Does it really matter in game about the trasnlation of the name or of other related words? lol when i'm wielding the rpg i'm more concerned with taking out some vehichles than i ever will be about what it's propper russian name is.
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LoL omg you should read all posts. You didnt get it right because I dont really talk about proper names. Kilroy said that since its a Propelled grenade it should make much less damage. So, I said that its an Anti-Tank grenade so it should makes the same damage with SRAW/ERYX. That what its all about. Not the damn spelling. Sorry, and LoLBlankwindow wrote:
Does it really matter in game about the trasnlation of the name or of other related words? lol when i'm wielding the rpg i'm more concerned with taking out some vehichles than i ever will be about what it's propper russian name is.
Last edited by Dr.Battlefield (2005-11-29 12:02:32)
I read the whole thing i just didn't get the point was all. Understandable considering i'm extremely tired but that was all. and yes when the rpg was designed it was made to be a anti-tank weapon but with tanks it's not as effective though deadly against other armor.
either way it works in the game.
either way it works in the game.
ok I'll shutup now, sorry if my english isnt rly clear.
Last edited by Dr.Battlefield (2005-11-29 12:15:46)
I had to learn some basic russian for the purpose of reading untransulated primary sources (which was a waist anyway because when I was able to find anything of use I came across more blacked out paragraphs than you would find in the average CIA report, if you ever think OUR government is bad just read documentation from the old Soviet Union.)
I'm better at reading it than writing it to be honest, and not good at all at speaking it. you may well be right on about my interpretation for rocket launcher, your literal transulation could surely be spot on, but where I got that off of was a manifest of weapons supplied to VC forces during vietnam, and I don't think the rocket launcher refered to is an intercontinental ballistic missle silo. could be wrong though, its been known to happen to me every once in a while!
I'm better at reading it than writing it to be honest, and not good at all at speaking it. you may well be right on about my interpretation for rocket launcher, your literal transulation could surely be spot on, but where I got that off of was a manifest of weapons supplied to VC forces during vietnam, and I don't think the rocket launcher refered to is an intercontinental ballistic missle silo. could be wrong though, its been known to happen to me every once in a while!
Man, OUR government isnt bad (I live and study in the U.S.) Sure I disagree with some movements, but its just my opinion. About that text, yeap maybe I'm wrong, and you re right. But I must say that this text wasnt written by russians (or did you just cut it out from different paragraphs?). I mean composition is kinda wrong, so probably I misunderstood the RL meaning. And now when I know that its all about VC supplies I'm kinda confused, because I thought that its all about Cold War. Hmmm anyway I will not make a problem from it, anyway its hard to interpret different languages, esp. from different language groups.
P.S. I dont mess with CIA
P.S. I dont mess with CIA
Last edited by Dr.Battlefield (2005-11-29 14:07:09)
haha,
never said your government was "bad," they're just dredfull at releasing Cold War documents, we aren't necessarily any better... that was kind of the point I was making in a round about fashion. Russian supply and support of the communist north vietnamese was one of the many many ways in which the U.S. and Soviets fought eachother without fighting eachother. The Vietnam war was ENTIRELY about the Cold War, and the Soviets kept those jungle rats (I use this term as a compliment) extremely well armed, much in the same way the U.S. did everything it could to support the rebels in Afghanistan against the Soviets.
The term I used there, as I said, came right off of a manifest of an arms shippment, I personally only have a photo copy but I saw the actual thing in the national archives. I can't really say if it was a russian who wrote it or not, for all I know it could have been a VC writing in russian. As for my little paragraph there explaining my own background with russian, I'm sure its full of errors, as I mentioned earlier I really was only trained to read and (most of the time partially) understand the language for the purpose of academic research.
one of my masters degrees is in History, U.S. Soviet relations during the cold war, to be exact. On the issue of weaponry I came across descriptions for the infamous "RPG" on more than one occasion, but to be honest I can't really recall how it was written most of the time. For the purpose of this thread I used something right off a material I still kept in one of my cabinets.
never said your government was "bad," they're just dredfull at releasing Cold War documents, we aren't necessarily any better... that was kind of the point I was making in a round about fashion. Russian supply and support of the communist north vietnamese was one of the many many ways in which the U.S. and Soviets fought eachother without fighting eachother. The Vietnam war was ENTIRELY about the Cold War, and the Soviets kept those jungle rats (I use this term as a compliment) extremely well armed, much in the same way the U.S. did everything it could to support the rebels in Afghanistan against the Soviets.
The term I used there, as I said, came right off of a manifest of an arms shippment, I personally only have a photo copy but I saw the actual thing in the national archives. I can't really say if it was a russian who wrote it or not, for all I know it could have been a VC writing in russian. As for my little paragraph there explaining my own background with russian, I'm sure its full of errors, as I mentioned earlier I really was only trained to read and (most of the time partially) understand the language for the purpose of academic research.
one of my masters degrees is in History, U.S. Soviet relations during the cold war, to be exact. On the issue of weaponry I came across descriptions for the infamous "RPG" on more than one occasion, but to be honest I can't really recall how it was written most of the time. For the purpose of this thread I used something right off a material I still kept in one of my cabinets.
