IMHO PC game developers have the WORST time making a game compared to all the console machiens out there. Look how many different computer components there are runnign today, and everyone of them wants to play bf2. Right now there are very few games that currently utilize all that SLI grafix power. Some even run worse in SLI than single GPU mode.
I've been a die hard PC gamer all my life...went through every 3D acceleration stage the pc has been through, over payed for 90% of it cause i had to have it NOW...was it worth it? Heck yeah! PC game graphics looked better than XBOX360 4 years ago...maybe even longer...if you had the proper setup!
The problem at hand is that developers need a minimum system requirement that will A) Be compatible with as many computers as possible so they dont have to upgrade and thus give the game high volume sales numbers. B) Look freakin awesome for the ones that DO have the latest hardware.
RIght now, I dont feel like BF2 looks as freakin awesome as it should on my athlon 4800, 2x Geforce 7800GTX OC, wtih 2gig ram. Sure my rig starts the game and loads a map before some of my friends are even into the menu system, But even after I manually edited the config file for detail levels of 4 (not 3 that the game sets...4= Ultra High) screen resolution of 2048x1536 with 4x AA and AAF smooth out some of the jaggies and funny crosshatched textures and i can see 70-99 frames/second being rendered...there are still jagged curves all over the place (look at wheels on jeeps, or barrels of the tank guns for example) Is it going to make gameplay any better to make the jagged hexagons be the round circles they should? probably not, but why should Nvidia keep make faster more powerful gpu chipsets capable of rendering 50bazillion polygons a second if the developers cant utilize that? My uncle has been in the gaming grafix business for 15+ years...starting on Amiga working for konami and jealeco and mattel and EA. Latest work by him can be seen in Fight Night Round 3 on the xbox360...Take a look at Roy Jones Jr. Probably one of the best looking models in the game...but notice, not all the models look as good
Now I feel like I'm the one getting punished for having the latest and greatest, but the games are still being written for hardware from 2 years ago.
That 1.7ghz minimum requirement was brand new to the market 2nd quarter 2001! Its now 2nd quarter 2006! WHY the heck is that c omputer even being considered for playing games?
Pentium 4 2.2ghz was introduced in Feb 2002.
Pentium 4 3.2ghz was introduced in June 2003.
PC Games are not for everyone. Consoles are the solution for the masses. If you cant justify spending a grand on upgrades to play a $50 game, maybe you should leave your computer for posting on forums and writing word documents and go play on the kid's console.
All these guys at work keep boasting about how amazing the grafix on the xbox360 are...well...I am not yet impressed. All the promo footage/screenshots/whatever that i've seen in print, on the net, or on commercials are pre-rendered still shots, or scripted animations that are created on a pc, rendered to a video, then loaded in the game as a cut scene, or seen in a commercial. FALSE ADVERTISEMENTS I SAY!!! The only reason an xbox360 game will EVER (which it wont) look better than a pc version of the same game is A) producer of the game wants it marketed for the console B) developers dont have mixed requirements they need to fulfill..they know what the console can do and how to utilize it the best and tehy can...pc game developers dont have that luxury..they have to worry about the old computers that want to play too
Don't bitch that your computer can't handle it...Gaming computers should come with 11 month expiration dates on them! Can't you come up with 5-10% of your yearly salary to keep your computer up to date every year? That should be a priority!
I'm done..hopefully someone got something out of this, other than "SchmilK an ass".
I've been a die hard PC gamer all my life...went through every 3D acceleration stage the pc has been through, over payed for 90% of it cause i had to have it NOW...was it worth it? Heck yeah! PC game graphics looked better than XBOX360 4 years ago...maybe even longer...if you had the proper setup!
The problem at hand is that developers need a minimum system requirement that will A) Be compatible with as many computers as possible so they dont have to upgrade and thus give the game high volume sales numbers. B) Look freakin awesome for the ones that DO have the latest hardware.
RIght now, I dont feel like BF2 looks as freakin awesome as it should on my athlon 4800, 2x Geforce 7800GTX OC, wtih 2gig ram. Sure my rig starts the game and loads a map before some of my friends are even into the menu system, But even after I manually edited the config file for detail levels of 4 (not 3 that the game sets...4= Ultra High) screen resolution of 2048x1536 with 4x AA and AAF smooth out some of the jaggies and funny crosshatched textures and i can see 70-99 frames/second being rendered...there are still jagged curves all over the place (look at wheels on jeeps, or barrels of the tank guns for example) Is it going to make gameplay any better to make the jagged hexagons be the round circles they should? probably not, but why should Nvidia keep make faster more powerful gpu chipsets capable of rendering 50bazillion polygons a second if the developers cant utilize that? My uncle has been in the gaming grafix business for 15+ years...starting on Amiga working for konami and jealeco and mattel and EA. Latest work by him can be seen in Fight Night Round 3 on the xbox360...Take a look at Roy Jones Jr. Probably one of the best looking models in the game...but notice, not all the models look as good
Now I feel like I'm the one getting punished for having the latest and greatest, but the games are still being written for hardware from 2 years ago.
That 1.7ghz minimum requirement was brand new to the market 2nd quarter 2001! Its now 2nd quarter 2006! WHY the heck is that c omputer even being considered for playing games?
Pentium 4 2.2ghz was introduced in Feb 2002.
Pentium 4 3.2ghz was introduced in June 2003.
PC Games are not for everyone. Consoles are the solution for the masses. If you cant justify spending a grand on upgrades to play a $50 game, maybe you should leave your computer for posting on forums and writing word documents and go play on the kid's console.
All these guys at work keep boasting about how amazing the grafix on the xbox360 are...well...I am not yet impressed. All the promo footage/screenshots/whatever that i've seen in print, on the net, or on commercials are pre-rendered still shots, or scripted animations that are created on a pc, rendered to a video, then loaded in the game as a cut scene, or seen in a commercial. FALSE ADVERTISEMENTS I SAY!!! The only reason an xbox360 game will EVER (which it wont) look better than a pc version of the same game is A) producer of the game wants it marketed for the console B) developers dont have mixed requirements they need to fulfill..they know what the console can do and how to utilize it the best and tehy can...pc game developers dont have that luxury..they have to worry about the old computers that want to play too
Don't bitch that your computer can't handle it...Gaming computers should come with 11 month expiration dates on them! Can't you come up with 5-10% of your yearly salary to keep your computer up to date every year? That should be a priority!
I'm done..hopefully someone got something out of this, other than "SchmilK an ass".
Last edited by SchmilK (2006-08-29 16:18:23)
