BF2S Forums Internet Explorer 7 VS Firefox

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Do I care why you prefer FF?  Not really, but I will state my opinion as to why I like IE.  Funny thing is, for someone who states below that "I honestly don't give a crap", you seem to care about why I would "commonly use carpet that requires more maintence".  I'll tell you why.  Because I can, DIPSHIT!

Oh, no, you called me a dipshit! The insult to end all insults. You have no idea how deeply I'm scarred. No, I don't care what browser people use, but I do care when one side bashes another over the fact. The fact that you called FF a podunk browser with users who generally pay attention to commercials and parade the nerdy size of their e-penises on the net called for a likewise response. But since you 'CAN, DIPSHIT,' then do it. I never told you not to.

Cougar wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Use what browser you want. I honestly don't give a crap. Arguing over the differences between PC web browsers is like the interdenominational bickering that goes on in Christianity and Islam. And perhaps if you checked your spelling, you'd realize the word is podunk, not poe-dunk. Sorry, but I do occasionally feel an urge to exercise a bit of grammar-Naziing.

You just grammer nazied me on a slang word?  Shut the fuck up.  Being a grammer nazi doesn't make you look smart or witty, it makes you look like a douche bag.

'Shut the fuck up?' 'Douche bag?' Oh, more uncommon zingers, there. Lighten up and accept a bit of humor.

Cougar wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

1. No, Firefox does not contribute to my opinion of my intelligence. Yes, I know what I'm talking about.
2. My 'e-penis' is satisfactoraly amplified by my Battlefield stats. I don't need to add an internet browser to the mix.
3. I think the commercials are silly. It's the end results of software use that attract my attention. Notice that not all Firefox users dump FF icons into their avatars or signatures.
4. And you do know everything and are never wrong?

Let me put it this way.  How many IE users do you see going around advertising the fact that they use IE, be it by their signatures, avatars, userbars, desktop backgrounds, even SHIRTS!?  Very very few, if any.  Why is this?  Because IE users click on the icon and do their business and are done with it.   They don't feel the need to cram the fact that their browser looks slightly different from your browser down everyone's throat.  It's a fucking browser for crying out loud.  Find me someone who gets pussy for using FireFox over IE and I'll start advertising FF.

Yeah, it's just a browser. No, people don't promote Firefox just because it looks different. They do so because less people have computer problems because of it. Why the hell would I use a program to get pussy? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Do you get it for using IE? I'd think an honest-to-god courtship would work a bit better for that.

Cougar wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

"Get over yourselves?" Maybe I'm overreacting, but "Pot. Kettle. Black." And I care that you use IE and not Firefox? What is there now to make you any different than a Firefox junkie heaping shit on IE? This thread was started on the basis of flaming detractors of IE. Who honestly didn't expect likewise responses from the other camp?

Maybe I'm overacting, but "Huge, Flaming, Homo."  The differnce is, that this is the first time I have ever done it.  All anyone has to do is join any random forum and type "I use IE and like it." and FF users come flying off the handle.  Even at work the other day, I was standing at the smoke pit discussing the IE7 I just downloaded and some idiot I didn't even know comes up and interupts our conversation with the comment "You guys know that IE is crap right?  Change you stuff to FireFox.".  Honestly, I'm suprised I still have a job after telling that guy to go get bent on a dick.  Also note that I attacked FF users, not the program.  And tell me I'm wrong about at least 80% of FF users.

Oh no! The ultimate insult! GAYNESS!!! I think I shall call mother and tattle. Sure, people who blindly cling to a brand name need to be smacked around, but a product deserves to be reviewed for its qualities, and not the awareness of its users.

Chill.

Your lack of debate on the issue at hand and the fact that 4 out of 5 things you wrote about were counter attacks to my counter attacks of your attacks leads me to believe that you are not worth the effort any longer.  Welcome to the list of people who've made themselves look like dumbasses trying to get back at me.  GG.

Like Boris said, the flaming is old and personally I have better things to argue about than a craptastic web browser war.  This thread=ragged out.

I use Firefox because I like flexibility. I personally don't like software that encourages the use of proprietary products and code. I like flexibility and that is why standards were created and why they are important.

