What exactly is the problem with a commander who is in a vehicle? I mean, just a vehicle, not an aircraft because that is too much. As commander, you're multitasking anyway and how are you going to get points by just sitting in a hanger. You gotta get out there and fight from the front. People complain about these guys because they'll have to wait at most 15 seconds for their supplies or whatever. Granted, there are also those guys who don't take their eyes off the command screen but I fancy myself a decent commander. I do believe the "Commanders command" rule is oxymoronic. No ****, Mr. Server. I'd say, if you feel you can multitask, do it.
but the thing is, if the commander jet whores and heli whores, even if he kills 100 people he still might have a score of 25 or so (before end of round) and its of bugger all benfit to the team
I think i'm very good at multi tasking as commander in armor.Infact,I down right own as a tank commander.Most of the time though i just hang back at the base and defend against infiltration and sabotage.Nothing bothers me worse than going rambo commander near enemy flags while there is an enemy wreaking havok on my base.
But i never fly as commander.
But i never fly as commander.
Last edited by BrOk_MoRdU (2006-09-22 21:27:25)
There's no problem with it, assuming everything is getting done. In most cases you need to be in transport to get to assets for repair quickly (not often there are engineers ime). I like to round up the armor so the enemy does not get it in those games where my team lets it just lay around. Anyone who things great commander do nothing but huddle behind crates or barrels (pun) are hats .... for their asses.
Last edited by jsnipy (2006-09-22 21:29:08)
Because you have a full time job, right click spot, right click spot... you can't do anything else if you command properly.
Granted in a <20 player map the commander should do somthing. But in >40 player games the commander should just command, defend when nessarsary but never go looking for a fight. If you do fight and your team wins you had a much superior team and would have won without a commander. If you lose its cause you suck (or your teams just shit).
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=753796#p753796
This post shows in more detail how (I think) you should command.
Granted in a <20 player map the commander should do somthing. But in >40 player games the commander should just command, defend when nessarsary but never go looking for a fight. If you do fight and your team wins you had a much superior team and would have won without a commander. If you lose its cause you suck (or your teams just shit).
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=753796#p753796
This post shows in more detail how (I think) you should command.
Last edited by DrunkFace (2006-09-22 21:34:23)
If there are very few players on the server, like less than 16, the commander really should be fighting, in a vehicle or out. They should, of course, be keeping the UAVs constant with the T-menu and do a scan/artillery when all's quiet.
~24-32 players, it's a tossup. If you're good at multitasking and put commanding before the tank ownage, then you'll really benefit the team.
More than 32 players? Don't be a martyr.
~24-32 players, it's a tossup. If you're good at multitasking and put commanding before the tank ownage, then you'll really benefit the team.
More than 32 players? Don't be a martyr.
Last edited by Kenthar (2006-09-22 21:40:15)
I agree, the commander should never go looking for a fight.DrunkFace wrote:
Because you have a full time job, right click spot, right click spot... you can't do anything else if you command properly.
Granted in a <20 player map the commander should do somthing. But in >40 player games the commander should just command, defend when nessarsary but never go looking for a fight. If you do fight and your team wins you had a much superior team and would have won without a commander. If you lose its cause you suck (or your teams just shit).
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=753796#p753796
This post shows in more detail how (I think) you should command.
As commander, you're multitasking anyway and how are you going to get points by just sitting in a hanger. You gotta get out there and fight from the front
you do know that the cammander gets his points from the average of his team right? even if you kill capture or whatever as a cammander you dont get points for it
you do know that the cammander gets his points from the average of his team right? even if you kill capture or whatever as a cammander you dont get points for it
i'd put money on people who do fight in the front lines, use the UAV's more to benefit themselves (yeah like they would admit to it...) and not focus on the finer details like using a scan then seeing one guy creeping up behind and capping a flag, then ordering a squad or two to defend that position while avoiding being shot to pieces while he does this, because if he does.. the flag is gone and the commander cant do jack for another ten seconds. allowing for multiple enemys to spawn at the new flag and spread out taking some more. duno if that was clear or not lol.
no i think they should stay put and strategise.
no i think they should stay put and strategise.
To me it is a mixture of both. The commander should adapt. If the assets are constantly being taken out then he should just defend. But I see no problem of commander fighting with his men "the best generals lead from the front " as the saying goes. I play a fair amount of time as a commander, i do both, a good commander can fight and lead at the same time. IMO.
If you can constantly use all the command options(uav,scan,supply,artillery,spot,etc) and communicate with your squads/lonewolfs either typing/order/voip while fighting then by all means go ahead.
