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lowing wrote:

Any chance you will recognize that it is NOT 40 years ago, or 200 years ago? I asked the question as society is TODAY and once again the tap dancing starts. I have always recognized white violence and discrimination in the past, you are preaching to the choir on that issue. TODAY, I am talking about TODAY... Now are you going to answer the question or not?? I think if truth be told, you will not answer the question because the truth will blow all of your posts right out of the window. So you are right to keep dancing around it.

Right, I think what we should all start doing is constructing our arguments in a fashion that says "I'm right, there's no room for any other opinion, because mine is the only way it works. Anyone who disagrees is simply wrong."

It's not 40 years ago, or 200. You're right about that! Are you suggesting that the past bears no weight on the present? Maybe if you gave us all a lot of real cheap liquor and let us own casino's like you did for your most recent genocide victims, we'd be a little more quiet about it. So far we have Watts, Terrace, Magnolia and Brooklyn. Thanks!

And how about those mentally handicapped people!? I mean what a joke, just because you were born with a handicap in life, albeit a physical one rather than a cultural disadvantage in our society, doesn't mean you should get extra help right!? I mean shit, if someone couldn't afford your education, you've earned the right to let them live in poverty and keep your foot on their heads right?



@Kracker

No, I'm not openly admitting I'm inferior to anyone. And clearly not to you. It's not as if I'm totally unqualified, but I don't have a long list of expensive private schools on my transcript, and I wasn't given a very good highschool education at all. Though at this point I'm fairly certain I'm better educated than you'll ever end up being. I've maintained a 3.9 GPA throughout college, how about you? The difference is, a kid from the poverty minority class, living in Brooklyn Park doesn't have the same opportunities as you kind people do in Laguna Beach. Believe it or not, life is a little harder when your parents don't babysit you until you're 40.

When I applied to the school I attend now, I didn't have a long list of extracurricular activities or community service that major universities look for. It's a competitive business, getting into college, but my school and community simply didn't cater to those types of things. Does that mean I lack the work ethic or intelligence to make something of myself if I'm given a chance? Clearly it doesn't.




Lowing this is the part you should be paying close attention to when bringing up the subject of affirmative action. It gives good people a fighting chance. Do you know anyone personally that you feel was cheated out of a job by someone who is utterly unqualified to the position? Did you grow up in a household that earned less than $9k a year, and never took welfare? Did you grow up having friends shot or stabbed because they wouldn't buy crack? Were you ever put in a position to make a choice between life and death? During high-school? I apologize if I'm underestimating you, but I know I'm not. If I was I think you'd understand why affirmative action isn't the evil tool of the liberals that you think it is.

White people have all the wealth in this country. Not all the money, but all the real wealth. The power to bring real change to their communities and create jobs for other people. When you control the wealth and the jobs, you control our lives. Would it kill you to give someone else a chance? It's not a matter of undeserving people getting a leg-up on deserving people. It's a matter of people who deserve the chance to make something better of their lives, getting the opportunity to do so, from a situation that would have otherwise prevented them.

The fact is, you guys seem about as stereotypically white as it can get. Totally oblivious to real social issues in your own country, because you're too afraid to look at it. Your people are afraid of mine. You'll jump out of planes, put your heads in tigers' mouths, and wrestle crocodiles...but you won't walk through Oakland after 10pm. You're afraid of what would happen if the people you oppressed for hundreds of years ever finally got their way and were able to compete with you. Look at the "epidemic" of black culture seeping into mainstream white culture. I have classmates white as snow saying things like "Wuddup cuzz?", "Holla", and "Cheaaaa". "Wuddup cuzz" is a greeting crips use with each other, not a way to address your mother's sibling's child. So not only is it embarrassing when they do it, its embarrassing because they're using it wrong. The worst part is that they're totally oblivious to it most of the time. Sure there are a few white kids that grew up in the same situations I did. I've got a tremendous amount of respect for those guys because they really have even worse odds in the hood than we do. They speak ebonics, they wear Fubu, they listen to rap, and often gangbang with some of the hardest OG's on the set. They're real. The kid that tries to freestyle rap and sound like Eminem during your lunch break, is not real. He's a poser trying to capitalize on a culture rooted heavily in passion and style. I can't hate on people like that for trying, but I will hate on people like that for trying TOO HARD.


