BF2S Forums Do you believe in God?

Have we reached that there is no evidence FOR or AGAINST the existence at this point? If so, then we have reached the primetime of debate where I'm not being told authoritatively that He is non-existent. When nobodys beliefs are being attempted to be changed, we got a stalemate which is where I believe this topic will end. Saying that:

True or False- There is no evidence to prove or disprove the existence of God.

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

In God We Trust

That crap has gotta be taken out of there. Fucking idiots that put all the god we trust shit in around 1955.

Mike_J wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

As soon as you explain the existence of an intangible 'being' such as 'god', through scientific means. I love the way many of us simple humans insist on the fact something has to start when in fact it is equally possible that it exists perpetually.

Science shows us that effect is the result of cause.  Therefore, something can't occur from nothingness.  "Something" occurs out of reason.  I'm willing to bet that science has the potential to one day show us how the universe developed, but it will never show us how it originated from nothingness.  Why is it that some people can't grasp the concept of religion PROGRESSING with the help of science rather than assuming that God does not exist.  That's pretty unscientific for one to assume God doesn't exist because science has yet to prove or deny the existence of God.  I can't see how science ever will be able to do so.  Ever consider that everything, including science, is a creation of God?  Why is it acceptable for science to be wrong at times and not so for religion?  By all means if some religious belief is proven wrong through science, then God does not exist and religion has no place in our society.  Yet, science can claim the world is flat one day and round the next without absolute denial of science.  Much how I wouldn't believe the world is flat today, I also wouldn't believe that I will attain favor with God by ascetic practices, but I still believe in God.  Compare religions to great scientific minds, some are right and wrong about different things.  What I'm trying to get at is that people need to rethink this arguement and find a medium.  There are alot of religious beliefs that make sense, especially those complimented with science.  Science alone is simple to accept because it constantly changes and progresses, why some people choose to assume that religion can't is beyond me.

Renowned scientists (such as Stephen Hawking) have put forward ideas, which are held in high regard amongst many of the scientific community, that space-time could well be finite but with no boundaries - put in laymans terms this would mean that there would never have been a beginning and no moment of creation.

Mike_J wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Renowned scientists (such as Stephen Hawking) have put forward ideas, which are held in high regard amongst many of the scientific community, that space-time could well be finite but with no boundaries - put in laymans terms this would mean that there would never have been a beginning and no moment of creation.

Renowned scientists also believe in God (such as Albert Einstein).  Maybe that theory you stated is the truth too, but I don't see how it denounces God.  I can see how it denounces some religious beliefs.

It doesn't directly denouce god. It just does away with the whole notion of it being necessary for there to have been a moment of creation. It DOES mean that there could well have been something originating from nothing.

Mike_J wrote:

Science shows us that effect is the result of cause.  Therefore, something can't occur from nothingness.  "Something" occurs out of reason.  I'm willing to bet that science has the potential to one day show us how the universe developed, but it will never show us how it originated from nothingness.

That it exactly what that theory states. That something did originate from nothing, that the universe has been forever. Which was another of your claims where you stated science would not show the universe had always been.

There is no God, Mr. Razor will help me explain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor

Choose what you want to believe, but believing doesn't prove existence. Religions that try and force their views on you, Christianity for example, are what made me not go to church with my friend when he asked me.

It's way more logical to believe that the elements were the cause of our creation. That, by chance, a series of events led to our birth and our evolution, than to believe some super being created everything and had the forsight to map everything down to the detail that creates all laws and all things within the known universe.

The universe is a scary thing, to be honest. The question of where it came from, where it's going and what our part in it will never be answered as we simply don't have enough time to do so. We're a semi adaptable species, but we'll never be able to survive indefinately. Either war will kill us, or a big rock from the sky will flatten us, our species and everything we've ever created will slowly decay.

I don't believe that believers should stop believing. It's your right to believe whatever you want. But, saying that there is a God with no real proof other than a book that has been rewritten so many times, and is simply stories of wackjobs (like the Mormon Bible), proves nothing.

I'm sure if there's a God, he's smart enough to stay away from our pathetic civilization. We've nothing to offer, nothing more to learn and we're all on a collision course amongst each other.

But, aliens do exist. There is no possible way that there aren't other speicies out there just living out their lives. With infinate numbers of planets, stars, and galaxies out there, to believe that there aren't any others is by far the most idiotic view in the history of history's history. I think you get my drift.

Oh yeah, and like I've said before, God is the creation of Kings and Noblemen from far back to create control over their populous. With the threat of Hell in their minds, people acted better, for the most part, and it helped pave the way to civilized countries. If nobody ever heard of Heaven/Hell/God/whatever, then there'd be anarchy because everyone would do whatever the hell they wanted to. Using the Bible over them, that God was constantly judging their every move, the rulers kept everyone under their grip.

Last edited by Jenkinsbball (2006-09-01 10:05:56)

I'm an athiëst, or whatever the Christian worlds like to call it. Like Muslims call us infedels.

I do not believe because I simply do not believe in - what are in my eyes - fairytailes.

Jenkinsbball wrote:

Bernadictus wrote:

I'm an athiëst, or whatever the Christian worlds like to call it. Like Muslims call us infedels.

I do not believe because I simply do not believe in - what are in my eyes - fairytailes.

You say you don't believe what you can't see, if I'm reading that correctly. But, our brains interpret electrical impules and signals. Who's to say that we're not really in a Matrix of some sort. I'm not saying that machines use us for power, but, we could all be some sort of experiment. In fact, we could all be the same person, a figment of someone's imiagination. We all act, think, and are the way we are because he created us like that in his head. So, he is our God, the one that thought us up. We think we all have destinies and are our own person, but it is simply what he's putting into our brains. We're doing his every bidding!! Like me, I'm doing him right now... really!!

That idea isn't as far fetched as there being a God.

And he just said god was far fetched. Logic would dictate he won't be subscribing the the matrix theory any time soon.

Besides, his only reference to eyesight was a metaphorical expression for his viewpoint.

I have never yet met an Athiest who will sell me their soul when pen and paper has been placed infront of them..

IG-Calibre wrote:

I have never yet met an Athiest who will sell me their soul when pen and paper has been placed infront of them..

How much are you offering?

Noobzorz wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

I have never yet met an Athiest who will sell me their soul when pen and paper has been placed infront of them..

Enter pascals wager.

Further, go to a non-Christian country and attempt that.

Or, better yet, offer someone a million dollars, or even a thousand.

I take Pay Pal.


(EDIT:  Besides, you'd be straight off to hell for that behaviour, wouldn't you now, Mr. Religious?)

I might be a bit rusty, but what has Pascals wager got to do with Athiest's selling their soul? Pascal was a gambler who reckoned that it made more sense to bet that their was a God instead of there not being a God. but calling me Mr.Religious made me smile..

(SGS)Pvt.Kosak wrote:

Yes I Believe In God.I Sometimes Go To Church But Not Much.

Would you not consider going to the temple to worship Zeus instead?

DesertFox423 wrote:

I hope you have a nice stay in hell then, CP.

I hope you have a nice stay in Zeus hell then, DF.