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2006-09-16 14:46:23

BMW330i: Banned; +20|6883|Montreal, Canada

TheEternalPessimist wrote:
did i forget to mention thats UK sales not global

and oh dear lord dont tell me you listen to trance and are picking an argument over this? Hell for the much part it dosn't even contain real instruments. I know a guy obsessive about it (to the point of irritating but hes a nice guy lol) he makes that kind of thing in his spare time, on a computer using nothing but samples... and does a good job of it too. "easy on the ears" isnt a phrase id associate with it either.

I think you're thinking of that happy hardcore 200+BPM trance... I'm talking about a more downbeat radio-friendly type (Paul Oakenfold). In any genre there are extremes, like in death-metal (i.e Anal Cunt).

Oh I'd also like to add, that is EXACTLY why trance/electronica is the music of the future. Because it doesn't require more than a few people, doesn't require bands renting lofts to play music, practice at specific hours, pay for expensive equipment. All you need is you and a computer and a good sound system with tons of sample tracks and a decent soundstage program.

Anyone can do it just as anyone can be in a band and mash on an instrument... but as you progress mastering mix programs on the computer requires a huge amount of a skill, technical ability, patience, and of course, if it is to sound good, a trained ear.

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2006-09-16 14:49:50

bobby177: Member; +129|6894|Texas.. getting out asap

How can you say death metal requires no talent and then talk about trance. All trance takes is 1 person and some 20$ techno editing program.

2006-09-16 14:52:17

BMW330i: Banned; +20|6883|Montreal, Canada

bobby177 wrote:
How can you say death metal requires no talent and then talk about trance. All trance takes is 1 person and some 20$ techno editing program.

Trance is not my favorite genre, I am just saying it is the genre of the future.

2006-09-16 14:52:43

TheEternalPessimist: Wibble; +412|7040|Mhz

That Paul Oakenfold? Yeh nothing in that entire performance was un-synthesized (apart from the girls voice ofc)

Anal Cunt has nothing to do with black metal BTW

2006-09-16 14:58:29

EIUBENJAMIN: Member; +0|7074

sounds good

2006-09-16 14:59:25

BMW330i: Banned; +20|6883|Montreal, Canada

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

That Paul Oakenfold? Yeh nothing in that entire performance was un-synthesized (apart from the girls voice ofc)

Anal Cunt has nothing to do with black metal BTW

The best metal band couldnt gather a crowd like that if they tried. Check out his Creamfields concert (what was it... a million people?). And hey.. atleast it sounded like something instead of thrashing.

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2006-09-16 15:03:16

TheEternalPessimist: Wibble; +412|7040|Mhz

popularity isnt the issue at hand, never has been and has nothing to do with this at all... in fact neither does you disliking black metal or me seeing trance as "non-music"... the thing I took issue with was the fact that you had a complete inability to comment on a genre of music without also launching a charachter attack on anyone who listened to it.

And dont call it "his" i doubt he composed a single peice of the music he sampled, but alas thats also off the point again.

2006-09-16 15:04:20

MERCFLF8: Member; +9|6964|uk

http://www.darklyrics.com/

2006-09-16 15:07:49

MorbiD.ShoT: Stormin' through the party; +322|7016

BMW330i wrote:
TheEternalPessimist wrote:

That Paul Oakenfold? Yeh nothing in that entire performance was un-synthesized (apart from the girls voice ofc)

Anal Cunt has nothing to do with black metal BTW
The best metal band couldnt gather a crowd like that if they tried. Check out his Creamfields concert (what was it... a million people?). And hey.. atleast it sounded like something instead of thrashing.

Are you kidding me!?!?!?! Have you ever heard of aband called....oh i don't know. METALLICA?!?!

They fucking sold out entire football stadiums.

You are so out of touch, I bet you music library contains less than 100 metal songs. Go listen to metal as much as i have, then come back and talk.

2006-09-16 15:09:37

stryyker: bad touch; +1,682|7140|California

so if black metal is the same as rap, then it sucks.

Rap isnt music. It never was, it never will be.

2006-09-16 15:10:09

bobby177: Member; +129|6894|Texas.. getting out asap

MorbiD.ShoT wrote:
Are you kidding me!?!?!?! Have you ever heard of aband called....oh i don't know. METALLICA?!?!

They fucking sold out entire football stadiums.

I believe the topic of this thread is just black metal.... because if it was all metal then nobody would stand a chance if they argued about the popularity of metal.

2006-09-16 15:11:43

TheCanadianTerrorist: Member; +111|6975

Black metal fucking sucks. Fucking screeching voices.

2006-09-16 15:12:53

MorbiD.ShoT: Stormin' through the party; +322|7016

bobby177 wrote:
MorbiD.ShoT wrote:
Are you kidding me!?!?!?! Have you ever heard of aband called....oh i don't know. METALLICA?!?!

They fucking sold out entire football stadiums.
I believe the topic of this thread is just black metal.... because if it was all metal then nobody would stand a chance if they argued about the popularity of metal.