Racism today is a result of the racism in the past. "Get over it" just won't cut it. You're right, I wasn't a slave. And you never owned slaves. The trouble is, the system that your ancestors who did live through this all, still applies to you and I today. We're barely breaking the surface in regards to finding racial equality. I wouldn't expect you to understand though. With the complete lack of personal experience in the subject, how could you?

Great post Not..........I couldn't have said it better myself


Jusster

It was meant to be a statement about racial norms and acceptable limits based on life experience. But I liked the Everlast joke. Very clever.

Not wrote:

lowing wrote:

Any chance you will recognize that it is NOT 40 years ago, or 200 years ago? I asked the question as society is TODAY and once again the tap dancing starts. I have always recognized white violence and discrimination in the past, you are preaching to the choir on that issue. TODAY, I am talking about TODAY... Now are you going to answer the question or not?? I think if truth be told, you will not answer the question because the truth will blow all of your posts right out of the window. So you are right to keep dancing around it.

Right, I think what we should all start doing is constructing our arguments in a fashion that says "I'm right, there's no room for any other opinion, because mine is the only way it works. Anyone who disagrees is simply wrong."

It's not 40 years ago, or 200. You're right about that! Are you suggesting that the past bears no weight on the present? Maybe if you gave us all a lot of real cheap liquor and let us own casino's like you did for your most recent genocide victims, we'd be a little more quiet about it. So far we have Watts, Terrace, Magnolia and Brooklyn. Thanks!

And how about those mentally handicapped people!? I mean what a joke, just because you were born with a handicap in life, albeit a physical one rather than a cultural disadvantage in our society, doesn't mean you should get extra help right!? I mean shit, if someone couldn't afford your education, you've earned the right to let them live in poverty and keep your foot on their heads right?



@Kracker

No, I'm not openly admitting I'm inferior to anyone. And clearly not to you. It's not as if I'm totally unqualified, but I don't have a long list of expensive private schools on my transcript, and I wasn't given a very good highschool education at all. Though at this point I'm fairly certain I'm better educated than you'll ever end up being. I've maintained a 3.9 GPA throughout college, how about you? The difference is, a kid from the poverty minority class, living in Brooklyn Park doesn't have the same opportunities as you kind people do in Laguna Beach. Believe it or not, life is a little harder when your parents don't babysit you until you're 40.

When I applied to the school I attend now, I didn't have a long list of extracurricular activities or community service that major universities look for. It's a competitive business, getting into college, but my school and community simply didn't cater to those types of things. Does that mean I lack the work ethic or intelligence to make something of myself if I'm given a chance? Clearly it doesn't.




Lowing this is the part you should be paying close attention to when bringing up the subject of affirmative action. It gives good people a fighting chance. Do you know anyone personally that you feel was cheated out of a job by someone who is utterly unqualified to the position? Did you grow up in a household that earned less than $9k a year, and never took welfare? Did you grow up having friends shot or stabbed because they wouldn't buy crack? Were you ever put in a position to make a choice between life and death? During high-school? I apologize if I'm underestimating you, but I know I'm not. If I was I think you'd understand why affirmative action isn't the evil tool of the liberals that you think it is.

White people have all the wealth in this country. Not all the money, but all the real wealth. The power to bring real change to their communities and create jobs for other people. When you control the wealth and the jobs, you control our lives. Would it kill you to give someone else a chance? It's not a matter of undeserving people getting a leg-up on deserving people. It's a matter of people who deserve the chance to make something better of their lives, getting the opportunity to do so, from a situation that would have otherwise prevented them.

