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2005-12-05 00:18:45
Mobius_One1021
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Personally, I am a special ops/ anti-tank/assault player.  I do not noob-tube, although I frequently get blown away when rounding a corner when the other guy's 5 feet away.  So here's something that should be addressed: make the GL splash damage greater.  Let the noob-tubers blow themselves away if they like, and also help the GL to have somewhat of an advantage over regular grenades (splash damage is way too small to actually do much against more than one person, while a regular grenade can clear out a flag area).

I'm npot bitching or moaning about noob-tubers, I've now learned to deal with them.  However, this would not only be more realistic and help to balance out the assault a bit better as an anti-infantry unit, it would also fix a major annoyance.
2005-12-05 07:12:56
=DS=Unit92
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Personally I'd rather the GL have an activation distance like in America's Army, if you fired it less than about 50ft it wouldn't blow up, it would do a small amount of kinetic damage if you hit the person and nothing else.
2005-12-05 07:20:45
RDMC_old
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Mobius_One1021 wrote:

Personally, I am a special ops/ anti-tank/assault player.  I do not noob-tube, although I frequently get blown away when rounding a corner when the other guy's 5 feet away.  So here's something that should be addressed: make the GL splash damage greater.  Let the noob-tubers blow themselves away if they like, and also help the GL to have somewhat of an advantage over regular grenades (splash damage is way too small to actually do much against more than one person, while a regular grenade can clear out a flag area).

I'm npot bitching or moaning about noob-tubers, I've now learned to deal with them.  However, this would not only be more realistic and help to balance out the assault a bit better as an anti-infantry unit, it would also fix a major annoyance.
really getting sick of ppl saying yur a tank whore because u ride a tank.. ur a jet whore.. you fly a jet.. you use a grenade attached to a rifle yur a noob-tuber.. ok.. now u use yur hand nade.. ok yur a noob hand nader.. u use c4.. ur a c4 noob.. stop with the fucking naming people.. why do you thing the damn thing was invented? really getting sick and tired of this shit..and about the f2000 and f2000 gl.. its a crappy gun..
2005-12-05 07:24:53
Kobrakai
Weirdo
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What he said ^^
2005-12-05 07:31:16
IlIlIlIlIl
make it funny plz
+3|7021|Netherlands
he said that the f2000 and f2000 gl is a crappy gun
2005-12-05 07:37:08
RDMC_old
Member
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IlIlIlIlIl wrote:

he said that the f2000 and f2000 gl is a crappy gun
Yes I did ^^
2005-12-05 07:38:10
atlvolunteer
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S=Unit92 wrote:

Personally I'd rather the GL have an activation distance like in America's Army, if you fired it less than about 50ft it wouldn't blow up, it would do a small amount of kinetic damage if you hit the person and nothing else.
Yeah, I personally would like to see this as well.  It would not be difficult to implement (I wouldn't think), and it would make the GLs more realistic.
2005-12-05 08:07:19
Mobius_One1021
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S=Unit92 wrote:

Personally I'd rather the GL have an activation distance like in America's Army, if you fired it less than about 50ft it wouldn't blow up, it would do a small amount of kinetic damage if you hit the person and nothing else.
That'd work, too...


And RDMC, I'm referring to noob-tubers as the damn people who blow you away from 3 feet away.  I don't really care if I get hit by a grenade launcher from a medium distance or whatever-I'll give them credit for good aim with that :-) .  And as far as everything else you mentioned, I could care less if someone only uses armor/planes/whatever.  The only thing that annoys me is when people won't let you take off in a plane or who C4 your copter when you're taking off or something.  So please, don't generalize with the "you people".
2005-12-05 08:31:40
RDMC_old
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Mobius_One1021 wrote:

S=Unit92 wrote:

Personally I'd rather the GL have an activation distance like in America's Army, if you fired it less than about 50ft it wouldn't blow up, it would do a small amount of kinetic damage if you hit the person and nothing else.
That'd work, too...


And RDMC, I'm referring to noob-tubers as the damn people who blow you away from 3 feet away.  I don't really care if I get hit by a grenade launcher from a medium distance or whatever-I'll give them credit for good aim with that :-) .  And as far as everything else you mentioned, I could care less if someone only uses armor/planes/whatever.  The only thing that annoys me is when people won't let you take off in a plane or who C4 your copter when you're taking off or something.  So please, don't generalize with the "you people".
ok sorry for that then.. but its just so annoying that i hear your a tank whore..tanks were invented for unbalancing a war.. just like aircraft and such.. and it is just so stupid that u need to call them noob-tubers.. them name them.. nade-tubers.. sounds a lot better allready.. just my opinion.. dont get personal on it when I say you people..
2005-12-05 13:10:39
Mobius_One1021
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RDMC wrote:

Mobius_One1021 wrote:

S=Unit92 wrote:

Personally I'd rather the GL have an activation distance like in America's Army, if you fired it less than about 50ft it wouldn't blow up, it would do a small amount of kinetic damage if you hit the person and nothing else.
That'd work, too...