I know what the topic is. But I was just responding to that ignorant ass's post.

2006-09-16 15:13:26

TheEternalPessimist: Wibble; +412|7040|Mhz

TheCanadianTerrorist wrote:
Black metal fucking sucks. Fucking screeching voices.

Intelectual and indepth indeed... i cant even be bothered putting you down

2006-09-16 15:15:14

MorbiD.ShoT: Stormin' through the party; +322|7016

TheEternalPessimist wrote:
TheCanadianTerrorist wrote:
Black metal fucking sucks. Fucking screeching voices.
Intelectual and indepth indeed... i cant even be bothered putting you down

You're my internet hero.

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2006-09-16 15:39:57

xintegrityx: set your body ablaze; +37|7149|Louisiana

BMW330i wrote:
Anyone can do it just as anyone can be in a band and mash on an instrument... but as you progress mastering mix programs on the computer requires a huge amount of a skill, technical ability, patience, and of course, if it is to sound good, a trained ear.

You can't be serious - listen to death metal bands like Decapitated, Necropagist, and Cryptopsy. Their music is WAY more technical and complex than any electronic music. Much of electronic music is written to be danceable, so it often follows a simple 4/4 time signature, while many extreme metal bands typically make a point of including odd time signatures, multiple time changes in a single song, and syncopated rhythms.

It sounds like "thrasing" to you because you don't understand music theory.

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2006-09-16 15:47:15

G3|Genius: Pope of BF2s; +355|7046|Sea to globally-cooled sea

bobby177 wrote:
And you made one critical mistake in your conversation - no radio stations play metal anymore

89.5 FM WSOU (south orange, NJ...Seton Hall's Pirate Radio) plays metal. That's how I first got into the Metal scene.

I think they webcast but I'm not sure. College radio is your best bet to find music you wouldn't otherwise hear.

ALSO

Question: is Opeth considered Black Metal?

2006-09-16 15:53:47

Trivium: Member; +12|6930

No. They are considered progressive death metal.

2006-09-16 15:57:36

dknessfalls: Member; +9|6864|Corona, California

bobby177 wrote:
DRAKE.... Slipknot is nu-metal..... FAR from black metal.

I hate kids thinking their favorite harcore/metalcore/nu metal/emocore/mallcore is real metal

Here are some real black metal bands...

1349 - Beyond the Apocalypse
Abigor - Nacthymnen
Absurd - Asgardsrei, Facta Loquuntur
Alghazanth - Thy Aeons Envenomed Sanity
Anorexia Nervosa - any
Archgoat - Angel****, Tales Of Desecration
Astriaal – Summoning the Essence of Ancient Wisdom
Azrael - Into Shadows Act I: Denial
Bathory - Blood Fire Death, Under the Sign
Bestial Summoning - The Dark War Has Begun
Bishop of Hexen - Archive of an Enchanted Philosophy
Black Funeral - Vampyr, Throne Of The Beast
Black Witchery - Upheavel of Satanic Might
Burzum - s/t, Aske, Hvis Lyset Tar Oss, Filosofem
Catamenia – Chaosborn
Dark Funeral – Secret of the Black Arts, Diabolis Interium
Darkthrone – Transilvanian Hunger*, Under a Funeral Moon, Panzerfraust, A Blaze in the Northern Sky*
Darkthule - Beyond Endless Horizons
Dimmu Borgir – Stormblast, Enthroned Darkness Triumphant
Dissection - Storm of the Lights Bane
Kataxu - Roots Thunder
Kristallnacht - Of Elitism and War, The Funeral Years
Limbonic Art – The Ultimate Death Worship
Lord Belial
Marduk – Panzer Division Marduk
Mayhem - any
Melechesh - Sphynx
Mörk Gryning – Tusen ar har gatt
Mortuary Drape - Secret Sudaria
Odal - Wilde Kraft
Paragon Belial - Hordes Of The Darkland
Ragnarok - Blackdoor

And the list goes on...

Now to explain why slipknot is NOT black metal

Here are some characteristics of Black Metal, taken from wikipedia and other various websites

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* Lyrics that take the form of Satanic, Pagan, or occult themes which blaspheme Christianity.

* Lyrics that celebrate the cold, darkness, forests, and other natural surroundings of northern European countries, reflecting modern black metal's origins in Scandinavia.

* Increasingly lyrics are being penned with themes of war, misanthropy, and desolation, sometimes apocalytic, whose causes are rooted in human nature and actions.

* Relatively thin guitar sound or relatively thick guitar sound—usually not in the middle.

* Limited production used intentionally as a statement against mainstream music and/or to reflect the mood of the music by creating a certain atmosphere. This 'underproduced' effect is often achieved by cutting out low and high frequencies, leaving just the mid frequency range. It is often said that this was due to a low budget, but this often wasn't the case. This production style is often considered an essential element of "true" black metal.

* Fast, repetitive, aggressive drums, often with blast beats. At other times, the drums can take a slower role usually accompanied by a very dry and empty tone—especially for the effect of the atmosphere of the music. On occasion, some groups such as Burzum and Xasthur will dispense with drums altogether in certain song segments.