In terms of standards support though, neither IE or Firefox pass the ACID2 test and conform to current standards. So far the only browsers to pass the test are Safari, Opera and I believe Konquerer. Firefox does do a bit better than IE in any version though.

As for updates, Firefox 1.5 does incremental updates. It also installs them automatically. They are smaller than service packs too.

I also find it funny that you are comparing future software to current software. If you want to compare, do it between IE6 and Firefox 1.5 or IE7 and Firefox 2.0.

Nyte wrote:

Give me 1 example where an OPEN SOURCE piece of software actually became a dominant success in its field, THOUGHT SO.

Sorry, I cannot think of one. I can think of more than one though. There is the aformentioned Apache, Linux server, PHP and MySQL. There is also Cinepaint used in Hollywood for image correction, Ruby and RAILS are making a large impression and Blender has gained a lot of recognition for its advancements and its kickass LSCM unwrapping. I should also mention that BF2's mod scripting language is Python, another open source language.

I am sure all parties can argue aboutthis crap all day though. I am not so much a supporter of Firefox as I am open source though.

Firefox: basic, tabs, ability to install extra stuff if you want it.

IE: full of crap you don't need, no ability to write stuff for it or expand it with tools you might need like a downloader with resume ability, build in OS, just used because of Microsoft Monopoly position. Active X is crap, way to dangerous, you give permission so it can do ANYTHING on your computer.  Security leaks which make your computer very unsafe for worms and virusses. (believe me).

Open source: Java is going to be open source soon. And zarabadoo gives a lot of other examples.

Why do you compare IE 7 with FF1.5. If you compare mac OS X with windows 95, guess who will win. At least compare IE 6 with FF1.5 or IE7 with FF2.0.

Only thing that bothers me about FF is that it takes a little longer to load before it opens. I tried firefox preloader and that improves it. Because IE is built into the operating system it opens faster.

Yes you are right, FF isn't known with the average guy who only uses his computer for mail. But if you ask computer experts, security chiefs, ... at least 90% will use FF as standard browser. Yes, IE is more used but because of Microsoft's monopoly. But ask all IE guys what html means or what's the diference between a worm and a virus, they will not know, Xss exploits, DOS attack, even ask which ports are opened on their computer.

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

IE7 will win against FF2 since microsoft dont want to see there are more FF users than IE users. if sumthing is a threat to microsoft, they will make sumthing way better

QFLB.

Cougar wrote:

I have always preferred IE over the others.  I know IE inside and out and I know how to protect myself and my computer while using it.

The point with Firefox is that you actually don't have to be a CS major with two degrees to know how to protect yourself. I run into users, on a daily basis, that get shafted on some mystery IE issue.

It's nice to not have to worry so much about which site is next going to spawn hordes of popups or run some nasty ActiveX spyware installer. Obviously, FF is suceptible to bugs and exploits too, however, even when critical bugs have been discovered the FF team has release zero-day work arounds and patched the issue within the week. Microsoft has critical IE bugs going back up to 6 months.

Cougar wrote:

I know how to repair it when it is broken and I know how to upgrade it when upgrades are available.

Indeed, and FF's upgrade mechanism is just as easy. Start it up in the morning "Hey, new version! Take 30 seconds?" Click yes, wait, done.

Cougar wrote:

I am very familiar with the options, functions and features of IE and I really haven't ever run into a situation where I needed something IE didn't have.  I downloaded IE7 the other day and while it may not be original, it is an improvement over an already good and solid program.

Agreed. It is an improvement, and I, for one, am very happy that it's coming out soon because IE6 is giving me gray hairs (and, even with release of ie7, still will for about 3-5 years).

Cougar wrote:

With the knowledge I have of IE and the comfort level I have using it, give me a fucking reason why I would want to go download some poe-dunk web browser like FF, Opera or any other "free" browser.

You imply, by "poe-dunk", that FF and Opera are poorly run projects out of someone's garage, when in reality each has business backing (The Mozilla Corporation and Opera are both registered companies) and, in the case of Firefox, thousands of developers. The belittling arguement aside, I'm not sure why your comfort level would be at risk. Back buttons, url box, scroll bars, heck, even some of the keyboard shortcuts are the same. I can't think of what you would particularily be missing.