And RDMC, I'm referring to noob-tubers as the damn people who blow you away from 3 feet away.  I don't really care if I get hit by a grenade launcher from a medium distance or whatever-I'll give them credit for good aim with that :-) .  And as far as everything else you mentioned, I could care less if someone only uses armor/planes/whatever.  The only thing that annoys me is when people won't let you take off in a plane or who C4 your copter when you're taking off or something.  So please, don't generalize with the "you people".
ok sorry for that then.. but its just so annoying that i hear your a tank whore..tanks were invented for unbalancing a war.. just like aircraft and such.. and it is just so stupid that u need to call them noob-tubers.. them name them.. nade-tubers.. sounds a lot better allready.. just my opinion.. dont get personal on it when I say you people..
LOL, it's all good dude.  I was just using the common lingo around here for that-I'm new to the forums here and just saw that as a name for this annoying problem.

I'll just call them Guys-who-M203-me-in-the-face-from-two-inches-away now :-p
2005-12-06 11:47:46
Sud
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Plane Whore is a deserved name, in the light that there is no viable counter to planes currently.

Tank Whore not really. One antitank who's not a moron and knows how to conceal himself will drive a tank off unless it has some kind of repair support. C4 gets the job done on occasion as well.

Noob toober is almost never used in reference to the PROPER use of the grenade at medium to long range. Noob toober is referred to as that skilless, negative ratio newbie, who you triple 3 times with your assault rifle who spins around and lets his grenade loose in your face, and he gets a kill for that action. Using the grenade as a melee weapon is qualifications to be called a noob toober. It's a free kill with no talent and no risk. Even if they kill themselves with it (which rarely happens), they'd still get 1:1 K/D for it, even if they did lose a couple points, better than that 0:1 they would have rightfully gotten.
2005-12-06 11:59:53
MASTA_SKILL_1
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I got killed by noob tubers who would come right up to my face and let the noob tube rip, killing me and themselves at least 10 times in the last couple of days. Thats just really stupid of them. Yes, they get credit for the kill but they lose points also. It's just really dumb and there are so many of them who do that.

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2005-12-06 12:12:03
topal63
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SO WHAT!

To the (2) posts above this. . . given a choice in an unexpected close melee between:
1.) Dying for sure by either trying to switch weapons\weapon mode (Split second reactions count here!).
OR
2.) Dying for sure by acting like a deer caught in headlights and doing nothing - or trying to evade.

I will tube-frag the both of us! It’s that simple, just me (NO WAY!); the both of us FOR SURE!

Whining about grenade-launchers is nausea inducing as other whining is as well, this one comes to mind as well:

Whiney-complaints about spawn-camping (if there is another flag SPAWN at it STUPID!)
Come back equipped with an anti-tank-kit (or as a spec-ops with C4), help take that APC or Tank out!
Why should a team NOT take out enemy troops as fast as possible when capturing a flag -
there is NO reason not to.

Last edited by topal63 (2005-12-06 12:29:23)

2005-12-06 13:46:05
blacksheepcannibal
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topal63 wrote:

SO WHAT!

To the (2) posts above this. . . given a choice in an unexpected close melee between:
1.) Dying for sure by either trying to switch weapons\weapon mode (Split second reactions count here!).
OR
2.) Dying for sure by acting like a deer caught in headlights and doing nothing - or trying to evade.

I will tube-frag the both of us! It’s that simple, just me (NO WAY!); the both of us FOR SURE!

Whining about grenade-launchers is nausea inducing as other whining is as well, this one comes to mind as well:

Whiney-complaints about spawn-camping (if there is another flag SPAWN at it STUPID!)
Come back equipped with an anti-tank-kit (or as a spec-ops with C4), help take that APC or Tank out!
Why should a team NOT take out enemy troops as fast as possible when capturing a flag -
there is NO reason not to.
Once again, it is apparently up to the BF2S Forum Dictionary to the rescue (maybe i should change my name to dictionary...)

