you guys are gay... youve never seen one in real life... i have and trust me.. a "normal joe" like the ones in battlefield get the uncontrolled ones...slash_clown wrote:
The Claymore projects a fan-shaped pattern of steel balls in a 60-degree horizontal arc, at a maximum height of 2 meters, and covers a casualty radius of 100 meters. The optimum effective range (the range at which the most desirable balance is achieved between lethality and area coverage) is 50 meters. The forward danger radius for friendly forces is 250 meters. The backblast area is unsafe in unprotected areas 16 meters to the rear and sides of the munition. Friendly personnel within 100 meters to the rear and sides of the munition should be in a covered position to be safe from secondary missiles.DaZeD863 wrote:
in game yes.. real life no... joe squeezes little green box... big ass mess where the claymore was....Goven wrote:
Yes they do.
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The Claymore mine is typically employed in one of three modes: Controlled, Uncontrolled, and Time-delayed
Uncontrolled Mode (also known as Victim Initiated Detonation) - Uncontrolled firing is accomplished when the mine is installed in such a manner as to cause an unsuspecting enemy to detonate the mine. Mines employed in this manner must be reported and recorded as land mines. There are many mechanisms that can be used to initiate the M18A1 in uncontrolled mode, including the M142 Multipurpose Firing Device, M5 Pressure Release Device (mousetrap), tripwires, strikers, infrared sensors, acoustic & vibration sensors.
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Would gameplay improve if claymores were removed?
| Yes. | 22% | 22% - 61 | ||||
| No. | 62% | 62% - 168 | ||||
| Nerf them instead. | 15% | 15% - 41 | ||||
| Total: 270 | ||||||
No. next question please
Agreed if the clays can be so goddamn sensitive then you should be able to detonate one with a gun shot, grenade etc..Snipingruven wrote:
I said Yes, because, they can not be taken out by a grenade or explosion. If this were to change, then I would agree to having them.
I personally think that claymores would be more fun if the were triggered like C4. It would be intimidating to walk down an alley and see one and ask yourself are you feeling lucky. But i am fine with them as they are now so don't bitch about them.
0-Nerf Them Instead
What in the hell is an engineer doing out of his vehicle hunting snipers and playing with claymores?
It's a totaly fucked up way of dealing with claymores. Explosions, grenades, tank rounds, etc.. Alot.. ALOT of things SHouLD blow up clays, but no.
Engineers belong in vehicles, that's where they are the most useful, not hoofing about like some ground pounder looking for sniper droppings.
I think clays themselves are perfectly fair and even fun, if I get caught off guard, I was just that- off guard, bad on me for climbing the ladder to quick/not peeking/sneaking around corners... my bad.
However, there really should be more than one way to detonate/disarm them.
Of useful note!! Your commander can drop vehicles on enemy mines to clear your armor whoring ass a path to glory, and it looks cool, too! RAWR!
What in the hell is an engineer doing out of his vehicle hunting snipers and playing with claymores?
It's a totaly fucked up way of dealing with claymores. Explosions, grenades, tank rounds, etc.. Alot.. ALOT of things SHouLD blow up clays, but no.
Engineers belong in vehicles, that's where they are the most useful, not hoofing about like some ground pounder looking for sniper droppings.
I think clays themselves are perfectly fair and even fun, if I get caught off guard, I was just that- off guard, bad on me for climbing the ladder to quick/not peeking/sneaking around corners... my bad.
However, there really should be more than one way to detonate/disarm them.
Of useful note!! Your commander can drop vehicles on enemy mines to clear your armor whoring ass a path to glory, and it looks cool, too! RAWR!