The fact is, you guys seem about as stereotypically white as it can get. Totally oblivious to real social issues in your own country, because you're too afraid to look at it. Your people are afraid of mine. You'll jump out of planes, put your heads in tigers' mouths, and wrestle crocodiles...but you won't walk through Oakland after 10pm. You're afraid of what would happen if the people you oppressed for hundreds of years ever finally got their way and were able to compete with you. Look at the "epidemic" of black culture seeping into mainstream white culture. I have classmates white as snow saying things like "Wuddup cuzz?", "Holla", and "Cheaaaa". "Wuddup cuzz" is a greeting crips use with each other, not a way to address your mother's sibling's child. So not only is it embarrassing when they do it, its embarrassing because they're using it wrong. The worst part is that they're totally oblivious to it most of the time. Sure there are a few white kids that grew up in the same situations I did. I've got a tremendous amount of respect for those guys because they really have even worse odds in the hood than we do. They speak ebonics, they wear Fubu, they listen to rap, and often gangbang with some of the hardest OG's on the set. They're real. The kid that tries to freestyle rap and sound like Eminem during your lunch break, is not real. He's a poser trying to capitalize on a culture rooted heavily in passion and style. I can't hate on people like that for trying, but I will hate on people like that for trying TOO HARD.


Racism today is a result of the racism in the past. "Get over it" just won't cut it. You're right, I wasn't a slave. And you never owned slaves. The trouble is, the system that your ancestors who did live through this all, still applies to you and I today. We're barely breaking the surface in regards to finding racial equality. I wouldn't expect you to understand though. With the complete lack of personal experience in the subject, how could you?

Great post, I agree for the most part.

I have a couple of thoughts though.

You grew up in "the hood", yet you  are in/were in college at a 3.9 GPA, you my friend do not need affirmative action to meet your goals. You have your ambition, your education. After reading your post I don''t picture you as the type of person wearing a ton of "bling" with your over sized pants half way around your ass. I have said it 1000 times, I would hire a person that has your obvious qualities over any white trash. Skin color doesn't matter. My faults in this issue, as I have admitted to several times is, I judge people on appearance. I could easily pass up a brain surgeon for a gas station attendant based on appearance..I admit that, however, that isn't racist though, is it??

I also  have social prejudices, you mention Watts, Terrace, Magnolia and Brooklyn. Why are these neighborhoods in the shape they are in? Who drug these neighborhoods down? The white man? Who in these neighborhoods are doing the actual buying and sell of drugs? You are the perfect example as to why things do not have to stay the way they are in neighborhoods like these. Would the "hood" remain the "hood" if the majority of the people living there cared, or was half as ambitious as you obviously are? Personal responsibility is the answer. You accept that, and you do not need welfare or affirmative action. If you have read my posts in other threads, all the BS in the world comes down to personal responsibility.

I also am a huge fan of helping those that help themselves ( as well as those that can't, my response to your handicapped paragraph)  through social programs. Affirmative action does not do this. It provides opportunities yes, but  to a lot of  people that have not earned the right to be there. You have earned all the opportunities your education and drive have afforded you.

You talk as if poor white people can easily transition from poverty to middle class. I don't see it. I think white people in the hole have just as much rope to claim as black people. Am I naive about this?

As far as the "posers" go, all I can say on this is, it appears that any white kid that does the same as a black kid will earn , for better or for worse, the same end results based on their actions. You are going to act like a gang banger you will be treated like one, you go to school and get educated, you will likewise, be treated like you went to school and got educated. I don't see the racial bias there.

Average America, white or black really doesn't see color anymore, we are growing, and in a positive direction. I feel people must recognize that and help the growth by letting the past go and look toward where we are heading. I also feel that the vast majority of whatever residual racism is still around is festered by extremists on both sides. Jesse Jackson would have to actually go get a job if he didn't keep fanning the racial flames in America.

