aaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaAbsinthe wrote:
Flying the Falcon 4 is 99.9% the real thing.
oh lord
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oh lord
obviously you didnt play the game.
Obviously I understand a little better the difference between a video game and controlling a multi-million dollar piece of machinery. You think Gran Turismo 4 prepares you for Le Mans?
would someone PLEASE take this thread behind the wood shed and shoot it already!?
With What? a GUN ? tsk tsk tskdshak wrote:
would someone PLEASE take this thread behind the wood shed and shoot it already!?
Then we would have to move it to the Shooting Topics with Assault Guns thread.Horseman 77 wrote:
With What? a GUN ? tsk tsk tskdshak wrote:
would someone PLEASE take this thread behind the wood shed and shoot it already!?
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=5233
lol.
Last edited by VirtuaLResistancE (2005-11-29 00:38:46)
FeloniousMonk, mate, the whole concept of the F4 game is to be as close as possible to the real thing. That includes all the procedures, and preflight checks up to the highest level of realism. Damn, before I even start the engine I need to go through a heavy checklist of rpm, oil temp etc..
And to our subject.. I think, without a doubt, that everyone who is *truely* a good pilot in that sim, IS able to hndle the plane in the air. That includes take-offs, and landing. I wish I wouldnt sound so ridiculos.. I just try to bring you the "feel" of the game. true, 99.9 is very exaggerated example. It's ment to make a point. OFCOURSE its harder in real life to fly the real thing.. I just say that veteran simmers can handle simple tasks of the most demanding jet fighters today. think about it..
And to our subject.. I think, without a doubt, that everyone who is *truely* a good pilot in that sim, IS able to hndle the plane in the air. That includes take-offs, and landing. I wish I wouldnt sound so ridiculos.. I just try to bring you the "feel" of the game. true, 99.9 is very exaggerated example. It's ment to make a point. OFCOURSE its harder in real life to fly the real thing.. I just say that veteran simmers can handle simple tasks of the most demanding jet fighters today. think about it..
Last edited by Absinthe (2005-11-29 15:01:13)
I have thought about it and I know full well that no video game could ever give you a solid level of instruction because many of the operating procedures of the real aircraft are not available to the general public. Many of the computer procedures are in fact classified to keep the planes from being used by enemy pilots.
Just because you run through a checklist that every pilot in any plane would have to run through does not mean you have in any way followed the same checklist that a real Falcon pilot does nor that any of the information in the game is anywhere close to realistic.
Yes, your figure was grossly exaggerated. Even an actual simulator does not prepare one for the actual experience of flying but until you've been in a General Dynamics simulator and actually read the flight manual then no, you have very little idea of how to fly the actual plane. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but video games can't simulate any significant portion of F-16 flight dynamics and procedure. No, veteran sim players would not be able to handle a real life jet unless the simulator you refer to is an actual training simulator and they've actually had real air time. Even if you've flown planes before there is nothing like a combat jet. Nothing.
Just because you run through a checklist that every pilot in any plane would have to run through does not mean you have in any way followed the same checklist that a real Falcon pilot does nor that any of the information in the game is anywhere close to realistic.
Yes, your figure was grossly exaggerated. Even an actual simulator does not prepare one for the actual experience of flying but until you've been in a General Dynamics simulator and actually read the flight manual then no, you have very little idea of how to fly the actual plane. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but video games can't simulate any significant portion of F-16 flight dynamics and procedure. No, veteran sim players would not be able to handle a real life jet unless the simulator you refer to is an actual training simulator and they've actually had real air time. Even if you've flown planes before there is nothing like a combat jet. Nothing.