Noob-tube : to run amok as assault class using apparently nothing but your grenade launcher. forgetting completely that there is an actual assualt rifle attached to it, these charachters will shoot a grenade at you from across the map or across the room. due to splash damage and, oh yeah, being 3 feet away, these fellows exploit the game to kill you. this is because a direct hit with the GL will kill you; splash damage from it more than likely will not. The noob tuber takes the splash damage; the victem takes the direct hit from 2 feet away.

not to be confused with johnny soldier that is carefully guageing a shot with his GL, only to be confronted face to face with an enemy; Johnny soldier simply thinks hell go down fighting so he doesnt switch to his assault rifle (this is relatively sensible, if not, easily forgiven).
2005-12-06 14:00:27
Sud
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To the (2) posts above this. . . given a choice in an unexpected close melee between:
1.) Dying for sure by either trying to switch weapons\weapon mode (Split second reactions count here!).
OR
2.) Dying for sure by acting like a deer caught in headlights and doing nothing - or trying to evade.
Hence the reason it's a FIRE SUPPORT WEAPON. You're not MEANT to run around with the grenade launcher out. It's meant to be pulled out situationally when there is a calling for it, such as dealing splash damage to hiding enemies, or when you need a weapon with a ballistic arc.

Your ASSAULT RIFLE is supposed to be your main weapon.

not to be confused with johnny soldier that is carefully guageing a shot with his GL, only to be confronted face to face with an enemy; Johnny soldier simply thinks hell go down fighting so he doesnt switch to his assault rifle (this is relatively sensible, if not, easily forgiven).
This is still exploitive because of the fact that the tube is overpowered in this situation. Do anti-tanks go around trying to melee people with rockets? No? What happens to them when they try? They usually die unless EXTREMELY lucky? That's the exact thing that should happen to an assault if he's thinking about launching a grenade across an alleyway and you catch him with his pants down.

Best solution to the noob toob is simply to give it a minimum range. If it hits floor, wall, or person before travelling the minimum distance, it lays on the floor (a la the Tribes mortar) for a few seconds before detonating.

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2005-12-07 00:22:36
TheDrNailsGuy
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I think the first post was a request to address the problem, not bitch about it.  And i believe everyone here agrees that it should be addressed right?  It would be a change to enhance the realism, and would not hurt the gameplay.

I have just learned about "nubeToobs" and realized i was one of those guys, certainly not to piss people off, just to kill them befor me.  I'm awsome with the GL, and so i usually walk around with it on, and if some guy steps in front of me, he's dead.  Sorry, that's the way it is.  If you think that your somehow better then another person for being more "realistic"  i hate to bust your bubble but noone is going to tell me how to use each weapon. 

it's a little unballenced, but if it were changed to where the splash was a little greater, am i going to start hearing the same people complain that the splash is so great it takes no skill whatsoever to hit anything at some distance? Aim anywhere and kill something. Will the damage be "too great"?

I think it would be a good change, I'm all for it, but those who cannot stand to be killed so cheaply need to stop complaining, i'm sure it's irritateing when you're in the midst of battle and a guy runs up to you and blasts you and himself away without  hesitation and snaps you back to the reality that he can do that and come back for more.  I don't like getting killed myself, but i can't blame the other guy for taking out the enemy any way he can. Even by "exsploiting" the game he has no advantage over me other than his own skill, if i'm so much better than he shouldn't be able to get close enough to me to do it anyway.

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2005-12-07 00:48:12
warco3
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Look guys, I've read thread after thread about this issue. It's a dead freakin horse. Adapt and overcome. Noobtoober_03 just got ya. What do you do? First off, DONT engage him in the same cramped alleyway you did the first time cuz guess what? He'll toob you again. Flank him or go somewhere else. Or better yet TOOB HIS ASS BACK. It's simple guys. Everything that people complain about being cheap or exploitive is nothing more than venting frustration about something, but not doing anything about it. ADAPT AND OVERCOME. OBVIOUSLY these people are making up for a lack of skill by doing what they do, so you simply take a different approach and exploit thier weakness. If it's in the game, people will use it. If there is a simpler way to do something, you bet your ass people will do it that way. It's just common sense. So stop complaining and do something about it! I'll give you something to complain about. I for one believe that antitank should NOT have body armor. They are meant to fight ARMOR, not infantry, and body armor does you no good against a tank/apc anyway. It would actually make it BETTER for antitank since without body armor you can sprint further, making you a harder target. I don't have any other issues as far as kits and weapon balance goes. My 2 cents.

Oh and BTW, I use the noobtube, GL, whatever you wanna call it. So what? I know when NOT to use it, that's for sure. And if they nerf the tube, the noobs will just find something else to use that's cheap and the bitching will start all over again. Leave it be.

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2005-12-07 11:43:42
topal63
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+533|6990
What he said ^

and . . .

This is a stupid statement:
Suds: "You're not MEANT to run around with the grenade launcher out."

