BF2S Forums Unlocks

The only one I use regularly is the M95 when I can potentially shoot chopper pilots. Otherwse it is stock guns 95% of the time.

Last edited by Dr0pped (2006-08-23 10:17:05)

I don't see why people dislike unlocks. They're supposed to be sidegrades to the stock weapons (at least, this is what I was told) and so aren't any better or worse overall. If you regularly competed in tournaments where unlocks were disallowed, I could see why you would choose not to make using them a habit, but otherwise it doesn't seem like there would be any reason not to use them.

Certain situations make some weapons better. The L96 is certainly better than the SVD/Type-88 on most maps. The M95 is easily one of the most situational unlocks, since it's really the only small arms weapon you can use to keep planes from taking off for a significant amount of time. The DAO is better on city maps, while the default SMGs maybe better for maps where you're likely to need some range other than your AT rocket.

Since I have no competitions where I have to worry about the possibility that I won't be able to access my unlocks, I don't have any qualms about using them and certainly don't see any reason not to when they would provide me an advantage over the stock gun. Isn't that the whole point?

Sorrenart wrote:

I don't see why people dislike unlocks. They're supposed to be sidegrades to the stock weapons (at least, this is what I was told) and so aren't any better or worse overall.

Well, some of them may not be, but the choice between three different guns is better than being forced into using only one, isn't it? So having unlocks is an advantage. Not much of one, sure, but still an advantage. That's why I don't use 'em. Battlefield, at least the way I see it, is supposed to be a contest of skill. If I only win this contest because I had an upgrade for playing a long time, what's the point?
It's like hacks. I don't use hacks, because I don't want an unfair advantage. I don't use unlocks, because I don't want an unfair advantage.

Not that I'm comparing anyone who uses unlocks to people who use aimbots or whatever, though. You're allowed to. I don't mind.

I like the unlocks, but I still like to use stock weapons too.  It depends on my mood I guess.  I don't really watch my stats  so for me, its more about aesthetics than anything else.  I like the sound of the G3, it sounds powerful, but I hate that it doesn't have a grenade launcher.  Love the scope on the L86A1, great for sniping and close/medium on auto.  Dao is awesome in really close quarters.  But my favorite weapon right now is one of the most poorly-rated: the m16 with the grenade launcher.  Love how it looks and sounds and the 3 round burst.  I wish they made the Euro-weapons available as unlocks though.  Man I love those guns!  Especially the anti-tank, and medic guns...

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Glad to see it's 84% in favour of unlocks, that's as it should be IMO.

xintegrityx wrote:

I don't understand why clans and the like insist on using stock weapons; they're not always evenly matched.

Exactly.

Personally I thought this was a stupid idea the first time I read of it (here, a few months back) and I've seen nothing that would change my mind about it. M16 v. AK-101 up close: less powerful, burst only v. something with full auto AND with that much higher damage? Puh-lease. Sniper v. sniper? You've got the SVD against the M24, oooh, that's so fair to the MEC team. Sure, you get to change seats in the next round but that's beside the point, the same situations won't necessarily crop up.

xintegrityx wrote:

To me it would be far more even to make all players use, say, first-tier unlocks. Then all players on both teams are using the exact same weapons.

Excellent point. Then you'd have like v. like all the time so there's no excuses.

if you shoot like you are supposed to (to the head) then it doesnt matter what gun it is. its all about skill. i take people down with aks up close with the m16 almost everytime. u just have to aim to the head and they go down on the first burst.

Diogenese wrote:

N)!(NDarkDragon wrote:

I only use the sniper unlocks. The other unlocks are for retards.

This post clearly defines who is retarded...
Look it up in Websters.  It means to be set back, and w/ out some unlocks, and an ignorance to call others retards for some personal choice, is set back.
Your set back!  Flame retardant-hole.

All Im sayin is in my opinion and the opinion of 99% of the people in my clan unlocks are lame. The G3 and PKM are 2 good examples. Strongest and lamest guns in the game. What skill does it take to use them? None. You just point and click and you just killed a whole squad of people.

ig88 wrote:

if you shoot like you are supposed to (to the head) then it doesnt matter what gun it is. its all about skill. i take people down with aks up close with the m16 almost everytime. u just have to aim to the head and they go down on the first burst.

Fair enough, we know that's the ideal. But not everyone can do this all the time.

N)!(NDarkDragon wrote:

All Im sayin is in my opinion and the opinion of 99% of the people in my clan unlocks are lame.

So? Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And just because a majority of people (especially a majority in a select group like this) think a certain way doesn't make the opinion any more valid; there are a whole bunch of people who insist that evolution is a lie, just because there are many of them does that mean it's true?

N)!(NDarkDragon wrote:

The G3 and PKM are 2 good examples. Strongest and lamest guns in the game. What skill does it take to use them? None. You just point and click and you just killed a whole squad of people.

Seriously, if you can find me someone who can regularly take down "an entire squad" with the G3 then I'd like to meet him and get tips on how to get six headshots while under fire... I've met guys toting the G3 that couldn't take down one sniper when they needed to, much less six guys with automatic weapons all firing at him simultaneously

And just how exactly do you justify that you'll use the unlocks for sniping? Does that make you lame and a retard too? Or is that just other people, or just for other weapons types? Sheesh.

Sorrenart wrote:

Well I feel that the whole point is that they're supposed to provide you with an advantage in certain situations.

So playing longer means you should get an advantage? Why should time played be important in combat? Shouldn't it be about who is actually better, not who played longer and has a better gun?

Maybe I'm misreading you, but it feels like you're like saying that because you know how to fly a helicopter, it's unfair to people who haven't spent the time to learn. But meh.

It's more because you've played the game longer, you get a free helicopter. You don't have to do a single thing but play the game, and you get rewards.


People complain if they catch someone using an aimbot, which provides an unfair advantage, but they're ready and willing to use unlocks, which are also unfair. Seems wierd to me, really.

If I could have the AK101 with every kit, i would never use an unlock. As it is, PKM, DAO, G3.

Noop-Ni wrote:

So playing longer means you should get an advantage?

Just having played longer is already an advantage. There's no fair or unfair about that.

Noop-Ni wrote:

Shouldn't it be about who is actually better, not who played longer and has a better gun?

I know you're making the point about unlocks but don't know about you but I tend to get better the longer I do something (within limits obviously). So take two guys who are about the same in terms of smarts and reflexes, give one the game last year and on the beginning of this month and which of them is likely to play better?

Noop-Ni wrote:

People complain if they catch someone using an aimbot, which provides an unfair advantage, but they're ready and willing to use unlocks...

There's no way you can legitimately compare an outright cheat like an aimbot with the concept of an unlock!

The tier-two unlocks, those can be considered unfair because you have to buy SF (or know the workaround, which isn't obvious) to get them and you then can use them in vanilla. Sure, some of the tier-two guns aren't brilliant but the L96A1 is the only example you need to give of the advantage they can provide.

I will use the unlocks only, unless I'm playing engineer. The engineer stock weapons are just lovely.

Of course not, as a clan match player its good to keep up the skills on the basic weapons.