* A distinct "rasped" vocal style, a very guttural rasp, which is reminiscent of a torture. This is basically standard in every black metal, though there are exceptions, such as Primordial, who are still classed black metal without the rasp vocal. Some bands, particularly symphonic black metal bands, incorporate clean vocals, usually of a male choir sound, though this is used for atmospheric purposes.

* Cold, dark, sad, melancholy, reflective, tragic, meditative, or gloomy atmosphere.

* Unconventional song structures that are devoid of verse and chorus segments, and contain extended and repetitive instrumental passages, with less use of vocals than other styles of metal.

* Less focus on dynamic rhythm than death metal. Very few black metal bands exhibit the rhythmic complexity inherent in death metal, and even if they do, they usually exhibit at least a few of the above-listed criteria if they are still generally classified as black metal.

* Many black metal musicians adopt a "neo-medieval" costume style that may include leather, spikes, bondage gear, archaic armor and weaponry, and facial corpse paint.

* Many black metal musicians choose to adopt stage names, typically patterned after occult and/or fantasy characters; however, this practice is not universal.
Clearly, Slipknot exhibits almost none of those qualities... which guess what... makes them NOT BLACK METAL

An example of real metal
Not much of a black metal selection on Google Video / Youtube so this is all I can get
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8369956111082655856&q=dimmu+borgir[/google]

Dont know why the second video wont work... but its Naglfar

What would Cradle of Filth categorize under?

2006-09-16 16:07:39

iNeedUrFace4Soup: fuck it; +348|6966

BMW330i wrote:
(i.e Anal Cunt).

A.C. is the best band ever lol.

2006-09-16 16:11:42

Papa Smurf 314: Right in the Smurfin' parking lot?; +90|7190|New York

midnitebassist wrote:
Ska > black metal.

^.^

Streetlight.

2006-09-16 16:45:53

midnitebassist: Countersniper; +11|6949|here

Papa Smurf 314 wrote:
midnitebassist wrote:
Ska > black metal.

^.^
Streetlight.

YES! +1 for that.

2006-09-16 16:46:20

bobby177: Member; +129|6894|Texas.. getting out asap

What would Cradle of Filth categorize under?

Well I haven't listened to them too much, but I would say it's gothic with black and symphonic elements

2006-09-16 17:35:33

ThrashingFury: Member; +1|6857|Vermont

I'm not the biggest fan of a lot of black metal, but I do have an appreciation for it, I'm more into the death/thrash(a.k.a. War Metal) genre but I guess a lot of prople consider that black metal. I'll admit much of it is "blackened death/thrash", bands like Destroyer 666, Conqueror, Destruktor, Abominator, and AngelCorpse. Black/death bands like Vital Remains I like a lot too. I don't like the direction a lot of death metal bands are going these days, especially all those American bands that sound just like At The Gates. I used to like that now generic "Swedish" death metal sound but the bands that bastardized that sound(waaay too many to mention) kind of ruined it for me. All I'll say about nu-metal is that I strongly encourage to call mallcore just because that watered down hardcore has no reason to even have metal in a name describing it, and mallcore seems to be a pretty apt explanation of what it is. I'll take Macabre, Kreator, Destruction, Sodom, Testament and Exodus over any mallcore out there wuthout a second thought.

But anyway I guess it's time to get on topic here, I just thought I'd mention more or less where I am coming from as far as metal goes. First off I really don't see too many similarities to rap and black metal, if any at all. As I mentioned earlier black metal is not my favorite, a big reason for this is that keyboards and synths tend to ruin it for me, I've seen Dimmu Borgir live and I thought their writing was pretty damn good but I couldn't get past the keyboards, the same with a lot of other bands like Emperor although I think Zyklon is pretty damn bad-ass. I thought the Raise Hell album Holy Target was pretty good although I don't know what they were thinking with their other stuff. Immortal was great to see live, they played with Krisiun AngelCorpse and Satyricon and all of them but Satyricon put on a great show. Bestial Mockery is pretty good too, not sure if you would categorize it under black or blackened death but I like them. Anyone that wants to know more about black metal, the book Lords of Chaos which I'm sure some of you have read has a lot of interesting information in it, the newest edition of the book has a ton of new material in it also.

I might as well conclude my post mentioning that I am in a death/thrash band also and if anyone cares to check it out we have a few tracks up here: http://www.myspace.com/gorehammervt
The recordings are a few years old and out drummer was not all that great then but we probably will not get together to record for another year or so when I finish college.

Sorry for the long pointless post but I haven't gotten to rant about metal much lately so I decided to take the oppritunity.

2006-09-16 18:04:31

Rec(+)n: Teh Hawtsawce; +4|6878

what is the appeal of listening to music about eating babies, rape, killing your parents, etc. ?
i really don't understand it.. somebody enlighten me plz

Last edited by Rec(+)n (2006-09-16 18:04:56)

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