non-gaming family" need to do. AMD are also about to offer even more discounts, and I quote: "As a combined company, AMD and ATI will deliver highly-integrated, low-cost, power-efficient solutions to meet the expanding demands of billions of new users in emerging markets."
AMD are moving into the general market, but loyal and dedicated fans will stay with Advanced Micro Systems because they know what they like. I will of course stick with AMD, as Intel's line of processors just "isn't me" - also - ATI will produce outstanding graphics built for use with the Athlon series - pounding Intel back into the ground.
The new X1950 will back this statement up as they will perform better on AMD systems - it's what the creators are paid to do. Why do you think they merged / were bought over?
Kyle.
Edit// should add I have owned both high-end Intel and AMD processors, so whilst I even perceive myself as an AMD fanboy - I've spent a lot of time with Intel CPUs.
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Amd.
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
confucious wrote:
AMD, no question about it.
Note the flowing AMD responses, proving my point!
Again, Thank you so much leetkyle!
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
lol Cyborg you are a fanboy to.. "I love intel it is way better blah blah blah" FANBOY_NINJA FTW!!!!
EDIT: Fuck you got a lot of Intel Fanboys lmaO!
not only that i just dont see the performance from Intel like i do AMD.
EDIT: Fuck you got a lot of Intel Fanboys lmaO!
not only that i just dont see the performance from Intel like i do AMD.
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Enjoy... Gotta love AMD$5.4 Billion Acquisition Will Drive Growth, Innovation and Choice -
- AMD and ATI to Hold Joint Executive Conference Call Today at 8:00 a.m. EDT -
NEW YORK -- July 24, 2006 --AMD (NYSE: AMD) and ATI (TSX: ATY, NASDAQ: ATYT) today announced plans to join forces in a transaction valued at approximately $5.4 billion. The combination will create a processing powerhouse by bringing AMD’s technology leadership in microprocessors together with ATI’s strengths in graphics, chipsets and consumer electronics. The result: A new and more formidable company, determined to drive growth, innovation and choice for its customers, particularly in the commercial and mobile computing segments and in the rapidly-growing consumer electronics market. Combining technologies, people, and complementary strengths, AMD plans to deliver in 2007 customer-centric platforms for the benefit of customers who want to collaborate in the development of differentiated solutions.
AMD’s acquisition of ATI will position the new company to deliver innovations that fulfill the increasing demand for more integrated solutions in key market segments while also continuing to develop “best-of-breed” discrete products that empower customers to choose the combination of technologies that best serves their needs. In 2008 and beyond, AMD aims to move beyond current technological configurations to transform processing technologies, with silicon-specific platforms that integrate microprocessors and graphics processors to address the growing need for general-purpose, media-centric, data-centric and graphic-centric performance. Thus, the combined company intends to empower its customers to create their own unique products and solutions within an open-innovation ecosystem free from artificial barriers to customer success.
“ATI shares our passion and complements our strengths: technology leadership and customer centric innovation,” said AMD Chairman and CEO Hector Ruiz. “Bringing these two great companies together will allow us to transcend what we have accomplished as individual businesses and reinvent our industry as the technology leader and partner of choice. We believe AMD and ATI will drive growth and innovation for the entire industry, enabling our partners to create differentiated solutions and empowering our customers to choose what is best for them.”
“This combination means accelerated growth for ATI, and broader horizons for our employees,” said Dave Orton, President and CEO of ATI. “All of our product lines will benefit. Joining with AMD will enable us to innovate aggressively on the PC platform, and continue to invest significantly in our consumer business to stay in front of our markets.”
“Windows Vista will deliver incredible advances in the user experience as a result of advancements in graphics integration and performance,” said Jim Allchin, Co-President of Microsoft’s Platforms & Services Division. “We’re excited by the potential of what AMD and ATI can deliver together to enhance the Windows Vista experience for our customers even further.”
Under the terms of the transaction, AMD will acquire all of the outstanding common shares of ATI for a combination of $4.2 billion in cash and 57 million shares of AMD common stock, based on the number of shares of ATI common stock outstanding on July 21, 2006. All outstanding options and RSUs of ATI will be assumed. Based upon the closing price of AMD common stock on July 21, 2006 of $18.26 a share, the consideration for each outstanding share of ATI common stock would be $20.47, comprised of $16.40 of cash and 0.2229 shares of AMD common stock.
AMD anticipates it will finance the cash portion of the transaction with a combination of cash and new debt. AMD has obtained a $2.5 billion term loan commitment from Morgan Stanley Senior Funding, Inc. which, together with combined existing cash, cash equivalents, and short term investments balances of approximately $3.0 billion, provides full funding for the transaction.
ATI has received an opinion from its financial advisors that the transaction from a financial point of view is fair to its shareholders. The transaction was unanimously approved by the board of directors of each company. The transaction is subject to ATI shareholder approval, Canadian court supervision of a Plan of Arrangement, and other regulatory approvals including merger notification filings in the United States, Canada and other jurisdictions, as well as customary closing conditions. In the event that the transaction does not close, ATI has agreed to pay AMD a termination fee of $162.0 million under circumstances specified in the acquisition agreement. The transaction is expected to be completed in the fourth quarter of 2006.
