BF2S Forums The SMGS...

JaMrulezass wrote:

retareded

Nice spelling dude,suppose it was "intentional"

Can someone teach me the ins and outs of using the mp5? I get killed by it alot, and I always thought it was a really inaccurate SMG and you couldn't hit anything with it unless the person was right in front of you. I mean I could probably perform better with the Chinese SMG than the mp5. Does anyone have any suggestions, for example: go prone; don't go prone but run in circles; fire in single mode; time between single shots to get accuracy back to normal etc.

SMG is not the greatest gun, but works fine in close up combat

SMGs suit my AT playstyle... i'd pick it over the DAO-12 anyday. MP5 and PP-19's main difference is only clip size, the Type 85 is my least favoured SMG as it has a slow draw time which can prove life/death when someone just pops out in front of you and you're holding another weapon.

Submachine Guns      14:03:23      1,781      772      2.3070      20.20%

In general, yes the SMG's suck. But the P90 is actually sort of alright, and it has gotten me a positive K/D ratio with them.

Submachine Guns      05:17:17      236      217      1.0876      21.44%

Last edited by LaidBackNinja (2006-09-24 06:25:20)

Graphic wrote:

If someone is with in 5 feet of a P90 and the guy holding it isn't a total newbie, that someone is going to die.

You can say that for anyone that aims for the head.

I hate people who say things suck. Nothing sucks, you just suck with them:

Submachine Guns    21:04:09    916    852    1.0751    20.72%

Of course I die with that a lot since tanks usually take most of my health away, but hey, my accuracy for them is just about the same as for assault rifles and carbines. You just have to learn how to use the guns, and don't be stupid, which you probably all are (referring to everybody who hates SMGs.) In fact, I was playing Sharqui earlier this week and went 11-0 just with the P90, until I ended up dieing being forced to use just the pistol since I lost all my ammo. Besides, DAO-12 shouldn't even be an anti-tank gun. Anti-tank is supposed to be focused on the AT. Then when people bail out of tanks trying to survive, that's why you get the SMG, so you could pick them off from a distance. Also, it's high rate of fire gives you that extra boost close range. Here's my rankings for SMGs:

P90 > MP5 > PP-19 > QSZ-92 > MP7

I never use DAO-12 except for in the palace at Warlord, even then I'll still mostly use the P90. But now my main goal is to get a positive ratio with the AT, which won't be too hard because I played a lot of Anti-Tank when I first got the game so all my ratios for it have gone way down.

FrankieSpankie3388 wrote:

I hate people who say things suck. Nothing sucks, you just suck with them.

Exactly. My stats with them:

Submachine Guns / 16:37:44 / 962 / 725 / 1.3269 / 19.74%


That is almost as good as my ratio with assault rifles, so quite frankly - the starter of this thread, just plain sucks with them. Learn how to use them, the P90 will beat any assault rifle in close combat and can often outgun them at short - medium range. The MP7 and MP5 also completely kick the shit outa people.

Its not the weapon thats bad - it is simply the user. You cannot use an SMG in the same manner as you do an assault rifle...thats pretty obvious.

The stock ones maybe but the MP7 and P90 pwn all at CQC.

{uscm}Jyden wrote:

SMG's kicks ass,i pick them over assualt rifles and carbines,
MP5,MP7 and the P90 all great guns,i feel like i am playing cs all over again when using them.

then your a total dumb fuck cause ill own u and your jelly bean shooting MP5

Last edited by [n00b]Tyler (2006-09-24 09:43:37)

MP7 is more like a shotgun than a SMG. It just doesn't have the range or accuracy, but the rate of fire tears it up at close range. I'm still confused why this gun has single shot because the accuracy is terrible and it takes too many hits to kill.

JaMrulezass wrote:

iNeedUrFace4Soup wrote:

SMGs rule.

u r retareded

It's true. I iz toadally retareded.

Most of them suck, the PP19 is okay since it has a large clip. I have not unlocked the P90 yet, I'll have it by next week.

FrankieSpankie3388 wrote:

I hate people who say things suck. Nothing sucks, you just suck with them

Bullshit. The SMGs are worse than pistols at anything but close combat, and in that situation, the shotguns are superior. SMGs have no use.

You just have to learn how to use the guns, and don't be stupid, which you probably all are (referring to everybody who hates SMGs.)

No amount of learning is going to change the fact that they're worse than the pistol/shotgun combo. They're worse. That's it. I can't magically learn how to make a Vodnik faster than a DPV, and I don't try, because it's impossible.

In fact, I was playing Sharqui earlier this week and went 11-0 just with the P90, until I ended up dieing being forced to use just the pistol since I lost all my ammo.

What the hell is that supposed to prove? All it shows was that either you got very lucky or your opponents were considerably worse than you. You having a good round with the P90 doesn't make it a good gun.

I never use DAO-12 except for in the palace at Warlord, even then I'll still mostly use the P90.

You've played SF for over 25 hours and you still haven't realised you can't use the P90 there!?

Snake wrote:

That is almost as good as my ratio with assault rifles, so quite frankly - the starter of this thread, just plain sucks with them.

Or, you just suck with assault rifles.

Learn how to use them, the P90 will beat any assault rifle in close combat and can often outgun them at short - medium range.

How? An AK takes less time to kill someone. The P90 fires faster, but the only reason people miss in CC is due to them not pointing at the enemy, and in that case, a high ROF won't help.

How are they so fantastic? Just give me one valid reason.

Its not the weapon thats bad - it is simply the user. You cannot use an SMG in the same manner as you do an assault rifle...thats pretty obvious.

If the DAO/pistol combination is always better, then yes, the weapon is indeed bad. And, in all my time, I haven't heard of or seen one situation where the SMG is not.

k30dxedle wrote:

SMGs > you. You can't use them in the same manner as, say, a G36E or M249. Sub-machineguns are unique. If you rush up and go "WHEEE BAM BAM BAM OMGPWNAGE LOLS" like you do with a G36E...you're gonna get owned. Hard. And you will continue to die as long as you do that. If you use them in the right way, they - are - devastating. Has anyone here read the book "Who Moved My Cheese"? It's a lot like that.

No, I want an argument. When you present your point of view, you give an argument to back it up. You don't just state that it's fantastic and then pretend your point is made. A post like that serves absolutely no purpose.