Please people listen to this man! /\chuuby wrote:
you people are so fucking dumb. take this out take that out. like that one guy said lets just take out all the weapons. you fucking pussies cant handle one thing about the game you think it should eb changed. i hate planes on maps. but do i think they should remove them no i just deal with it. claymors are part of the game if you dont like it stfu and go play somethng else. just like people who cry about people using the nade launcher. its part of the fucking game so why not use it. its people like you that have ruined this game not ea. if you fucking pussies didnt cry about everything then they wouldnt have to put out all these new patches to make you cry babies happy. nerfing shit. why not just stfu and play.
Amen to that brother....+1 for you and you buddy.Plisken wrote:
Please people listen to this man! /\chuuby wrote:
you people are so fucking dumb. take this out take that out. like that one guy said lets just take out all the weapons. you fucking pussies cant handle one thing about the game you think it should eb changed. i hate planes on maps. but do i think they should remove them no i just deal with it. claymors are part of the game if you dont like it stfu and go play somethng else. just like people who cry about people using the nade launcher. its part of the fucking game so why not use it. its people like you that have ruined this game not ea. if you fucking pussies didnt cry about everything then they wouldnt have to put out all these new patches to make you cry babies happy. nerfing shit. why not just stfu and play.
Ya, let the Genius's tell you, you can't have an opinion. We do STFU and play, but we dont FFN like clays! it's an opinion, you don't like? then STFU and play.lAgBlRhino wrote:
Amen to that brother....+1 for you and you buddy.Plisken wrote:
Please people listen to this man! /\chuuby wrote:
you people are so fucking dumb. take this out take that out. like that one guy said lets just take out all the weapons. you fucking pussies cant handle one thing about the game you think it should eb changed. i hate planes on maps. but do i think they should remove them no i just deal with it. claymors are part of the game if you dont like it stfu and go play somethng else. just like people who cry about people using the nade launcher. its part of the fucking game so why not use it. its people like you that have ruined this game not ea. if you fucking pussies didnt cry about everything then they wouldnt have to put out all these new patches to make you cry babies happy. nerfing shit. why not just stfu and play.
This IS the complain section.
If you could handle them while on a ladder, otherwise...that is just a stupid glitch, abuse type thing.
we know but some of you do a shitload of complainingSnipingruven wrote:
Ya, let the Genius's tell you, you can't have an opinion. We do STFU and play, but we dont FFN like clays! it's an opinion, you don't like? then STFU and play.lAgBlRhino wrote:
Amen to that brother....+1 for you and you buddy.Plisken wrote:
Please people listen to this man! /\
This IS the complain section.
I have no problem with Clays. My problem is with the people that abuse them or are just too dumb to use them properly.
Even in servers with FF I've seen them as a problem. People putting them everywhere. Blocking their OWN TEAM'S access to flags. There are alot of people who don't care about TK's. I've even seen people going out of their way to get teamkills and just piss off their team. As many of you know, calling a kick vote doesn't help. Most people never vote (also explains the whole Bush situation).
The Clays should be removable by an engineer. Also there should be a delay to setting them, so you actually have to be sneaky. No more running around dropping them infront of people.
I'm not bitching about them. It's just an opinion to make them require more skill to use. That skill would be knowing how/where to place them so they're not seen instead of just dropping them pretty much anywhere and any which way.
Even in servers with FF I've seen them as a problem. People putting them everywhere. Blocking their OWN TEAM'S access to flags. There are alot of people who don't care about TK's. I've even seen people going out of their way to get teamkills and just piss off their team. As many of you know, calling a kick vote doesn't help. Most people never vote (also explains the whole Bush situation).
The Clays should be removable by an engineer. Also there should be a delay to setting them, so you actually have to be sneaky. No more running around dropping them infront of people.
I'm not bitching about them. It's just an opinion to make them require more skill to use. That skill would be knowing how/where to place them so they're not seen instead of just dropping them pretty much anywhere and any which way.
Last edited by Dex Luther (2006-09-20 14:06:58)
Well... Claymores ARE annoying... But remove them? Nay. But they COULD use a little tweaking...