If you don't have it-out you cannot fire the weapon - DUH! If you suprise me BOOM the BOTH of US.
Hence I am not letting you proceed unimpeded to the FLAG capture point - IF surprised.


Oh and this is stupid as well:
Suds: "This is still exploitive because of the fact that the tube is overpowered in this situation. Do anti-tanks go around trying to melee people with rockets? No?"

AH yes they DO! I have had people kill me at close range with a rocket, also if there are no tanks to
shot at I can snipe! snipers with an AT. If you have an AT-kit and no tanks are around or blown-up
already - OF COURSE I am going to shot it at troops. And IF I am in sight-mode with the AT, and you
suprise me - BOOM but strangely I have never had the BOTH of US go night-night, its just the other
guy who goes down.


and,
Honestly, I can SNIPE people at great-distances with a GRENADE-LAUNCHER, end of story,
and 70-90% of the TIME I hit the TARGET at it is WIPED-OUT instantly, MAN or MAN in JEEP, etc. or MAN
in GUNNER position on top of tank. If I have the time I switch-modes to rifle and then try to take-out who’s
left. . . I play assault to capture flags and to win - not for personal-points (could care-less).

AT 30-50 meters, I am deadly accurate, that’s why I am shooting it at YOU! That’s why it is my preferred
Assault mode - and if you’re running & jumping it doesn’t matter (most of the time) I can account for that.
But I can’t AIM a thrown grenade that well - as for distance (unless I am throwing it at a wall).

I am always aggressive & always moving forward even if it gets me killed. IF you surprise me -
like I said if I have it out - BOOM to the BOTH of US.

Don't be so foolish - did I say I never use another kit or weapon - no.

I've been blown away in the same fashion (as I do when I'm surprised) - SO WHAT!

It’s a kamikaze - so what.  So is C4 on Jeep sometimes - and SO WHAT!

I normally get killed only 0-5 times a (normal) round, so I don’t get your POINT. Other than you don’t like it.
SO WHAT! It is not a (or my) modus-operandi, and if you think it is your mistaken, and if you were right,
I’d say SO WHAT!

Learn how to take them out or not to end up so close to a kamikaze-man-on-a-mission (if that is what
you think it is).

Here are some things I don’t like:
I don’t like spawning right when an artillery-strike happens (15 sec. more downtime).
I don’t like spawning right in front of a tank (15 sec. more downtime).
I don’t like it when I find what I think is an excellent position to go prone (and snipe) and have a grenade roll-up
right next to me (15 sec. more downtime).
I don’t like unloading an entire-clip into an enemies-center right in front of me, and I’m the dead-one (15 sec. more downtime),

. . . it may be random, but that kind-of-crap should happen.

(This is my) modus-operandi:
I play assault to capture flags and to win - not for personal-points (could care-less).
I am always aggressive & always moving forward even if it gets me killed.

Get over the kamikaze-surprise.

If BF2 were realistic (like-life); you would buy it for $$ and the first-time you were killed you could never play again.

Last edited by topal63 (2005-12-07 12:31:51)

2005-12-07 22:19:20
TheDrNailsGuy
Member
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warco3 wrote:

Look guys, I've read thread after thread about this issue. It's a dead freakin horse. Adapt and overcome. Noobtoober_03 just got ya. What do you do? First off, DONT engage him in the same cramped alleyway you did the first time cuz guess what? He'll toob you again. Flank him or go somewhere else. Or better yet TOOB HIS ASS BACK. It's simple guys. Everything that people complain about being cheap or exploitive is nothing more than venting frustration about something, but not doing anything about it. ADAPT AND OVERCOME. OBVIOUSLY these people are making up for a lack of skill by doing what they do, so you simply take a different approach and exploit thier weakness. If it's in the game, people will use it. If there is a simpler way to do something, you bet your ass people will do it that way. It's just common sense. So stop complaining and do something about it! I'll give you something to complain about. I for one believe that antitank should NOT have body armor. They are meant to fight ARMOR, not infantry, and body armor does you no good against a tank/apc anyway. It would actually make it BETTER for antitank since without body armor you can sprint further, making you a harder target. I don't have any other issues as far as kits and weapon balance goes. My 2 cents.

Oh and BTW, I use the noobtube, GL, whatever you wanna call it. So what? I know when NOT to use it, that's for sure. And if they nerf the tube, the noobs will just find something else to use that's cheap and the bitching will start all over again. Leave it be.
I think that would be ok to take armor off the anti tank for speed(at least it will still balence), but i notice i get shot at alot by other infantry when im trying to set up a shot at at tank, and without the armor i'd never have a chance to switch to gun and fire back cause i'd already be dead.

 

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