Cougar wrote:

Unless they have something to offer me that is pretty much going to make sit in my chair and shit all over myself in amazement, then I really have no desire to go learn a new program that offers minimal perks.

Not everything in the world has to be earth shatteringly impressive to deserve attention, but as above, I don't see the rationale behind having to "learn a new program" -- firefox does everything that IE does, just more and without some of the flaws of IE.

Cougar wrote:

Also, FF was always wanting me to download plug ins and blocking shit I didn't want it to block for the whole 1 day I tried it.  I saw nothing spectacular about it.

For plugins, that's an unfair arguement. A fresh install of IE bugs you to install all those same plugins. That portion of the rant aside:

I'm not sure what you're missing. After a default install of FF if I hit a site with flash, it asks me if I want to install it -- and then does it for me. No download to desktop, no figuring out where to get it from at the Macrodobe website. You click ok a few times and the page reloads.

You are correct, however, that some of the more ... esoteric ... plugins will be difficult if not impossible to find. In which case, you're on a PC and can never rid your self of IE, so just pop over to that for 2 seconds of wild-animal-does-something-you-must-see-video antics.

As for the "blocking shit I didn't want it to block" I find that, far more often than not, it blocks things I really didn't want. Giving the browse a try only for a day, however, may have skewed your results.

Cougar wrote:

I think most people use and promote FireFox for 4 simple reasons:

1. It makes them feel smart.  Even though they have no fucking clue what they are talking about. 
2. It makes them feel like their e-penis is 6 inches longer because they are using this "awesomely powerful web-browser" that allows to load and view web-pages .0000007 seconds faster than with IE.  Like I give a shit.
3. They think the commercials are cool, therefore using FF makes them cool among their peers and they feel the need to spew the information of which browser they are using to the entire world.  As if we give a shit.
4. Because Maddox told them to change their "Bullshit browser to Firefox".  Because a fat, hairy dumbass from Utah knows everything and is never wrong.

While others have retorted here, you have adequately noted that responding to personal attacks really doesn't further the point of a debate, so I'll adhear to that and leave these alone.

Cougar wrote:

Get over yourselves.  FireFox junkies are worse than trekkies.  Just shut the fuck up.  No one gives a shit about what browser you use to surf gay porn while your parents are at work.

I "give a shit" because I have to develop for these things. Firefox offers me better control, and better rendering over the pages without having to do hackneyed, pain-in-the-ass work arounds to get behaviors working that have been approved standards for over 5 years now.

Additionally, by being able to use these standards, which so many mock, I save bandwidth (and thus money), make my site easier to update and maintain, get pages to YOU faster, and I ensure that myself and business don't get sued for being in non-compliance of disability laws.

As an example of these standards ... http://bf2s.com/misc/ie-ff.gif

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If you (plural ya'll) want to keep using IE, that's your choice and I can do nothing about it. For the most part, the behemoth weight of Microsoft (Word and its operating system) will keep developers like me pluging away at sites to fit the model of an outdated browser, but don't expect us to be happy about it: you cost us money and hold back the development of the one of the most important communication mediums invented. IE7 is playing catch up, and even after it is released, I'll sill have to wait for the 83% of the web to update to it -- meanwhile, Firefox is a 5 minute download away right now.

IE6 also has the worst CSS support out of all the browsers. IE6 lacks support of about 30% of CSS1, including some of the most useful commands such as max-width. This leaves web designers with having to actually write javascript to trick IE6 into producing the desired effect.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-09-13 10:27:20)

Well, that was an extremely well substanciated argument there, chuy! A truly great post that shows the loss of logic of people 'stuck in the mud'. I believe Cougar is a big PlayStation3 fan...'go figure'.

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Well, that was an extremely well substanciated argument there, chuy! A truly great post that shows the loss of logic of people 'stuck in the mud'. I believe Cougar is a big PlayStation3 fan...'go figure'.

Ps3 will rock.

So does Ie,nyay!