It would be kinda nice if you could crawl up to the front of them without getting a mouth full of ball bearings or if Engineers could use their wrenches at the top of ladders.
But selah, no chance of Dice Canada doing anything right.
It would be kinda nice if you could crawl up to the front of them without getting a mouth full of ball bearings or if Engineers could use their wrenches at the top of ladders.
But selah, no chance of Dice Canada doing anything right.
This man should publish a book.chuuby wrote:
you people are so fucking dumb. take this out take that out. like that one guy said lets just take out all the weapons. you fucking pussies cant handle one thing about the game you think it should eb changed. i hate planes on maps. but do i think they should remove them no i just deal with it. claymors are part of the game if you dont like it stfu and go play somethng else. just like people who cry about people using the nade launcher. its part of the fucking game so why not use it. its people like you that have ruined this game not ea. if you fucking pussies didnt cry about everything then they wouldnt have to put out all these new patches to make you cry babies happy. nerfing shit. why not just stfu and play.
No, game play would just continue to degrade because the whiners would win another battle just to switch to the newest & greatest game forsaking any thought about this game for the rest of their days.
No more patches please ffs.
No more patches please ffs.
chuuby wrote:
you people are so fucking dumb. take this out take that out. like that one guy said lets just take out all the weapons. you fucking pussies cant handle one thing about the game you think it should eb changed. i hate planes on maps. but do i think they should remove them no i just deal with it. claymors are part of the game if you dont like it stfu and go play somethng else. just like people who cry about people using the nade launcher. its part of the fucking game so why not use it. its people like you that have ruined this game not ea. if you fucking pussies didnt cry about everything then they wouldnt have to put out all these new patches to make you cry babies happy. nerfing shit. why not just stfu and play.
cospengle wrote:
Without claymores snipers would be far less of a problem. I like the idea of that, but then where's the challenge?
Why not just remove all the weapons from the game, then we can all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
¿?...Need I say more...¿?lAgBlRhino wrote:
Bitch bitch bitch.
As Ea sports say "If it's in the game..It's in the game"
What's next...grenades. Where does it end.
Oh I know. How about we have a feather kit and everyone runs around bashing each other with giant feathers, and each unlock is a bigger feather of a different color.
If you don't like the game I'm sure there is a Barbie you can go buy from a bargain bin.
Claymores simply need to be disabled by grenades, c4, fire from armor, etc...other than that I'd say they are fine...you can (and should) set up a trigger for a claymore a ways away from it to maximize the utilization of its blast radius, so the fact that they can be set off at some distance is fine by me. Just let us disable 'em like you used to BE ABLE TO, with other ordinance.
man... i put my claynmores sometimes in full plain view.. if your dumb enough to walk up and not see the little square thing laying there and then BAM!!!! well... more laughs for me...
PS.. i dont spam em.. i get two when i spawn and thats all i use... one for the flag and one... wherever i might need it
PS PS...
"would gameplay improve" dude... what else you want?
PS.. i dont spam em.. i get two when i spawn and thats all i use... one for the flag and one... wherever i might need it
PS PS...
"would gameplay improve" dude... what else you want?
Last edited by Septimius2 (2006-09-20 23:27:51)
I think a lot more thought goes into a clay drop than you realize.Dex Luther wrote:
I'm not bitching about them. It's just an opinion to make them require more skill to use. That skill would be knowing how/where to place them so they're not seen instead of just dropping them pretty much anywhere and any which way.
If a claymore is dropped resulting in a kill for the sniper, then job well done.
If the sniper is careless and puts it in an area where his team is walking, then -2 or -4 for him.
If he is careless and places it in a "dumb" location like miles away from battle, then it just sits there. Again, his bad.
It's all about glory and consequence.