Last edited by FeloniousMonk (2005-11-29 15:08:38)
well, just to let you know, I'm 26 from Israel. I served in the IAF in an f15 squadron as a Flight Controller. so, I DO know a thing or two about the real jets. I know we are bouncing heads here, but thats the point of the whole debate Thats true, many of the real things that are classified (each country to itself) are not listed inflight. nearly all of them are considered to be related to weapons attack guidance systems, and radar capabilities, and NAV flight instruments. The BASICS of the plane are similar 100% and I'm not exaggerating on it.
here is a quote from Game Revolution pc -
The in-game training, accompanied by the almost oppressively detailed 580 page behemoth of a manual, will take you through every facet of flying an F-16. The training simulation is so extensive and accurate that it has been compared to the actual military flight simulators that prospective F-16 pilots train on before taking the real bird out for a Mach 2 whirl.
and the link - http://gr.bolt.com/oldsite/games/pc/flight/falcon_4.htm
Lets ask it this way : How different is a takeoff in a real jet, to the F4 sim ? other then ATC (exit routs, ordering the runway for t/o) which is also covered in the sim, but since its not related to the jet itself its sort of lame..
here is a quote from Game Revolution pc -
The in-game training, accompanied by the almost oppressively detailed 580 page behemoth of a manual, will take you through every facet of flying an F-16. The training simulation is so extensive and accurate that it has been compared to the actual military flight simulators that prospective F-16 pilots train on before taking the real bird out for a Mach 2 whirl.
and the link - http://gr.bolt.com/oldsite/games/pc/flight/falcon_4.htm
Lets ask it this way : How different is a takeoff in a real jet, to the F4 sim ? other then ATC (exit routs, ordering the runway for t/o) which is also covered in the sim, but since its not related to the jet itself its sort of lame..
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Situational Awareness. This is considered by many, if not most, to be the key factor seperating a good fighter pilot from a great one. The ability to gather, process and react to a huge flow of information rapidly is what allows a fighter pilot to survive, a superior ability to gather, process and react to a huge flow of information is what allows a fighter pilot to thrive.
As for intelligence, well, 'intelligence' isn't a terribly well defined term so it's hard to say if a pilot needs to have high 'intelligence' levels. What a modern day fighter pilot does need is mathematical skill (angles, speeds, courses, altitudes and the like all figure prominently is figuring out what the hell is going on in the cockpit, especially if your computerised aids/radio/other gadgets and gizmos are down/malfunctioning and without decent maths skills you're going to get overwhelmed, quickly, and do something daft like forget to put the undercarriage down when coming in to land), hand eye co-ordination (to actually fly the aircraft), training (do I need to explain why?), aggression/courage (you must be willing to fight as well as fly) and SA - situational awareness (if you don't know what's going on around you you'll be dead, whether at the hands of your enemy or 'cos you ploughed into the deck at 550kts despite Bitchin' Betty warning you to pull up).
Now, are all fighter pilots possessed of those qualities? Nope, many, hell most, have the maths skills, hand eye co-ord and training but it's the SA and aggression/courage that makes all the difference. Of course then there are those pilots who have none of those and coast on the coat tails of others, friends or family of influence usually. Did GWB do that? I haven't the faintest and I suspect the only folks who know are GWB himself and the folks who served with him.
But even if he didn't and he was in fact a brilliant fighter pilot (again, no idea if he was or wasn't) do the desirable qualities of a good pilot translate well to leading a nation? Well, they probably aren't bad things but surely things like leadership, diplomatic skills, interpersonal communications skills, the ability to comprehend global scale trends, issues and problems and the like are more important? Now, does GWB have those? I'll leave that for you to decide...
As for the whole Falcon 4.0 thing, well, I actually spoke to several Royal Singapore Air Force F-16 pilots at a recent Royal Australian Air Force airshow (I run the RAAF Association Aviation Heritage Museum and we were there with our Spitfire on display so I stayed on base and got to talk to these guys in their mess a fair bit, they use RAAF Pearce as a training base, more space in Australia than Singapore I guess) and brought this topic up, they said that what's in the game is in fact 90% accurate (their aircraft are slightly diff to US ones, so it might/might not be more accurate for US procedures) but that it barely covers 30-40% of what an F-16 pilot actually has to do in the cockpit and while you might get the jet off the deck you'd struggle to do anything more complex than circuits. As an example a lot of comms gear is classified and missing from the game so you'd have trouble getting permission to take off to start with 'cos the real comms gear is nothing like the in-game comms gear...