As proven in this thread, everyone is eager to blame the "white man" for their failings or personal short comings. They seem to forget that there are poor white trash and shitty trailer parks everywhere as well. They are so anxious to throw a racist flag on every issue, I suppose it might be because as soon as the race card is thrown everyone scatters to the wood work ( except me I guess) and they feel they are left with the victory. Like the issue with illegal immigrants. I have been called a racists because I favor securing our borders. Oh well.


Your statement about white people having all the wealth could be construed as racial in its own right. Perhaps the white people that have it, earned it. Much like Bill Cosby, or Oprah, or Colon Powell or Condi Rice. These people have the power and wealth that brings change. They have worked and earned their places. Too bad they are not looked at as "heroes" but as "sell outs". Hell, I think white people respect these folks more than black people do. Opinion of course.
How about, Ronald McNair, Bernard Harris, Mae C. Jemison etc...? these people are astronauts. I mention them because I am a huge aviation fan, I am an aircraft mechanic as well as a private pilot. These people are living my dream, to go into space would be an experience I would love to to know, but I never will. These folks have. I am white, they are black, the "white man" didn't keep me or them down. My lack of drive or motivation kept me down, there passion, drive and ambition earned them the title of astronaut.

Another point as to why I mention these people, you probably have never heard of them, but we all know who Snoop Doggy Dog is, and Tupac, and Biggy. These are the heroes for our youth, not firemen or doctors or astronauts, but gang bangers. How far is worshiping a gang banger gunna get you? Personal responsibility and choices starts pretty early.

Bottom line......The "white man" isn't keeping anyone down. The "white man" is a convenient excuse as to why someone doesn't pick THEMSELVES up!

Ain't personal responsibility a bitch??!!

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

Not wrote:

lowing wrote:

Any chance you will recognize that it is NOT 40 years ago, or 200 years ago? I asked the question as society is TODAY and once again the tap dancing starts. I have always recognized white violence and discrimination in the past, you are preaching to the choir on that issue. TODAY, I am talking about TODAY... Now are you going to answer the question or not?? I think if truth be told, you will not answer the question because the truth will blow all of your posts right out of the window. So you are right to keep dancing around it.

Right, I think what we should all start doing is constructing our arguments in a fashion that says "I'm right, there's no room for any other opinion, because mine is the only way it works. Anyone who disagrees is simply wrong."

It's not 40 years ago, or 200. You're right about that! Are you suggesting that the past bears no weight on the present? Maybe if you gave us all a lot of real cheap liquor and let us own casino's like you did for your most recent genocide victims, we'd be a little more quiet about it. So far we have Watts, Terrace, Magnolia and Brooklyn. Thanks!

And how about those mentally handicapped people!? I mean what a joke, just because you were born with a handicap in life, albeit a physical one rather than a cultural disadvantage in our society, doesn't mean you should get extra help right!? I mean shit, if someone couldn't afford your education, you've earned the right to let them live in poverty and keep your foot on their heads right?



@Kracker

No, I'm not openly admitting I'm inferior to anyone. And clearly not to you. It's not as if I'm totally unqualified, but I don't have a long list of expensive private schools on my transcript, and I wasn't given a very good highschool education at all. Though at this point I'm fairly certain I'm better educated than you'll ever end up being. I've maintained a 3.9 GPA throughout college, how about you? The difference is, a kid from the poverty minority class, living in Brooklyn Park doesn't have the same opportunities as you kind people do in Laguna Beach. Believe it or not, life is a little harder when your parents don't babysit you until you're 40.

When I applied to the school I attend now, I didn't have a long list of extracurricular activities or community service that major universities look for. It's a competitive business, getting into college, but my school and community simply didn't cater to those types of things. Does that mean I lack the work ethic or intelligence to make something of myself if I'm given a chance? Clearly it doesn't.