Last edited by dshak (2005-11-29 17:21:27)
All this blah blah about rpgs lmfao
why bother posting?Lt.Maverick|Lw| wrote:
All this blah blah about rpgs lmfao
because he found himself funny?LOGAN wrote:
why bother posting?Lt.Maverick|Lw| wrote:
All this blah blah about rpgs lmfao
Damn i thought i had been bugged when i got shot without a warning:P Well Rpgs cant wire guide so thats its only weakness.DUFFKING wrote:
Nope, I don't think there is a lockon warning, which is bloody useful IMO.
ah, just in case someone still wants that "rpg" translated - i'm russian, writing this right from moscow. let me clarify for you - rpg is not "rocket propelled grenade" but as dr. battlefield already mentioned "ruchnoy protivotankovy granatomyot" which could be translated as something like "hand-carried anti-tank grenade launcher". whoever wrote that "rocket propelled grenade"-thing (in a manual for a game or some such, right?) obviously had no idea what he was writing about.
as to it's functionality irl - speaking of very old "rpg 7" mind you - it's really fired like a cannon. grenade gets propelled with one sigle charge and then travels like most other cannon shots. all the ballistic rules apply and it is not guided in any way. the grenade itself is... ehm... i don't know the right english word for it... it's the one that upon impact produces kinda stream of hot gases and stuff which burns through armor and once through creates very hight pressure inside the tank (or other vehicle rpg was fired upon) - that kills the crew, damages the stuff, makes explosive things detonate you know the deal.
btw, rpg is a big family of anti-tank weapons of which rpg-7 is very old and almost completely absolete. it is most ineffective against modern tanks with complex armor and other anti-rocket equipment.
lastly i'd say that modern modifications of rpg function very much like sraw.
p.s. fixed typo's... well... sort of. sorry for my poor english
as to it's functionality irl - speaking of very old "rpg 7" mind you - it's really fired like a cannon. grenade gets propelled with one sigle charge and then travels like most other cannon shots. all the ballistic rules apply and it is not guided in any way. the grenade itself is... ehm... i don't know the right english word for it... it's the one that upon impact produces kinda stream of hot gases and stuff which burns through armor and once through creates very hight pressure inside the tank (or other vehicle rpg was fired upon) - that kills the crew, damages the stuff, makes explosive things detonate you know the deal.
btw, rpg is a big family of anti-tank weapons of which rpg-7 is very old and almost completely absolete. it is most ineffective against modern tanks with complex armor and other anti-rocket equipment.
lastly i'd say that modern modifications of rpg function very much like sraw.
p.s. fixed typo's... well... sort of. sorry for my poor english
Last edited by Shahter (2005-11-30 04:26:25)
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
poor english? where?? i could understand you perfectly! and thanks for the clarification.
and doesnt the RPG get its armor piercing abilities (as you described) from Depleted Uranium tipped munitions?? its obviously not just a normal grenade but im not sure, im not an expert at this stuff in real life just BF2.
and doesnt the RPG get its armor piercing abilities (as you described) from Depleted Uranium tipped munitions?? its obviously not just a normal grenade but im not sure, im not an expert at this stuff in real life just BF2.
Last edited by LOGAN (2005-11-30 09:07:51)
I understood you just find shahter. Also the reason they called it a rocket propelled grenade is the american name for it.US soldiers call out rpg for rocket propelled grenade because that really is what the older rps were a small rocked with a HEAT (high explosive anti tank. this is the kind you described above) grenade on the end.
Plus rpg is much easier for a solider to call out than the correct translation when one is incoming. And if you've seen them in combat and how they world rocket propelled grenade does fit them much better.
I'm not sure whether it is tipped or not. Modern tank rounds are made from depleted uranium. Well atleast the SABOT round are. HEAT rounds are still made basically the same just bigger.
Plus rpg is much easier for a solider to call out than the correct translation when one is incoming. And if you've seen them in combat and how they world rocket propelled grenade does fit them much better.
I'm not sure whether it is tipped or not. Modern tank rounds are made from depleted uranium. Well atleast the SABOT round are. HEAT rounds are still made basically the same just bigger.
Yeap, I think I would agree that rpgs is kinda old skool now with old technology. It will basically ricochet from armor of the new tanks. But you still able to destroy the tracks with it. Now I think rpgs are good only to destroy APCs or transport choppers( need luck with this one). A good benefit is that new tanks defensive systems cant recognize rpg, so all these anti-rocket devices on armor wont work against it.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
GL HF
Correct me if I'm wrong.
GL HF
Last edited by Dr.Battlefield (2005-11-30 11:14:53)
The words you were looking for is shape charge. All HEAT rounds rely on a shaped charge to defeat standard armor. Depleted uranium rounds are normally SABOT kinetic energy rounds. The full term is APFSDS: Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot.
Here's a site that discusses the different types of munitions if you care to know.
http://www.pmulcahy.com/ammunition/larg … ition.html
~frog
Here's a site that discusses the different types of munitions if you care to know.
http://www.pmulcahy.com/ammunition/larg … ition.html
~frog
Actually, if you hip-shoot a SRAW or ERYX, you don't get a lock-on tone, either. I do it all the time when I'm fairly near...it's easier and more stealthy...Ayumiz wrote:
Damn i thought i had been bugged when i got shot without a warning:P Well Rpgs cant wire guide so thats its only weakness.DUFFKING wrote:
Nope, I don't think there is a lockon warning, which is bloody useful IMO.
very interesting, thanks.ericTheFrog wrote:
The words you were looking for is shape charge. All HEAT rounds rely on a shaped charge to defeat standard armor. Depleted uranium rounds are normally SABOT kinetic energy rounds. The full term is APFSDS: Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot.
Here's a site that discusses the different types of munitions if you care to know.
http://www.pmulcahy.com/ammunition/larg … ition.html
~frog
love RPG
how do u hip shoot, is it firing when u r crouching or somthing.
i think he means when youre unscoped.
I wish they had a mobile TOW kit, that would be hilarious. It'd be like...a TOW launcher..on a wheeled cart, and you'd have to push it around everywhere...and you could run people over with it when you sprinted...lmao
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lmao how long did that take you?!
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