As for intelligence, well, 'intelligence' isn't a terribly well defined term so it's hard to say if a pilot needs to have high 'intelligence' levels. What a modern day fighter pilot does need is mathematical skill (angles, speeds, courses, altitudes and the like all figure prominently is figuring out what the hell is going on in the cockpit, especially if your computerised aids/radio/other gadgets and gizmos are down/malfunctioning and without decent maths skills you're going to get overwhelmed, quickly, and do something daft like forget to put the undercarriage down when coming in to land), hand eye co-ordination (to actually fly the aircraft), training (do I need to explain why?), aggression/courage (you must be willing to fight as well as fly) and SA - situational awareness (if you don't know what's going on around you you'll be dead, whether at the hands of your enemy or 'cos you ploughed into the deck at 550kts despite Bitchin' Betty warning you to pull up).
Now, are all fighter pilots possessed of those qualities? Nope, many, hell most, have the maths skills, hand eye co-ord and training but it's the SA and aggression/courage that makes all the difference. Of course then there are those pilots who have none of those and coast on the coat tails of others, friends or family of influence usually. Did GWB do that? I haven't the faintest and I suspect the only folks who know are GWB himself and the folks who served with him.
But even if he didn't and he was in fact a brilliant fighter pilot (again, no idea if he was or wasn't) do the desirable qualities of a good pilot translate well to leading a nation? Well, they probably aren't bad things but surely things like leadership, diplomatic skills, interpersonal communications skills, the ability to comprehend global scale trends, issues and problems and the like are more important? Now, does GWB have those? I'll leave that for you to decide...
As for the whole Falcon 4.0 thing, well, I actually spoke to several Royal Singapore Air Force F-16 pilots at a recent Royal Australian Air Force airshow (I run the RAAF Association Aviation Heritage Museum and we were there with our Spitfire on display so I stayed on base and got to talk to these guys in their mess a fair bit, they use RAAF Pearce as a training base, more space in Australia than Singapore I guess) and brought this topic up, they said that what's in the game is in fact 90% accurate (their aircraft are slightly diff to US ones, so it might/might not be more accurate for US procedures) but that it barely covers 30-40% of what an F-16 pilot actually has to do in the cockpit and while you might get the jet off the deck you'd struggle to do anything more complex than circuits. As an example a lot of comms gear is classified and missing from the game so you'd have trouble getting permission to take off to start with 'cos the real comms gear is nothing like the in-game comms gear...
Last edited by RhadamanthysSCC (2005-11-29 22:11:05)
hahaha christ what a nag :pBitchin' Betty
Why cant the Video game give you the " skill set " you need? Isn't learning to fly a Hi speed jet fighter just like teaching a monkey to juggle? I have this on good authority.
if they were so smart, they would have joined the infantry.
Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-07-14 19:39:52)
nice necroposting lolGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
if they were so smart, they would have joined the infantry.
Yeah... what's with that?
its a pretty decent topic to debate.
its different than the other 3 topics that get floated around...Israel, Iraq and neo cons.
thats gonna be the name of my book.
its different than the other 3 topics that get floated around...Israel, Iraq and neo cons.
thats gonna be the name of my book.
Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-07-14 19:45:18)
Fair enough.
Fighter pilots are smart! YES, true! My father was one and he is just top notch. Very intelligent man. I have some big footsteps to fill.
For a minutes I thought I had slipped into a time warp.
*Almost* anyone can be taught to do *almost* anything. By default, however, the idiots are weeded out from the flight program before they ever make it into the air.
Fighter pilot should have the same skills as an F1 driver...excellent vision and reflexes, brains and courage at speed..
LOL, kniero, THA, and horseman77. The memories.
Yeah I know. I was reading this thread then had a serious WTF moment...Home wrote:
LOL, kniero, THA, and horseman77. The memories.
Then I checked the date.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
QFT..... maybe it's time to start implimenting archiving?Flecco wrote:
Yeah I know. I was reading this thread then had a serious WTF moment...Home wrote:
LOL, kniero, THA, and horseman77. The memories.
Then I checked the date.
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