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Filled with Oil Pricesusmarine2005 wrote:
See, I told you. Clinton fucked up and nobody wants to talk about it. If it had been Bush.....there would be 6 pages by now.
6 pages thanks to a bunch of STAY THE COURSE and ADAPT TO WIN bullshit.usmarine2005 wrote:
See, I told you. Clinton fucked up and nobody wants to talk about it. If it had been Bush.....there would be 6 pages by now.
Hmmm...well Clinton proved what pulling out too soon and letting the UN take over accomplishes.Ikarti wrote:
6 pages thanks to a bunch of STAY THE COURSE and ADAPT TO WIN bullshit.usmarine2005 wrote:
See, I told you. Clinton fucked up and nobody wants to talk about it. If it had been Bush.....there would be 6 pages by now.
Ok, well you presented had it been Bush who did it he'd be crucified here. I'm interested in hearing your hypothetical defense of our fearless leader.usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmmm...well Clinton proved what pulling out too soon and letting the UN take over accomplishes.Ikarti wrote:
6 pages thanks to a bunch of STAY THE COURSE and ADAPT TO WIN bullshit.usmarine2005 wrote:
See, I told you. Clinton fucked up and nobody wants to talk about it. If it had been Bush.....there would be 6 pages by now.
usmarine2005 wrote:
See, I told you. Clinton fucked up and nobody wants to talk about it. If it had been Bush.....there would be 6 pages by now.
Boy you just jumped all over this like stink on shit didn't you! Did you get a hard on typing that?usmarine2005 wrote:
You haven't heard much because Clinton failed there.
No. I jumped on it because it seems all we have here is a bunch of people who were kids during the Clinton years, and seem to forget certain things. I jumped on it because I had friends in Somalia, one of them died a year later form his wounds. Everyone gives bubba a pass, and it pisses me off. I AM NOT A BUSH SUPPORTER. I hate all politicians. What I hate is people who just blame one side. All this section has become is America and Bush bashing, and beleive it or not, that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the blind eye turned to everything else.IRONCHEF wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
See, I told you. Clinton fucked up and nobody wants to talk about it. If it had been Bush.....there would be 6 pages by now.Boy you just jumped all over this like stink on shit didn't you! Did you get a hard on typing that?usmarine2005 wrote:
You haven't heard much because Clinton failed there.
They were not given the fire support they asked for, which got people killed.Ikarti wrote:
Forgive me for not studying the Somalian conflict extensively, but did Clinton or anyone in his administration intentionally not send enough troops and/or not equip them properly?
I'd be happy to criticize Clinton on things he did wrong, but he's not the sitting president. He hasn't put my life in danger like Bush has. I support a family of 5 and when Clinton was president, I was comfortable with my financial life...not so now. With Clinton in office, I freely flew to Europe, Brazil, and around this country. With Bush, I'm afraid to.usmarine2005 wrote:
No. I jumped on it because it seems all we have here is a bunch of people who were kids during the Clinton years, and seem to forget certain things. I jumped on it because I had friends in Somalia, one of them died a year later form his wounds. Everyone gives bubba a pass, and it pisses me off. I AM NOT A BUSH SUPPORTER. I hate all politicians. What I hate is people who just blame one side. All this section has become is America and Bush bashing, and beleive it or not, that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the blind eye turned to everything else.IRONCHEF wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
See, I told you. Clinton fucked up and nobody wants to talk about it. If it had been Bush.....there would be 6 pages by now.Boy you just jumped all over this like stink on shit didn't you! Did you get a hard on typing that?usmarine2005 wrote:
You haven't heard much because Clinton failed there.
Sending light infantry into a city full of people with no armor or air cover, is no better than you body armor and supplies remark. And BTW, the same body armor they used in Somalia, was the same body armor we used in Afghanistan and Iraq for a little while. Why was that a big deal to everyone?Ikarti wrote:
Hmm, raises an interesting question for me. Who is really to blame. Clinton sent them there, but was it his failure to not give the fire support or was it one of his subordinates. Same with Bush, he gave the order to go, but did he not give them enough body armor and supplies? Not personally. Different conflicts if you asked me. If Clinton had used the tactics Bush used to go to Iraq I'd be pissed at Clinton. Fact is he didn't.
I thought the issue was that there wasn't enough of it. Could be wrong. Didn't pay too much attention to it but was aware it was a complaint, and I thought it was more of the soldiers being concerned about it that people like me since they were the ones buying 3rd party body armor.usmarine2005 wrote:
Sending light infantry into a city full of people with no armor or air cover, is no better than you body armor and supplies remark. And BTW, the same body armor they used in Somalia, was the same body armor we used in Afghanistan and Iraq for a little while. Why was that a big deal to everyone?Ikarti wrote:
Hmm, raises an interesting question for me. Who is really to blame. Clinton sent them there, but was it his failure to not give the fire support or was it one of his subordinates. Same with Bush, he gave the order to go, but did he not give them enough body armor and supplies? Not personally. Different conflicts if you asked me. If Clinton had used the tactics Bush used to go to Iraq I'd be pissed at Clinton. Fact is he didn't.
My biggest issue was Hummers. They were not designed for what we use them for.Ikarti wrote:
I thought the issue was that there wasn't enough of it. Could be wrong. Didn't pay too much attention to it but was aware it was a complaint, and I thought it was more of the soldiers being concerned about it that people like me since they were the ones buying 3rd party body armor.usmarine2005 wrote:
Sending light infantry into a city full of people with no armor or air cover, is no better than you body armor and supplies remark. And BTW, the same body armor they used in Somalia, was the same body armor we used in Afghanistan and Iraq for a little while. Why was that a big deal to everyone?Ikarti wrote:
Hmm, raises an interesting question for me. Who is really to blame. Clinton sent them there, but was it his failure to not give the fire support or was it one of his subordinates. Same with Bush, he gave the order to go, but did he not give them enough body armor and supplies? Not personally. Different conflicts if you asked me. If Clinton had used the tactics Bush used to go to Iraq I'd be pissed at Clinton. Fact is he didn't.