Depends on the map, the player load and how the game is going, but as a rule if you're in a tank or APC you can't command effectively because you're too busy worrying about your own hide. Plus, it ties up that vehicle that someone undistracted could probably use more effectively (unless you're ignoring command duties completely in which case that's even worse). Sure, if you kick ass in armour and there are only 8-10 players then maybe it would be worthwhile for parts of the round, but not for the entire game and not with more players IMO.DesertFox423 wrote:
What exactly is the problem with a commander who is in a vehicle? I mean, just a vehicle, not an aircraft because that is too much.
I just got a gold medal sitting in the IGLA on Sharqi; you don't have to fight and command to get points. Plus the game was already in progress when I joined, with MEC holding three flags. I spotted that there was no commander and jumped at the chance to try for Vet Air Defence and ended up getting enough for Expert, with at least 25 artillery kills.DesertFox423 wrote:
As commander, you're multitasking anyway and how are you going to get points by just sitting in a hanger.
No-vehicle mode? Server not full? Sure, you fight and command to the best of your ability; have to, otherwise your team is a man down and that could make the difference between winning and losing. I had to fight in the round that I got Expert Commander in yesterday for this reason... the 54 kills I made sure helped toward us winning, as did the mere 11 tickets I gave up (9 deaths, 2 TKs)... and being sniper meant I could help protect valuable flags without being tied to their location.DesertFox423 wrote:
You gotta get out there and fight from the front.
15 seconds? Try doubling or tripling that... or getting ignored completely! LOLDesertFox423 wrote:
People complain about these guys because they'll have to wait at most 15 seconds for their supplies or whatever.
That's the way to command normally with higher player loads, plus vehicles and artie. There's too much to do, and too much going on, to try to fight at the same time and every second might count toward a win.DesertFox423 wrote:
Granted, there are also those guys who don't take their eyes off the command screen...
Sounds great! I really hope your always the other teams commander. Keep up the good work!
i am really good at commanding in a tank, and took on ten players by my self, killing nine, destroying 3 tanks and then exploding on another. It is good for a the person, but if someone else wants it who aint, i give it to them. It can be rather frustrating to get 70 tank kills in a round like i did and get a only few points however (although i did get 317 in the end, not too shabby).
My policy is commanders should use land/sea vehicles if there are few players to avoid being out maneuvered, but in big games there are other people to control tanks.
My policy is commanders should use land/sea vehicles if there are few players to avoid being out maneuvered, but in big games there are other people to control tanks.
So long as you remeber to command I dont care. I command and usually follow the rear of the team giving ammo and reviving guys. I get my command points and help my team so everyones happy.
If you didnt use UAv, supplies or anythinng would you still get points? I know its the avergae team score but was wandering.
If you didnt use UAv, supplies or anythinng would you still get points? I know its the avergae team score but was wandering.
Yes you will still get points.Ryker wrote:
So long as you remeber to command I dont care. I command and usually follow the rear of the team giving ammo and reviving guys. I get my command points and help my team so everyones happy.
If you didnt use UAv, supplies or anythinng would you still get points? I know its the avergae team score but was wandering.
There are some assholes that go commander then go AFK for the whole round and still get points and the 2x if there teams good enough to win. (bloody stupid if you ask me).
On normal mode commander should hide in a corner to be able to give information all the time.
On IO the commander can hang around the team and put out UAV as soon as it's out. Though the commander should awoid lots of battles without his squad. Being close to someone who is a Medic is only a plus.
On IO the commander can hang around the team and put out UAV as soon as it's out. Though the commander should awoid lots of battles without his squad. Being close to someone who is a Medic is only a plus.
Sometimes your team can be so on to it that you'll spend fuckall time commanding. Depends entirely on what is required of you as commander at the time.
whats really annoing is that commander put uav so that half of it scan places where is nobody or using it to one guy. You use it where the primary battle is goin on and spot enemies manually if someone is getting flag somewhere else. And when you fighting commander you cannot do this. So fighting cammander is useless unless there are few people playing. And another thing is that you keep that uav running as soon as it's possible always.
I know EXACTLY how you guys feel. And to some extend I agree.
The "only command" rule is totally bull in SOME cases. With 24 or less players, the CMDR NEEDS to fight, or the team is down 8-10% of it's manpower ! So spotting this or that isn't gonna change the fact that your team WILL be outgunned in this scenario. Any server admin who enforces a "command only" rule while having less than 24 players on their server are plain idiots. Ofcourse the commander needs to take time to do the command job once in a while, but he CANT hang around a rear uncap and do NOTHING for his team. A better choice is to go to a front CAPPABLE flag and defend THAT one. Some commanders go engy and repair assets if they get blown to often, I appreciate that because there are so few tank whores who bother to play engy, but this is IMO also a bit too passive, particularly on a small server.