If you as a sniper encounter an enemy in cqc and run around the corner and place a clay, (waiting for the enemy to follow), you accept the risk that the enemy may not follow and end up killing your team mate minutes later. Now the teammate that runs into that claymore doesn't realize that you couldn't match it with the enemy with the G3, he just thinks that you placed it to be an arse. Now you get the -4 with the punish, he thinks your an arse, that is your consequence. That is where it should end.
Claymore placers accept similar responsibility as nade spammers ie, they have to weigh up the chance of hitting a target or two that you can't see, with hitting your courageous assault brother.
To the guy who gets -14 every time he places claymores around his team's flag. Do you really think its the claymore that has the problem? Can you think of a reason why it might not be such an great idea to do that?
If you want to defend a flag then watch it from a distance. While you are defending you can put the claymore to good use to cover your back. your team mates will see your blue dot and see you are hiding he will see the red skull and probably put 2+2 together.
What would be the point of having a claymore with a hand held trigger? If you want one go Spec Op.
How is a sniper supposed to use it to cover his arse while sniping if he has to watch the claymore, wait for the enemy to sneak up and then detonate.
Here's an idea, what about a claymore that you can throw great distances that explode on impact? How about a handheld claymore that shoots bullets? Hey, how about a claymore with four wheels that you and your mates can drive around in with a gun on top??
Game play has improved, my game doesn't crash or have connection problems anymore.
leaves out strategy if you remove clay's
Gameplay would improve if claymores where taken out, however we'd have to put up with a new thread every half hour from some sniper who now wishes death upon EA for taking away a vast majority (I know this is not the case for some snipers) of his talentless kills.
So instead we should be able to destroy them with explosives, same goes for AT mines.
So instead we should be able to destroy them with explosives, same goes for AT mines.
If you want to change something.. become a programmer and develop a new game about your feelings and singing around the campfire and leave the killing to the professionals
I used to think claymores should go, but go play on modern combat on the net and there are so many times you thnik AAAARG NO FLIPPIN CLAYMORES!!!!! too late...
I use claymores as a defensive weapon. Example: For the TV station on Warlord, I'll put one facing the hallway, the other facing the balcony. Both areas are protected from enemies, and I know that if I suddenly get a message saying I killed someone, I know there's an assault on TV station going on, and I should head back to make sure it's clear.
Or: When I get a nice sniping position, yes, I will put a claymore down behind me to protect my ass while I'm lookin through the scope.
Only time I ever use claymores offensively is when I see a huge blob of red coming around a corner of a building I'm by. Put a clay at the corner, sit back with a nade. First guy around sets off the claymore, takes out one or two people. I toss a nade over to damage people taking cover around the corner, or if I'm lucky, take out the medic trying to revive my latest victims. After the nade goes off, assault the corner with the pistol and do as much damage as possible.
if you don't like claymores, learn to avoid them. it's like me with armor. Learn to dodge.
Or: When I get a nice sniping position, yes, I will put a claymore down behind me to protect my ass while I'm lookin through the scope.
Only time I ever use claymores offensively is when I see a huge blob of red coming around a corner of a building I'm by. Put a clay at the corner, sit back with a nade. First guy around sets off the claymore, takes out one or two people. I toss a nade over to damage people taking cover around the corner, or if I'm lucky, take out the medic trying to revive my latest victims. After the nade goes off, assault the corner with the pistol and do as much damage as possible.
if you don't like claymores, learn to avoid them. it's like me with armor. Learn to dodge.
Yes. Play on a random ranked infantry only server, and you get raped everywhere by randomly thrown around claymores. Luckily they are forbidden on the server I play most of the time.
No tk on claymores = random claymore spam = fucked up gameplay, simple.
No tk on claymores = random claymore spam = fucked up gameplay, simple.
You call the clayspamfest strategy? It's no strategy.Swifty_Gold wrote:
leaves out strategy if you remove clay's
Random round at karkand: usmc tries to take hotel.
"Let's try to take hotel. I'll probably die by one of the many claymores spammed around the flag, but doesn't matter, it's just strategical warfare."
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