Lowing this is the part you should be paying close attention to when bringing up the subject of affirmative action. It gives good people a fighting chance. Do you know anyone personally that you feel was cheated out of a job by someone who is utterly unqualified to the position? Did you grow up in a household that earned less than $9k a year, and never took welfare? Did you grow up having friends shot or stabbed because they wouldn't buy crack? Were you ever put in a position to make a choice between life and death? During high-school? I apologize if I'm underestimating you, but I know I'm not. If I was I think you'd understand why affirmative action isn't the evil tool of the liberals that you think it is.

White people have all the wealth in this country. Not all the money, but all the real wealth. The power to bring real change to their communities and create jobs for other people. When you control the wealth and the jobs, you control our lives. Would it kill you to give someone else a chance? It's not a matter of undeserving people getting a leg-up on deserving people. It's a matter of people who deserve the chance to make something better of their lives, getting the opportunity to do so, from a situation that would have otherwise prevented them.

The fact is, you guys seem about as stereotypically white as it can get. Totally oblivious to real social issues in your own country, because you're too afraid to look at it. Your people are afraid of mine. You'll jump out of planes, put your heads in tigers' mouths, and wrestle crocodiles...but you won't walk through Oakland after 10pm. You're afraid of what would happen if the people you oppressed for hundreds of years ever finally got their way and were able to compete with you. Look at the "epidemic" of black culture seeping into mainstream white culture. I have classmates white as snow saying things like "Wuddup cuzz?", "Holla", and "Cheaaaa". "Wuddup cuzz" is a greeting crips use with each other, not a way to address your mother's sibling's child. So not only is it embarrassing when they do it, its embarrassing because they're using it wrong. The worst part is that they're totally oblivious to it most of the time. Sure there are a few white kids that grew up in the same situations I did. I've got a tremendous amount of respect for those guys because they really have even worse odds in the hood than we do. They speak ebonics, they wear Fubu, they listen to rap, and often gangbang with some of the hardest OG's on the set. They're real. The kid that tries to freestyle rap and sound like Eminem during your lunch break, is not real. He's a poser trying to capitalize on a culture rooted heavily in passion and style. I can't hate on people like that for trying, but I will hate on people like that for trying TOO HARD.


Racism today is a result of the racism in the past. "Get over it" just won't cut it. You're right, I wasn't a slave. And you never owned slaves. The trouble is, the system that your ancestors who did live through this all, still applies to you and I today. We're barely breaking the surface in regards to finding racial equality. I wouldn't expect you to understand though. With the complete lack of personal experience in the subject, how could you?

lowing, I think you just got LWNED.

Pleae don't start with that PWNED bullshit again shipbuilder. It really is wayy beneath you. Save it for Jusster.

lowing wrote:

If the lessons from the past have been learned and society has been moving to correct itself, then the reminders really don't need to be in your face. The wrong doings of white society 200 -40 years ago has been acknowleged and accepted. The ship is now righting itself, for people to keep punching holes in it really isn't helping anything.

If on the other hand, we still had "whites only" signs posted everywhere, I would tend to agree with you.

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Sorry lowing, but the reminders of the past are there for a reason.  To make sure that they never happen again.  I don't see any NEW all black organizations poping up because for once you have stated something that was actually correct.  Times are changing for the better and a lot of progress has been made.  But there is still more work to be done.

Good to see you coming around though..............

Oh yeah........save that for Jusster? 


Jusster

lowing wrote:

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

lowing, I think you just got LWNED.

Pleae don't start with that PWNED bullshit again shipbuilder. It really is wayy beneath you. Save it for Jusster.

What's the haps daddio, ain't'cha hip to the jive?

PURE LWNAGE

@ lowing

I apologize for not catching on to your opinion the right way sooner. i admit that I skipped a lot of this thread before I posted and I clearly missed your personal responsibility points. I agree with you in full there. Yes, it's a choice to sell and buy crack. Yes, we continue to perpetuate these actions as sociocultural norms, and yes I believe people should be held accountable for themselves. Also, you've hit the nail on the head when it comes to race vs. poverty. I apologize for phrasing my argument in a way that neglected to mention the white lower class. Poverty is poverty, regardless of race. The struggles are very much the same.