A Compelling Financial Opportunity
AMD expects that the transaction will be slightly accretive to earnings in 2007, and meaningfully accretive in 2008, before the inclusion of ATI acquisition–related charges, based upon AMD’s plans to deliver more integrated and advanced platform solutions and thereby improve its position in commercial clients, mobile computing, gaming, media and emerging markets. AMD anticipates that it will reduce operating expenses by approximately $75 million for the combined company by the end of 2007.
The combined company would have achieved approximately $7.3 billion1 in total consolidated sales during the last four quarters with a workforce of approximately 15,000 employees. Headquartered in Sunnyvale, California, the company will maintain sales, design and manufacturing centers worldwide and major business centers in Silicon Valley, Austin, Texas and Markham, Ontario - all valued centers of innovation for the combined company. AMD’s current executive team will be complemented by the addition of ATI President and CEO Dave Orton. Orton will serve as an executive vice president of the ATI business division, reporting to the AMD Office of the CEO, comprised of Chairman and CEO Hector Ruiz and President and Chief Operating Officer Dirk Meyer. In addition, under the terms of the acquisition agreement, two ATI directors will join AMD’s board of directors upon closing of the transaction.
The collective roster of AMD and ATI’s strong customer relationships represents a “who’s who” of the computing and consumer electronics industries. Drawing upon a shared culture of customer-centric innovation and engineering excellence, the combined company will be well positioned to meet customer demand for more innovative solutions, system-level engineering and faster time-to-market.
Conference Call
The companies will host a financial analyst and press conference call today at 8 a.m. EDT (5 a.m. PDT). The call can be accessed at 612-326-1027 (U.S.). Audio of the conference call will be available live and also http://www.amd.com/announcement.
For those unable to listen to the live call, a telephone replay will be available beginning July 24, 2006 at approximately 11:00 a.m. EDT through July 30, 2006. That call can be accessed by dialing 800-475-6701 (U.S.) or 320-365-3844 (international) with conference call ID 837580.
About AMD
Advanced Micro Devices (NYSE: AMD) is a leading global provider of innovative microprocessor solutions for computing, communications and consumer electronics markets. Founded in 1969, AMD is dedicated to delivering superior computing solutions based on customer needs that empower users worldwide. For more information visit www.amd.com.
About ATI
ATI Technologies Inc. is a world leader in the design and manufacture of innovative 3D graphics, PC platform technologies and digital media silicon solutions. An industry pioneer since 1985, ATI is the world's foremost graphics processor unit (GPU) provider and is dedicated to deliver leading-edge performance solutions for the full range of PC and Mac desktop and notebook platforms, workstation, set-top and digital television, game console and handheld device markets. With fiscal 2005 revenues of US $2.2 billion, ATI has approximately 4,000 employees in the Americas, Europe and Asia. ATI common shares trade on NASDAQ (ATYT) and the Toronto Stock Exchange (ATY).
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In connection with the proposed transaction, ATI intends to file a management proxy circular with the Canadian securities regulatory authorities. Investors and security holders are urged to read the management proxy circular when it becomes available because it will contain important information about AMD, ATI and the transaction. Investors and security holders may obtain the management proxy circular free of charge on SEDAR website maintained by the Canadian Securities Administrators at http://www.sedar.com as well as on the SEC’s website located at http://www.sec.gov. Investors and security holders may obtain any documents relating to the transaction filed by AMD with the SEC free of charge at the SEC’s website located at http://www.sec.gov and filed by ATI on SEDAR at www.sedar.com.
(1)Excluding AMD memory segment for the third and fourth quarters of 2005.
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Thank You diglow~Flow! keep them coming...
Read my posts jord, that should set you straight...
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
Read my posts jord, that should set you straight...
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
Last edited by EVIL_STYX (2006-08-14 16:30:14)
take a tour on Tomshardware.com and read the benchsdiglow~Flow wrote:
lol Cyborg you are a fanboy to.. "I love intel it is way better blah blah blah" FANBOY_NINJA FTW!!!!
EDIT: Fuck you got a lot of Intel Fanboys lmaO!
not only that i just dont see the performance from Intel like i do AMD.
"end of discussion" as you guys like to say.
and btw im NOT an Intel Fanboy, I had been recommending AMD for the last 2 years to friends who wanted to buy a new rig. But now the time has changed. My opinion on wheter choosing Intel or not is not based on "fanboyism", but on FACTS.
It's simple, as someone said the other day on this thread, some opinions here are based on past facts, and in their mind, amd stays the best cpu. Either they didnt look at the new benchs or they think Athlons are still trusty, as they were BEFORE.
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The intel IS NOT leaps and bounds above the 64 ( period )! You act like the intel is doing WARP speed where as the 64 is doing IMPULSE... From both my processors one is not light years ahead of the other. They seriously run just about the same, for the money you still get MORE bang for your $ going with AMD. As far as that goes wait for the next AMD and it will not take years to come out like the core 2 has... Intel will be left in the dust AGAIN! Now, I can safely say at that point the AMD will be light years ahead of the Intel! But as it stands the Intel IS NOT that much better...
End of discussion, as you like to say!
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
End of discussion, as you like to say!
EVIL_STYX OUT!!!
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