BF2S Forums The Geneva Conventions do not apply

Agreed, they are animals and deserved to be punished harshly.
Just as the people who did whats in my link.
I'm thinking, tree shredder, slowly fed into it.

I've never excused criminal behavior by any soldiers.
I think a lot of people would like to say the entire campaign is criminal, thats where I have to disagree.

To start perhaps a new worse one?

mafia996630 wrote:

ATG wrote:

To start perhaps a new worse one?

Worse, unlikely. Better, more likely.

Never, we need to keep meddling in the middle east otherwise terrorism could drop.

It does not matter if this is a conventional war or not, we are civilized Westerners, lowering ourselves to their level by not following the rules of war shows that we have forgotten what we're made of.  Following the rules of war, especially when the other side does not, will always win more hearts and minds than doing the opposite.  I hate it when people say "Well, they don't follow them either.  So we have the right to do what we want as well".  Wrong.  We respect our enemies, no matter how vicious and cruel they are, because they are still human beings.  Not understanding or caring about their simple rights as human beings makes you just as vicious and as cruel as them. 

You say America is better than them?  Prove it.  Support the Geneva Convention in any situation, and prove to the world that we really are better.

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-09-23 16:54:01)

Both the rapists of the 14 year-old girl and those who mutilated the soldiers are animals. Trying to figure out who started what and who'se to blaim is futile.

This incident proves nothing. It being publicized only serves to breed hatred on both sides. What you should be asking is who wants you to pay attention to these things and why. Who profits from hatred? If you are to evaluate a war, do not focus on small stuff like this. Look at the big picture.

Last edited by oug (2006-09-23 18:32:29)

Ikarti wrote:

The U.S military has charged four soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division _ Spc. James P. Barker, Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, Pfc. Jesse V. Spielman and Pfc. Bryan L. Howard _ in the March 12 alleged rape and murder of 14-year-old Abeer Qassim al-Janabi in Mahmoudiya, about 20 miles south of Baghdad. Sgt. Anthony W. Yribe is accused of failing to report the attack but is not alleged to have been a direct participant.

Talk about animals.

Charged..
Have you thrown out their right to a trial? Can you imagine if everyone nation went around dragging innocent people with trucks and cutting their heads off because we thought someone else was possibly guilty of a crime. I like the comparison. Obviously I don't know if they are guilty or not but I live in a society that believes they have at least the right to have their defense heard.

The assumption of guilt everyone makes here is sad. Whether they are guilty or not.

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Ikarti wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

The U.S military has charged four soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division _ Spc. James P. Barker, Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, Pfc. Jesse V. Spielman and Pfc. Bryan L. Howard _ in the March 12 alleged rape and murder of 14-year-old Abeer Qassim al-Janabi in Mahmoudiya, about 20 miles south of Baghdad. Sgt. Anthony W. Yribe is accused of failing to report the attack but is not alleged to have been a direct participant.

Talk about animals.

Charged..
Have you thrown out their right to a trial? Can you imagine if everyone nation went around dragging innocent people with trucks and cutting their heads off because we thought someone else was possibly guilty of a crime. I like the comparison. Obviously I don't know if they are guilty or not but I live in a society that believes they have at least the right to have their defense heard.

You'll eat your words when they're found guilty, I'd wager.

not at all.. like I said I don't know, but you have made your decision without knowing any of the detials. It's called prejudice.

Kmarion wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Charged..
Have you thrown out their right to a trial? Can you imagine if everyone nation went around dragging innocent people with trucks and cutting their heads off because we thought someone else was possibly guilty of a crime. I like the comparison. Obviously I don't know if they are guilty or not but I live in a society that believes they have at least the right to have their defense heard.

You'll eat your words when they're found guilty, I'd wager.

not at all.. like I said I don't know, but you have made your decision without knowing any of the detials. It's called prejudice.

lol!

Yet more neo-con double standards. You say they have only been charged, yet you don't seem to mind about the treatment of prisoners in gitmo, who haven't even been charged and are just being held without trial - The Geneva convention certainly applies to them.

You talk about prejudice yet that is exactly what all the camps for detainees do, they pre judge. There have been very few trials for the people held there and Bush is trying to get away with not giving them real trials - good thing no one else on the senate wants that.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2006-09-23 19:41:04)

Kmarion wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

not at all.. like I said I don't know, but you have made your decision without knowing any of the details. It's called prejudice.

lol!

Yet more neo-con double standards. You say they have only been charged, yet you don't seem to mind about the treatment of prisoners in gitmo, who haven't even been charged and are just being held without trial - The Geneva convention certainly applies to them.

Are you placing me into some standard label I should know about ? Have I ever said I am not concerned with the treatment of prisoners at gitmo? More assumptions that are coming out of thin air. Treat me as a single individual please. My opinions are my own and they vary on different issues.

Sorry. It is quite a typical double standard though, although I haven't heard your side of things on this particular issue. Many neo-cons seem to think it is fine to hold people without trial, because they're not American so don't have legal rights or because they're not enemy combatants so the Geneva convention doesn't apply (despite the supreme court rulings to the contrary).

What do you think about the prisoners being held at camp X-Ray and other camps for detainees? Do you think they should all have trials?

I have stereotyped you there though, sorry about that. (In fact I thought I had spoken to you about this issue, but I looked up the thread and turns out it was someone else)

Kmarion wrote:

I actually think it's rediculous that they are held for that long without a trial. I see it as an abuse.

I agree.

AAFCptKabbom wrote:

I think the "Geneva Convention" rules of law are acceptable laws in conventional wars.  However, as you see in the news, this is not a conventional war.  This is not a war of factions and or countries with boundaries.
It's time to "adapt" rules of law that are appropriate to "current" military conditions - this is not a mechanized military like wars of the past. 

I do not nor will not condone torture however, I strongly believe the rules need to be "adapted" by those who are the professionals and who are dealing with the harsh realities... 
Name, rank, and Jihad number is not acceptable since each terrorist is connected in a network - if these terrorist are willing to kill themselves so freely then why is "making them feel uncomfortable", but still be alive, unacceptable!

Kaboom.

Sorry, thats unacceptable. Or do you normally just surrender when a fight looks tough. Sorry if it sounds harsh but I grow weary of my so called fellow Americans who are so quick to shed what America stands for and cower behind so called security. There is already a clause allowing for more extreme forms of interrogation if you are in a '24' type of situation. Anything beyond that is well...useless and punitive. Maybe if the govt had a coherent plan for Iraq before going in, it wouldn't be the cluster-fuck it is. But destroying the essence of what America stands to fix your fuck-ups is unacceptable.

Its nice to see that so many people support this adventure in the desert. As of Friday it was reported torture of Iraqis is past the level it was at during saddams reign...Mission Accomplished.