I think that you and I can continue this discussion, and learn quite a bit from each other as long as we realize and accept that neither of us have a crystal clear picture of the entire situation.

I'd pose this scenario to you to start things off, in regards to why the projects remain the projects, and only a few of us make it out. In a situation where poverty runs deep, the primary goal is survival. A lot of people can't imagine going for two weeks without food. It's a sad reality though, and one that I don't wish on anyone. You seem educated yourself, so imagine if you will how hard it would be to focus during high-school while your stomach has been empty for well over a week. Not to mention the other distractions that living in the projects brings. It's very difficult to rise above that, and I believe it takes a far above average effort to prevail.

Now lets say that you get home to find your mother crying, holding your eviction notice. Congratulations, you're about to be homeless on top of starving. Oh, and your mother doesn't have enough money to support the three kids she has, since their father ran off with some other woman, and is now in prison. (The authorities generally don't chase men down through other states to collect child support money, most of the time it's just let go. They certainly don't make an extra effort to help out people who can't pay a private investigator to go find him, especially when the guy isn't going to pay up anyway.)

So you step outside to think about what's going to happen nest, and a brand new Escalade rolls up to your street, and a man with a giant diamond necklace tells you to come talk to him. He offers to front you a ki to help with the bills, all you gotta do is move it in a week and bring back 70% of that money as his cut. And he promises you that the faster you keep moving it for him, the more of that cut you get to keep.

Lets crunch the numbers on this now. At the time, this dealer picks up a kilo for about $1500 in Mexico through Colombian importers. In Miami, that ki sells for $30,000. So after paying him back the 70%, plus the price he paid for it, you've just made $8550. Now not only are you not going to be homeless, you're not going to be starving either. You can afford to keep your family alive through drugs. Is it honest? No, of course not. But is it a means to survive? Yeah, sadly it is. The trouble is that the cocaine business isn't a safe one by any means. And I don't think you need personal experience with it to be able to assume such.

This is the cycle that people in the projects live through. It's very attractive. In one ki you make as much as your family does in an entire year. Anyone who's faced with breaking the law for that much money, and dying of starvation isn't going to have to think very long about that decision. The real shame, is that in these communities that easy way out has become all that's left. It creates violent turf wars, and throws to the wind any sense of lawfulness or sense of duty to your community. There are no jobs in these places because no business wants to set up shop anywhere near a place where they'll most likely just be extorted or robbed. People in the hood don't live by the laws because the laws never protected them or their families in the past. This isn't new, this is a direct result (In my experience) of a long history of cops simply not caring. It goes way back to before the civil rights movement. It was rare to ever see a black police officer. And too often, white police officers wouldn't respond to the black communities. This is often joked about by many black comedians, how if a black man calls anyone for help, the other side usually just hangs up. It's unfortunately not so much a joke as a cruel reality. It's only because of humor that a lot of people have ever even heard of that situation.

I broke through it though, but I doubt that anyone who saw a kid dressed up in 3rd generation hand-me-downs, looking like a poster-child for the "Adopt an Ethiopian" programs, with a less-than impressive high-school transcript would have considered me for admission to a University. I truly believe that it was because the school was looking for diversity that my application was considered, and approved. I know I'm qualified. I believe that after having some "dialogue" here with me, you believe I am as well. But the admissions office doesn't have a dialogue. They have an application to look at. And growing up in my situation, it wasn't very impressive. I'm sure now that they're not regretting accepting me, but I can see no reason other than affirmative action as to why I would have been selected to have been given that opportunity. It's not putting myself down, it's just honestly the way I see it.