I also agree that while the CMDR CAN fight in some cases, the "multitasking" is NOT a good thing if it takes away from your tank whoring skills or jet'ing. Sure if there's a spare tank around, it's better that the commander sits in it than the enemy takes it. But if there are teammates out there who WANTS the tank and can commit to being a full time tank whore, THEY should have it. I almost ALWAYS sit in second position as cmdr, so that any teammember can drop by and take the armor, while the enemy cannot. Ofcourse, I've experienced being kicked for "not doing my job" because I was sitting in the relative safety of an APC while commanding. Trust me... THAT sucks... Any decent admin (in fact, any player AT ALL) can see that it's not me driving !
The "only command" rule is totally bull in SOME cases. With 24 or less players, the CMDR NEEDS to fight, or the team is down 8-10% of it's manpower ! So spotting this or that isn't gonna change the fact that your team WILL be outgunned in this scenario. Any server admin who enforces a "command only" rule while having less than 24 players on their server are plain idiots. Ofcourse the commander needs to take time to do the command job once in a while, but he CANT hang around a rear uncap and do NOTHING for his team. A better choice is to go to a front CAPPABLE flag and defend THAT one. Some commanders go engy and repair assets if they get blown to often, I appreciate that because there are so few tank whores who bother to play engy, but this is IMO also a bit too passive, particularly on a small server.
I also agree that while the CMDR CAN fight in some cases, the "multitasking" is NOT a good thing if it takes away from your tank whoring skills or jet'ing. Sure if there's a spare tank around, it's better that the commander sits in it than the enemy takes it. But if there are teammates out there who WANTS the tank and can commit to being a full time tank whore, THEY should have it. I almost ALWAYS sit in second position as cmdr, so that any teammember can drop by and take the armor, while the enemy cannot. Ofcourse, I've experienced being kicked for "not doing my job" because I was sitting in the relative safety of an APC while commanding. Trust me... THAT sucks... Any decent admin (in fact, any player AT ALL) can see that it's not me driving !
How can you not own as a tank/commander. The repairs and the UAV are on you the whole time while you are spawn raping. I don't mean to jump to that conclusion of you personally, but I've seen it before. The rest of the team suffers while you get the kills, and a 2x score if your team wins. Not a team commander in my opinion. I will vote for a mutiny.BrOk_MoRdU wrote:
I think i'm very good at multi tasking as commander in armor.Infact,I down right own as a tank commander.Most of the time though i just hang back at the base and defend against infiltration and sabotage.Nothing bothers me worse than going rambo commander near enemy flags while there is an enemy wreaking havok on my base.
But i never fly as commander.
When I'm commander I go Engi and hide by my command toys, I don't even come out of command mode when I'm in a safe place (unless someone comes near me, or I need to fix my toys). That way I can always be there for my team, pointing people out, putting supplys in the best place and so on and so on. I don't like commanders that jump into a tank and go straight into battle because it means they arent really paying attention, sure there doing some things but there not spotting people out. Normaly they only do UAV, Suppys and Arty when a commander should point out people, because most of the time the people that are on there own know what there doing. IMO anyway.
I do agree a commander should never fly.Sometimes though as a commander you have to defend an important control point from multiple attackers,which is a bitch on foot.Ideally you should not have to leave the command screen but not all situations are ideal.If the enemy team has twice as many tickets as yours then your gun is needed,time to multitask.If such a situation occurs I'll usually tell the squads though voip or text if they need anything request it.
If friendly fire mines are on it's a good idea to place them on the spot where your armor or vehicles spawn at your main.great anti theft device and your team mates won't bitch at you for being in armor.Sometimes I'll just give myself a vehicle drop so I can just drive by assets quickly and repair them as well as having a mounted 50 cal. for defense.
Some maps the commander can't be in vehicles rule can really hinder one side.Just depends on the map,situation and number of players.
If friendly fire mines are on it's a good idea to place them on the spot where your armor or vehicles spawn at your main.great anti theft device and your team mates won't bitch at you for being in armor.Sometimes I'll just give myself a vehicle drop so I can just drive by assets quickly and repair them as well as having a mounted 50 cal. for defense.
Some maps the commander can't be in vehicles rule can really hinder one side.Just depends on the map,situation and number of players.
Actually, a real commander does have a full time job on his hands. Im usually playing sniper so i can defend flags nearby. But im always busy organising squads and giving orders.
Theres more to commanding than dropping supplies here and there and occasionally supplying your team with a UAV.
Theres more to commanding than dropping supplies here and there and occasionally supplying your team with a UAV.