Before I'm done with this post I'd like to address another comment made earlier (A bit off topic so it's saved for the end) about how MLK set up the road to Civil Rights. It's true, he did make very good points. He spoke well and truly challenged the moral fabric that enveloped our society at the time. However, regardless of how right he was, or how proper his methods were, he was not as effective in finally bringing about true change as Malcolm X was. It wasn't until there was violence in the streets, and fear was put in the hearts of the people, that anyone truly took this situation seriously.

Also, as far as black wealth goes. If Steve Jobs or the Phillip-Morris people woke up with Oprah's money, they'd jump into a bathtub with their TV's.

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HURLEY wrote:

i dunno if anyone has said this cause i dont have the time to go through 16 pages, but... has anyone noticed that only the word nigger is blocked?

honkey, cracker, spic, chink... none of that stuff is blocked in any servers ive been in.

They're all an instant permanent ban in mine, have been since I bought it about a month ago.

It's a very good point you brought up. Not only is the dope man putting that pressure on kids, but the other kids do just as hard. Media doesn't help a damn thing either, because being an intelligent black man isn't popular. Like you said, it IS looked at like selling out. You did some shit you regret, and believe me, so did I. I did the blunt-smokin, train-runnin, c-walkin, robbin slangin husslin lifestyle for about eight years hard. It was easy because being a minor, (For anyone reading this that doesn't know a lot about gangs) because your criminal penalties are a whole lot less than what an adult would face so gangs look for kids to run the block for them, and the shot-callers just arrange the sales. Then I got shot, seven times, and after flatlining but being brought back to life...well, I started to really question what I was gaining apart from a quick trip to death.

I left the set, and ma took the money I'd been giving her to pay rent and moved my whole family. I had a fresh start, and I hit my books as hard as I used to hit the block. It paid off.


And to clear the record, because I'm not sure I made my opinion totally clear. The reason these communities are like this, is because of the racial inequalities and injustices from years ago. However, the MAIN reason that things haven't gotten any better ISN'T because of the white-man anymore, it's because of the DOPE-man offering us an attractive, easy, quick way out. Most of them won't bother to explain just how likely your "way out" involves a casket though.

Man..........I completely feel ya on every aspect.  I don't know how old you are........but when I was a teen in the early 90's, I think gang bangin was a way of life for us all.

Hell, I was 16, gang bangin sellin dope, running guns, rollin in my Black and chrome (with blue under body to represent), 85 Chevy Blazer, dropped, with 15 X 7 inch McLeans thinkin I was livin the life.  But the fact still remained, every time I went to the club it was a shoot out in the parking lot or a brawl.  And there was aways someone wanting me dead.   All in my pursuit to fit in and think I was a man.  This lifestyle started when I was maybe 14 didn't end til around the time my first son was born, friend died (not the first but the only one I cared about), that made me realize the life I was living was a dead end.  and tha 60's surely didn't give a damn about me and the only peps who truly had my back was my family.  That was a transition between 20 and 22.

Thank God I never got shot........glad to hear your survived.

Got my ass in college..........I'm sure through affirmative action even though I managed to keep a decent B average in H.S. only because of my folks pressuring me.  Have to admit I didn't question how I got in, just thanked God that i did.

There are many more of us out there just like us, who hopefully can make a difference to the next young bra trapped in the same circumstances.  Thats what I attempt to do now.  My son is 9 and I coach a baseball team in the inner city.  I no longer live there of course...........but I coach and have my son on this team to attempt to make a difference.  Maybe they will see me as inspiration that they do not have to follow the path that both you and I know all to well.  So I try now to make a difference, how much of a difference I make, well I'm not sure.  But at least I'm giving it a shot and attempting to right my wrongs one game at a time.  I can tell by your post that you will do the same.




Jusster

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com

Pubic wrote:

I asked before, but got no response so I'll ask again.  How are white foreigners received by US blacks?

I've always been greeted warmly by them. Could be something to do with our shared past of oppression: 'No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs'. There is an empathy there. Some people say the Irish were 'the blacks of the white people'.

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